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Is there a dominant class in PvP?
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Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.
Obviously DK survivability sucks. You have no way to escape, so you are trapped in combat and when facing several enemies you will probably die and have to run all the way back to the fight again.Insurrektion wrote: »Dk is dominant, I don't even get how the debate continues. It has the most survivability, it's aoe dps is 2nd to none, it's single target dps seems to be trumped only by ambushing nightblades, and the only thing it can't do is ranged damage and it has no gap closer. No problem with shield charge out of 1h/s or critical rush out of 2h.
This game needs dk survival skills slightly nerfed and sorcerer survival skills and aoe dmg skills buffed. I think, then, it will be balanced.
As sorc you can just blink away in tricky situations.
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DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
Obviously DK survivability sucks. You have no way to escape, so you are trapped in combat and when facing several enemies you will probably die and have to run all the way back to the fight again.Insurrektion wrote: »Dk is dominant, I don't even get how the debate continues. It has the most survivability, it's aoe dps is 2nd to none, it's single target dps seems to be trumped only by ambushing nightblades, and the only thing it can't do is ranged damage and it has no gap closer. No problem with shield charge out of 1h/s or critical rush out of 2h.
This game needs dk survival skills slightly nerfed and sorcerer survival skills and aoe dmg skills buffed. I think, then, it will be balanced.
As sorc you can just blink away in tricky situations.
So much wrong with both these comments, yeah DK's can't escape, that's not their archetypical role, yeah sorcs can BE out because we can't stand in melee without getting murked. It's why their are classes in the first placeDez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
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Insurrektion✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
Obviously DK survivability sucks. You have no way to escape, so you are trapped in combat and when facing several enemies you will probably die and have to run all the way back to the fight again.Insurrektion wrote: »Dk is dominant, I don't even get how the debate continues. It has the most survivability, it's aoe dps is 2nd to none, it's single target dps seems to be trumped only by ambushing nightblades, and the only thing it can't do is ranged damage and it has no gap closer. No problem with shield charge out of 1h/s or critical rush out of 2h.
This game needs dk survival skills slightly nerfed and sorcerer survival skills and aoe dmg skills buffed. I think, then, it will be balanced.
As sorc you can just blink away in tricky situations.
Sorc blink away with the increased cast cost of your teleport? Plus, DKs don't need to run away. escape =/= survivability, escape == cowardice. flapflap+DB=survivablity1 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPThe % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
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JackDaniell✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templar is the dominant class in PvPWhere is the Templar love??? We all know that we are the kings of PvPEbonheart Templar
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lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPWhile I agree that DK's are dominant, I do not really think they should be nerfed. Their survivability is very good but, but their damage is not impressive, especially in the scales 1h/shield build when they are not engaged.
I'd rather people just ignored and evaded defensive DK's entirely (if they can) on the battlefield. Someone on Thornblade EU once said - "what are they going to do? Tank you?", and I fully agree. Ignore them and they really are no problem at all
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPNo thanks that logic doesnt work for me. Ignore DK's, ok what happens when they are standing on your keeps flag?
Every1 keeps slating reflective scales. That doesnt bother me at all, I think dk's need mitigation from range attacks.
However,
Talons need to be looked at. There is no way you should have to break free from them multiple times when other cc's have immunity timer.
Green Dragon Blood - Just lol..........
ZOS: "GDB yea fine - lets nerf sneak! why? duno our DK based PTS Team said so.... doh k"2 -
Nijjion✭✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Oh, I know exactly how to deal with them, that's not at all the point I'm trying to make. My point is rather - how much do I have to invest into being able to kill a DK effectively, compared to all other classes? And that cost seems to be out of proportion. From my perspective, it's really a drag that in order to match with a DK in the most boring type of fight, I'd have to change my skills and skillbar so much.
Yeah know that feeling, I feel like I need arena set purely for NBs and their fear.
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lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPhence the "if they can" in brackets up there. Just take out everything else before them. Keeps are a bit tricky but I guess that's where the DK tank is really supposed to shine. Enclosed space, melee range etc.0
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPhence the "if they can" in brackets up there. Just take out everything else before them. Keeps are a bit tricky but I guess that's where the DK tank is really supposed to shine. Enclosed space, melee range etc.
Ok so I have to hide from them everywhere - except in a keep when I should be a good little boy and die to them.....
Riiiiight
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lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPIt's up to you. I choose to not engage them in the open field because I'm not interested in the type of fighting they enforce and have skills that allow me to evade them easily.
It's not about player skill or DK's being OP, it's just that fighting them (at least some builds) is really boring and since they are a melee class, you can safely ignore them when you are not in enclosed spaces.
As for keeps, you rarely go in alone anyway, so the entire group should have more than enough tools to deal with them.Edited by lath on November 28, 2014 9:59AM0 -
Keron✭✭✭✭✭
✭A very well played Nightblade or Sorceror and a well played Templar are probably on par with a played Dragonknight. See what I did there? There may be counters, there may be weaknesses, there may be situations that are tailored to other builds/classes.
The reason why I feel that DK is a bit dominant is simply the "skill barrier". What I feel (which is not necessarily true, just my perception), is that from a survivability point of view, it is easier with a DK than Templar, which in turn is easier than Nightblade or Sorceror.
DK tanks (sits and eats damage), Templar heals (with shields and class heals), NB & Sorceror have to run (which requires situational awareness).
The question in initial post could be rephrased: What is the most played class in PvP? That is usually the best approximation for the dominating class question. Not because other classes don't have similar or balanced options. It's because the skill barrier is lower for that one class.
To make that absolutely clear:
If you compare very good players for all classes, there is balance.
If you compare the normal level player, the balance is not as good - DK and Templar have an advantage in regards to survivability. DK is not overpowered, but more difficult to overcome than other classes.
If you compare the masses (players doing it for fun without much effort and no will to excel, the "casual casuals", if you want), there is no balance. DK trumps all because you don't need that much skill in operating it. Those "bad player DKs" will still be destroyed by a good player of every class, but they are more probable to be victorious against all and everyone of the same skill set.
So, yeah, I certainly feel that the Dragonknight is the dominant class for PvP.
And, to type it out explicitly and clearly: I do not think that class choice says anything about the player behind the screen. I do not say that all players playing class X are skill-less scrubs.
Disclaimer: The qualification of player "skill" used above is for making a point, not meant to put a label on any forum participant who feels the label fits them to good and is pee'd off because of that.Edited by Keron on November 28, 2014 10:16AM6 -
lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPThe question in initial post could be rephrased: What is the most played class in PvP? That is usually the best approximation for the dominating class question. Not because other classes don't have similar or balanced options. It's because the skill barrier is lower for that one class.
One small thing to add though. Due to DK being a good DPS sink, an average group of average players (idealized, I know, but stick with me for a second) will have to focus their attention on the DK to put them down. So in a field situation, the DK will become a center of attention, thus leading us to a perception that they are "dominating" the pvp. So a single DK will be fighting more than one opponent.
So the "most played class" does not necessarily = "dominant". There can be less DK's in reality, but we will still see them as dominating simply because of the above.
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Kas✭✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPAll classes have their pro's and con's. I beliebe that there are builds for all classes that do not have too much difference in effectivity regarding duelling, ganking, 1VX, group play, etc tec.
However, the current "meta" seems to focus on pretty tanky builds and I think DKs just offer the biggest burst damage (especially vs many targets) while still runnign a tanky build. Sure, templars can theoretically stack BS and if played correctly, all classes can dish out lots of damage while tanking a small zerg. I just think DKs do a little more.
On top of that, having at least one DK is crucial for groups. I used to think negate was the top thing to have, but the amount of damage (and CC!) standard + talons create in a group where synergies are used properly is just insane. Lately I have a feelign that having at least one DK, who ideally takes the "lead" by initiating, is by far the most important thing when playing in groups of 3-10. More important than negate, a healer or whatever else there is.
That being said, I don't think the difference is big. Not at all. Further, I belive groups of 6+ will always want a member of each class, because every single class has abilities that are incredibly good and helpful to the group (i'm sure I'm forgetting stuff but random examples: talons + standard,breath of life + repentance, negate magic + streak / lightning flood, mass hyteria + uhmmm mass hyteria xD)@bbu - AD/EU
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Kasiir Aberion - Sorc (AR38)
Dr Kastafari - Warden (~AR31)
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvP
I understand that you have a hard time with polls. If you polled what someones favorite ice cream is it would look like this.The % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
Strawberry 30%
Chocolate 15%
Vanilla 15%
Mint 40%
How many people have strawberry as their favorite answer = 30%
How many people do not have strawberry as their favorite?
I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.Retired.
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
I understand that you have a hard time with polls. If you polled what someones favorite ice cream is it would look like this.The % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
Strawberry 30%
Chocolate 15%
Vanilla 15%
Mint 40%
How many people have strawberry as their favorite answer = 30%
How many people do not have strawberry as their favorite?
I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.
I'm fine with using your logic. The outcome is clear. Lets use your logic.
97% said not templer
96% said not NB
97% said not sorc
45% said not DK.
Tricky one to decipher i know....
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvP
I understand that you have a hard time with polls. If you polled what someones favorite ice cream is it would look like this.The % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
Strawberry 30%
Chocolate 15%
Vanilla 15%
Mint 40%
How many people have strawberry as their favorite answer = 30%
How many people do not have strawberry as their favorite?
I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.
I'm fine with using your logic. The outcome is clear. Lets use your logic.
97% said not templer
96% said not NB
97% said not sorc
45% said not DK.
Tricky one to decipher i know....
And what do you expect to do with a not poll?Retired.
Nord mDK0 -
Trottz✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP... I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.
45% including all those DKs who are used to roflstomp 1vsX casuals or those who simply refuse to play the l337 builds.
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“Show me a mortal who is not pursued, and I’ll show you a corpse. Every hunter is hunted, every mind that knows itself has stalkers. We drive and are driven. The unknown pursues the ignorant, the truth assails every scholar wise enough to know his ignorance, for that is the meaning of unknowable truths.”0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvP
I don't really understand your point here. From what I can see you are just graciously admitting that the 1vXing is due to casuals who need to L2P and those who play less than optimal builds. To that I agree.Retired.
Nord mDK1 -
Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPArmitas - you are a DK trying to cling on to your op class's ridiculous abilities admit.
With a not poll I have proved you wrong. Again.
You are the one who used the NOT poll to try and illustrate a point first.
I understand that you have a hard time with polls. If you polled what someones favorite ice cream is it would look like this.The % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
Strawberry 30%
Chocolate 15%
Vanilla 15%
Mint 40%
How many people have strawberry as their favorite answer = 30%
How many people do not have strawberry as their favorite?
I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.
SEE^^^^
Dear god.........
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Vanzen✭✭✭✭✭Insurrektion wrote: »
Obviously DK survivability sucks. You have no way to escape, so you are trapped in combat and when facing several enemies you will probably die and have to run all the way back to the fight again.Insurrektion wrote: »Dk is dominant, I don't even get how the debate continues. It has the most survivability, it's aoe dps is 2nd to none, it's single target dps seems to be trumped only by ambushing nightblades, and the only thing it can't do is ranged damage and it has no gap closer. No problem with shield charge out of 1h/s or critical rush out of 2h.
This game needs dk survival skills slightly nerfed and sorcerer survival skills and aoe dmg skills buffed. I think, then, it will be balanced.
As sorc you can just blink away in tricky situations.
Sorc blink away with the increased cast cost of your teleport? Plus, DKs don't need to run away. escape =/= survivability, escape == cowardice. flapflap+DB=survivablity
Am Dk/Stamina/Vamp... Good luck catching me with mist/manoeuver then stealth away ...
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPArmitas - you are a DK trying to cling on to your op class's ridiculous abilities admit.
With a not poll I have proved you wrong. Again.
You are the one who used the NOT poll to try and illustrate a point first.
I understand that you have a hard time with polls. If you polled what someones favorite ice cream is it would look like this.The % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.
You really dont understand do you. Probably a good thing you rolled a dk cause you'd struggle to play a different class xd
Look at it like this instead:
55% - DK OP
3% - Temp OP
4% - NB OP
3% - Sorc OP
Just take the other two options out for a moment and look at that.
Please try hide the fact that you are a DK more.
Strawberry 30%
Chocolate 15%
Vanilla 15%
Mint 40%
How many people have strawberry as their favorite answer = 30%
How many people do not have strawberry as their favorite?
I'm not going to ignore half the poll to spin things my way because I have a hard time killing DKs. 45% say not DK, spin it all you want it's still 45%.
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No it's not wrong. It's still a 10% gap between DK's and not DK's. Reversing it into a not poll doesn't change that. So what do you expect to do with a not poll?Edited by Armitas on November 28, 2014 3:08PMRetired.
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Pyatra✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPWhile I agree that DK's are dominant, I do not really think they should be nerfed. Their survivability is very good but, but their damage is not impressive, especially in the scales 1h/shield build when they are not engaged.
I'd rather people just ignored and evaded defensive DK's entirely (if they can) on the battlefield. Someone on Thornblade EU once said - "what are they going to do? Tank you?", and I fully agree. Ignore them and they really are no problem at all
No, if not threatened they are going to pop scales and then Snipe you down because you ignored them and now can't heal or you loose 1/3 your Magicka to purge. I've seen entire teams running doing this on all 3 factions. Most ranged AoEs are too week. You would have to get in and try to impulse them down or get close enough to pop a synergy but with all their DoTs it's just a death trap and I refuse to do impulse spam in pvp.Edited by Pyatra on November 28, 2014 3:50PM0 -
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✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Most will play:
Dk as a tank
Templar as a healer
NB as a stamina ganker
Sorc as ranged caster
People are complaining about Dks being hard to kill. But thats the intention of tanks. If you dont desperately try to stick to those archetypes you will see that all classes can perform well and be tanky and easily be able to do great 1vX stuff aswell.
However I think most players kinda stick to the archetypes mentioned above and in open field 1vX situations tanks last the longest. If you just reflect and heal you wont do any damage. 0 dps. Have fun trying to kill someone with that. Reflect and GDB are expensive skills so run out mana quite fast already.
Nbs can be far more tanky than Dks. Drop Veil of Blades and spam Sap Essence with siphoning attacks toggeled. You will barely take damage, get heals from Sap Essence and do damage aswell. If nearly every Nightblade would play this tank setup (which is the situation for DKs) people would be complaining about NBs instead now. For every class you can find out builds that do well in 1vX.
The problem is not that classes are not balanced. The problem is people not using the right builds for their classes in order to be competitive.
An argument many people bring up is that playing DK would be easier than playing other classes with equal success. I have no idea what makes you think that. All classes are very easy to play if you have the right build. For example NB tank has to use 2 buttons. So you are seriously telling me that playing NB is hard?
There is no definition given what "dominant" means in detail. You will see more DKs tanking groups because of what I meantioned above. Does this make DK dominant? Maybe thats the issue here... I would agree that the class you see tanking several people most often is DK so one could say that DK is the dominant class in pvp. However this does not mean, that the class itself is stronger than other classes.
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✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Apart from Sorc, Sanct. You cannot build a 1vX tank with a Sorc
You can sort-of, kinda, take on a lot of people by using crit surge then going into clouding swarm, chugging spell pots while spamming impulse. But it's not really tanking since you're invis and no-one can focus you. If you're out of ultie you gtfo or die, there's no way to tank with a destro staff and if you don't have one of those you don't have any AoE.Edited by Maulkin on November 28, 2014 5:35PMEU | PC | AD2 -
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✭Stop basing your opinions on your level of play, already.
You guys are part of the top 1% ( or 2% or 5%) players.
Believe me (as one of the 30% "normal level players" or maybe even as one of the 65% "casual casuals"), for most players there is a difference between DK and Nightblade.4 -
Jaerlach✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Most will play:
Dk as a tank
Templar as a healer
NB as a stamina ganker
Sorc as ranged caster
People are complaining about Dks being hard to kill. But thats the intention of tanks. If you dont desperately try to stick to those archetypes you will see that all classes can perform well and be tanky and easily be able to do great 1vX stuff aswell.
However I think most players kinda stick to the archetypes mentioned above and in open field 1vX situations tanks last the longest. If you just reflect and heal you wont do any damage. 0 dps. Have fun trying to kill someone with that. Reflect and GDB are expensive skills so run out mana quite fast already.
Nbs can be far more tanky than Dks. Drop Veil of Blades and spam Sap Essence with siphoning attacks toggeled. You will barely take damage, get heals from Sap Essence and do damage aswell. If nearly every Nightblade would play this tank setup (which is the situation for DKs) people would be complaining about NBs instead now. For every class you can find out builds that do well in 1vX.
The problem is not that classes are not balanced. The problem is people not using the right builds for their classes in order to be competitive.
An argument many people bring up is that playing DK would be easier than playing other classes with equal success. I have no idea what makes you think that. All classes are very easy to play if you have the right build. For example NB tank has to use 2 buttons. So you are seriously telling me that playing NB is hard?
There is no definition given what "dominant" means in detail. You will see more DKs tanking groups because of what I meantioned above. Does this make DK dominant? Maybe thats the issue here... I would agree that the class you see tanking several people most often is DK so one could say that DK is the dominant class in pvp. However this does not mean, that the class itself is stronger than other classes.
The problem people have with DKs is really light armor related, as GDB and Scales are, while powerful, much more limited for MA and HA DKs. When mixed with light armor cost reductions and high magicka return you run into uptimes that probably weren't anticipated.
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✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPMost will play:
Dk as a tank
Templar as a healer
NB as a stamina ganker
Sorc as ranged caster
People are complaining about Dks being hard to kill. But thats the intention of tanks. If you dont desperately try to stick to those archetypes you will see that all classes can perform well and be tanky and easily be able to do great 1vX stuff aswell.
However I think most players kinda stick to the archetypes mentioned above and in open field 1vX situations tanks last the longest. If you just reflect and heal you wont do any damage. 0 dps. Have fun trying to kill someone with that. Reflect and GDB are expensive skills so run out mana quite fast already.
Nbs can be far more tanky than Dks. Drop Veil of Blades and spam Sap Essence with siphoning attacks toggeled. You will barely take damage, get heals from Sap Essence and do damage aswell. If nearly every Nightblade would play this tank setup (which is the situation for DKs) people would be complaining about NBs instead now. For every class you can find out builds that do well in 1vX.
The problem is not that classes are not balanced. The problem is people not using the right builds for their classes in order to be competitive.
An argument many people bring up is that playing DK would be easier than playing other classes with equal success. I have no idea what makes you think that. All classes are very easy to play if you have the right build. For example NB tank has to use 2 buttons. So you are seriously telling me that playing NB is hard?
There is no definition given what "dominant" means in detail. You will see more DKs tanking groups because of what I meantioned above. Does this make DK dominant? Maybe thats the issue here... I would agree that the class you see tanking several people most often is DK so one could say that DK is the dominant class in pvp. However this does not mean, that the class itself is stronger than other classes.
The problem people have with DKs is really light armor related, as GDB and Scales are, while powerful, much more limited for MA and HA DKs. When mixed with light armor cost reductions and high magicka return you run into uptimes that probably weren't anticipated.
WEren't aniticipated??? It is a third of the available armor. I don't care about GDB, scales, or talons .... I just think Battle Roar passive gives them an unfair amount of sustain. Ultimates are already powerful, no need to add on extra benefit of restoring resources.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Jaerlach✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.Most will play:
Dk as a tank
Templar as a healer
NB as a stamina ganker
Sorc as ranged caster
People are complaining about Dks being hard to kill. But thats the intention of tanks. If you dont desperately try to stick to those archetypes you will see that all classes can perform well and be tanky and easily be able to do great 1vX stuff aswell.
However I think most players kinda stick to the archetypes mentioned above and in open field 1vX situations tanks last the longest. If you just reflect and heal you wont do any damage. 0 dps. Have fun trying to kill someone with that. Reflect and GDB are expensive skills so run out mana quite fast already.
Nbs can be far more tanky than Dks. Drop Veil of Blades and spam Sap Essence with siphoning attacks toggeled. You will barely take damage, get heals from Sap Essence and do damage aswell. If nearly every Nightblade would play this tank setup (which is the situation for DKs) people would be complaining about NBs instead now. For every class you can find out builds that do well in 1vX.
The problem is not that classes are not balanced. The problem is people not using the right builds for their classes in order to be competitive.
An argument many people bring up is that playing DK would be easier than playing other classes with equal success. I have no idea what makes you think that. All classes are very easy to play if you have the right build. For example NB tank has to use 2 buttons. So you are seriously telling me that playing NB is hard?
There is no definition given what "dominant" means in detail. You will see more DKs tanking groups because of what I meantioned above. Does this make DK dominant? Maybe thats the issue here... I would agree that the class you see tanking several people most often is DK so one could say that DK is the dominant class in pvp. However this does not mean, that the class itself is stronger than other classes.
The problem people have with DKs is really light armor related, as GDB and Scales are, while powerful, much more limited for MA and HA DKs. When mixed with light armor cost reductions and high magicka return you run into uptimes that probably weren't anticipated.
WEren't aniticipated??? It is a third of the available armor. I don't care about GDB, scales, or talons .... I just think Battle Roar passive gives them an unfair amount of sustain. Ultimates are already powerful, no need to add on extra benefit of restoring resources.
As someone pointed out further up, the problem with battle roar is that if it wasn't extremely good when it is functional, it'd be awful. Outside of PVP (or really, outside of PVP where bad players are feeding you ultimate and you have Rank 10 Assault), battle roar is strong but only happens once or, if you're lucky, twice in a major boss fight.
Battle roar is much more powerful in PVP because its much easier to generate ultimate very quickly in certain circumstances, and DKs are extremely powerful in those circumstances. But that comes with the mixture of several other passives, like assault tree and vampire tree, which allow battle roar to be so powerful.
Outside of those circumstances, its strong but infrequent, which is a good place for a skill to be.Jaerlach Kesepton (DK)
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