REFLECTIVE SCALES NEEDS NERF

Goldie

Spells & Ranged Attacks... May as well reflect ballista fire while we are at it! Remove melee reflect, or spells. FFS the entire EP population is a DK Vamp with bows in one hand and a Impulse spamming Destro staff in the other.

Reflecting spells and ranged, some melee, and for 6-8 seconds, is a little much.

I am surprised the entire population isn't running a DK+Vamp+Bow+Destro...

Impulse +devouring swarm +reflective scales = rinse and repeat

Snipe +Reflective Scales +Poison Arrow, poison arrow, poison arrow...

Oh, and reflecting Ultimates? Do tell...

Ackwalan

It is not just EP, but every DK in the game. It just makes sense to have reflect running until you get into melee.

Kypho

Dont nerf reflect till they didnt nerf bow.

I know it need ballance, and hope they will adjust that skill, but first the bow. At least DKs have something against lethalspam.

Roechacca

If Ya see a guy glowing red with wings just don't shoot till it wears off . It's not that big of a deal . You can still sap them with Gandalf wands while its up or melee .

Jitterbug

Increase the Magicka cost like they did on Streak.

Orchish

It doesn't reflect melee so no idea what you're on about there.

It only reflects for 4 seconds not 6-8. You have two weapon bars, if your build is all range then you have given your self a weakness. Why is it so hard for people to change bar and stop spamming your lethal arrows and crystal fragments at a guy that is quite obviously flapping his big wings?

You cannot or will not adapt therefor something needs nerfing.

SienneYviete

Goldie wrote: »

Spells & Melee... May as well reflect ballista fire while we are at it! Remove melee reflect, or spells. FFS the entire EP population is a DK Vamp with bows in one hand and a Impulse spamming Destro staff in the other.

Reflecting spells and melee, and for 6-8 seconds, is a little much.

I am surprised the entire population isn't running a DK+Vamp+Bow+Destro...

Impulse +devouring swarm +reflective scales = rinse and repeat

Snipe +Reflective Scales +Poison Arrow, poison arrow, poison arrow...

Did you really just say reflective scales reflects melee....... my god I don't even!

Tavore1138

I think the gripe is because ranged was one of the few mitigating weak spots of the whole DK tank setup so people specced some range so they could avoid the talons, whip, swarm/standard spamming at melee range. Now with a single ability they negate ranged too... And many things seem to fall into the reflection category that seem... odd.

Now if DKs could leap tall buildings in a single bound they'd really be unbalanced... Hmm...

kkravaritieb17_ESO

Scales are fine atm, if you see the cast dont use projectiles if you do you re a noob. On the other hand the lethal arrow health debuff stack needs a nerf and soon cause a lot of people get irritated by that idiocy. And this comes from a sorc/templar.

Asgari

Reflect doesn't reflect melee. (Wish it did)

Reflect is 4 seconds, not 6-8. (Wish it was)


By your post reflect clearly needs a buff as you clearly think it does more than it actually does.

Oh to all the reflect haters.. You have plenty of other options besides bows. Come up close and feel my cinder storms

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Turelus

I don't think it needs to be nerfed into the group but I do feel the skill needs some looking at and tweaks.
There should defiantly be some skills in the game which are not reflectable as well. Personally I find it silly that ultimates can be reflected, they're meant to be ultimate.

Valnas

nerf the people who kill me. buff me. lalalalala are healing debuffs patched yet

Juraigr

Turelus wrote: »

I don't think it needs to be nerfed into the group but I do feel the skill needs some looking at and tweaks.
There should defiantly be some skills in the game which are not reflectable as well. Personally I find it silly that ultimates can be reflected, they're meant to be ultimate.

Yep reflecting meteor as hilarious as it is, is kinda stupid

Sanct16

Scales has already been nerfed. It reflects neither melee damage nor does it last 6-8 seconds.

#Fixed
#CloseThread

Goldie

Orchish wrote: »

It doesn't reflect melee so no idea what you're on about there.

It only reflects for 4 seconds not 6-8. You have two weapon bars, if your build is all range then you have given your self a weakness. Why is it so hard for people to change bar and stop spamming your lethal arrows and crystal fragments at a guy that is quite obviously flapping his big wings?

You cannot or will not adapt therefor something needs nerfing.

By Melee I mean bows and destro attacks, sorry about that

Goldie

Sanct16 wrote: »

Scales has already been nerfed. It reflects neither melee damage nor does it last 6-8 seconds.

#Fixed
#CloseThread

It reflects bow shots and certain ultimates ie. meteor...

#Notfixed
#Dkloversunited

Nijjion

If Scales get nerfed, don't forget they will have to buff or create a ranged spell for DKs as they have none. Which every other class does.

Suntzu1414

The abuse of this ability has become ---widespread.


The "real"problem, if you were a DK...
Is it stops you from thinking, or learning..

All you have to do, is just spam spam spam.
No need to learn to play...

(not criticism-- when one becomes dependent on a ability...it limits ones further development)

Kill Well
ST

KBKB

Orchish wrote: »

It doesn't reflect melee so no idea what you're on about there.

It only reflects for 4 seconds not 6-8. You have two weapon bars, if your build is all range then you have given your self a weakness. Why is it so hard for people to change bar and stop spamming your lethal arrows and crystal fragments at a guy that is quite obviously flapping his big wings?

You cannot or will not adapt therefor something needs nerfing.

As a spell using sorc pretty common build I'm freaking useless against a reflect spamming DK. I shouldn't have to swap my build out or completely ignore DKs every time I come across one. Fights are awfully long stalemates where all I can do is vel curse or mages fury to not reflect back at myself pretty boring and pretty impossible scales walks over sorcs with staves.

Columba

I'd wait until lethal arrow debuff is fixed. Also, even though it lasts 4 seconds, can it be spammed faster? If so, I'd like a cool down on it.

Yusuf

I'm no DK but as long as Bows are overused like now i'm glad at least one Class can ignore that annoyance.

OtarTheMad

Reflect does not need to be nerfed. I believe every class has abilities that don't reflect.

Okay here is a notice or some information I recently remembered is effective. If you have a Templar in your group have them cast Unstable Core (Eclipse morph) on the DK. When they reflect an attack, it will be sent right back and usually by the time it's sent back to the DK their Reflect has ended.

With that said though I hope that the Reflective Scale spammers realize that DKs are a great class and if you use the other class abilities then you'll experience a whole new way of fighting for DKs and won't be seen as a caveman who can just hit one button.

TheBull

roechacca wrote: »

If Ya see a guy glowing red with wings just don't shoot till it wears off . It's not that big of a deal . You can still sap them with Gandalf wands while its up or melee .

30 seconds later? 1 minute later?

Sanct16

If noone shoots on your reflect you just waste magicka (332 Magicka per Scale cast) and run out of resources.

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Reflect does not need to be nerfed. I believe every class has abilities that don't reflect.

Okay here is a notice or some information I recently remembered is effective. If you have a Templar in your group have them cast Unstable Core (Eclipse morph) on the DK. When they reflect an attack, it will be sent right back and usually by the time it's sent back to the DK their Reflect has ended.

With that said though I hope that the Reflective Scale spammers realize that DKs are a great class and if you use the other class abilities then you'll experience a whole new way of fighting for DKs and won't be seen as a caveman who can just hit one button.

I don't think there is any DK who spams reflect. It lasts for 4 seconds and deals no damage. Why should someone spam it?
And a projectile can be reflected not more than 2 times, so it doesn't matter if their reflect is still up, use Unstable Core and everything will hit them.

Orchish

KBKB wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

It doesn't reflect melee so no idea what you're on about there.

It only reflects for 4 seconds not 6-8. You have two weapon bars, if your build is all range then you have given your self a weakness. Why is it so hard for people to change bar and stop spamming your lethal arrows and crystal fragments at a guy that is quite obviously flapping his big wings?

You cannot or will not adapt therefor something needs nerfing.

As a spell using sorc pretty common build I'm freaking useless against a reflect spamming DK. I shouldn't have to swap my build out or completely ignore DKs every time I come across one. Fights are awfully long stalemates where all I can do is vel curse or mages fury to not reflect back at myself pretty boring and pretty impossible scales walks over sorcs with staves.

There are some certain spec sorcs out there that wreck my reflect spamming DK. If you shouldn't have to swap certain skills out to counter me, why must i as a melee character swap certain skills out to counter you? I never wanted to play range, that's why i picked a DK at release as they seemed the best class for my melee character. Yet 90% Cyrodiil is range.

Why is it okay for anyone to spam lethal arrow or crystal fragments but it's not okay for me to spam reflect? You have two bars, make use of them both.

MiyaTheUnbroken

roechacca wrote: »

If Ya see a guy glowing red with wings just don't shoot till it wears off . It's not that big of a deal . You can still sap them with Gandalf wands while its up or melee .

With lag it's impossible to tell when those wings start flapping. Last night I shot someone three times immediately after he flapped (bloodlust), and all three landed. Later, after watching my mark carefully and seeing no wings at all, I shot three times and all three came back to me, and then the wings showed up.

On another note, it's pretty *** that it reflects meteor. That's not a projectile. A projectile is something that is propelled forward. A meteor is not propelled; it is pulled.

Sypher

Did you guys not see the recent patch notes?

Elder Scrolls Online Patch 1.5.7

Dragonknight (Draconic Power)

Reflective Scales: This ability no longer reflects melee abilities and only reflects projectiles. We also reduced the duration from 6-8 seconds down to 4 seconds.

Good Job OP... You got it nerfed.. Happy?!

KBKB

Orchish wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

It doesn't reflect melee so no idea what you're on about there.

It only reflects for 4 seconds not 6-8. You have two weapon bars, if your build is all range then you have given your self a weakness. Why is it so hard for people to change bar and stop spamming your lethal arrows and crystal fragments at a guy that is quite obviously flapping his big wings?

You cannot or will not adapt therefor something needs nerfing.

As a spell using sorc pretty common build I'm freaking useless against a reflect spamming DK. I shouldn't have to swap my build out or completely ignore DKs every time I come across one. Fights are awfully long stalemates where all I can do is vel curse or mages fury to not reflect back at myself pretty boring and pretty impossible scales walks over sorcs with staves.

There are some certain spec sorcs out there that wreck my reflect spamming DK. If you shouldn't have to swap certain skills out to counter me, why must i as a melee character swap certain skills out to counter you? I never wanted to play range, that's why i picked a DK at release as they seemed the best class for my melee character. Yet 90% Cyrodiil is range.

Why is it okay for anyone to spam lethal arrow or crystal fragments but it's not okay for me to spam reflect? You have two bars, make use of them both.

Please enlighten me on said builds that aren't melee? It's fair enough to roll a sorc and not want to pick up a melee weapon full stop.

When you see 1/2 DKs charging a 20 man zerg and sustaining well off mainly reflect its a sad sight.

I just don't enjoy being completely locked out of a fight with no possible in, I'm more than fine with counter-classes but at least make it a fight?

cast crushing shock relfect, cast shards reflect, cast vel curse wait 4 seconds for 500 damage, cast mage fury do 200dmg prior to execute, light/heavy destro staff attack reflect. The only things that don't get sent back at you from class skills; Tier 1 pet summon, Vel curse, Mages fury, Daedric mines. What do you suggest death of 1000 cuts in a consta caltropped area? its unrealistic and unfair.

my second bar consists of streak (lol block) immovable and heals/purge.

Pretty common build that you can be in a fight with a scale spamming DK (let's face it thats 90% of you) a not get one hit off due to reflect.

TheBull

Sanct16 wrote: »

Reflect does not need to be nerfed. I believe every class has abilities that don't reflect.

Okay here is a notice or some information I recently remembered is effective. If you have a Templar in your group have them cast Unstable Core (Eclipse morph) on the DK. When they reflect an attack, it will be sent right back and usually by the time it's sent back to the DK their Reflect has ended.

With that said though I hope that the Reflective Scale spammers realize that DKs are a great class and if you use the other class abilities then you'll experience a whole new way of fighting for DKs and won't be seen as a caveman who can just hit one button.

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I don't think there is any DK who spams reflect. It lasts for 4 seconds and deals no damage. Why should someone spam it?
And a projectile can be reflected not more than 2 times, so it doesn't matter if their reflect is still up, use Unstable Core and everything will hit them.

let's see 2600 Magicka pool, 2600 + 100 magicka every 2 seconds which gives another 1600 magicka over 32 seconds.

With no warlock or sybian you are looking at 50 seconds of constant reflect of all projectiles.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

Did you guys not see the recent patch notes?

Elder Scrolls Online Patch 1.5.7

Dragonknight (Draconic Power)

Reflective Scales: This ability no longer reflects melee abilities and only reflects projectiles. We also reduced the duration from 6-8 seconds down to 4 seconds.

Good Job OP... You got it nerfed.. Happy?!

Wait, they put that in 1.0's patch notes too! This wouldn't be the first time this has happened. . .

KBKB

TheBull wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Reflect does not need to be nerfed. I believe every class has abilities that don't reflect.

Okay here is a notice or some information I recently remembered is effective. If you have a Templar in your group have them cast Unstable Core (Eclipse morph) on the DK. When they reflect an attack, it will be sent right back and usually by the time it's sent back to the DK their Reflect has ended.

With that said though I hope that the Reflective Scale spammers realize that DKs are a great class and if you use the other class abilities then you'll experience a whole new way of fighting for DKs and won't be seen as a caveman who can just hit one button.

I don't think there is any DK who spams reflect. It lasts for 4 seconds and deals no damage. Why should someone spam it?
And a projectile can be reflected not more than 2 times, so it doesn't matter if their reflect is still up, use Unstable Core and everything will hit them.
let's see 2600 Magicka pool, 2600 + 100 magicka every 2 seconds which gives another 1600 magicka over 32 seconds.

With no warlock or sybian you are looking at 50 seconds of constant reflect of all projectiles.

Immovable, scales, kiting and resto staff.