Is there a dominant class in PvP?

Lava_Croft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

It's entirely possible that you fill that quest faster because they die to easily. Moar buffs to the DKs!

Possible, but unlikely!

krim

Nightblade is the dominant class in PvP

NordJitsu wrote: »

The percentages of the poll accurately reflect the current ranking of the classes for PvP.

1. DK
2. NB
3. Templar
4. Sorc

At launch it was:

1. DK
2. Sorc
3. Templar
4. NB

With all the balance changes they've made they seem to be unwilling to look at the fundamental issues with DKs. What they should have done post launch was balance DKs down to Sorcs and brought NBs and Temps up to Sorc. Instead the buffed Templar and NB up to launch-Sorc, but not enough to match DK, and massively nerfed Sorcs.

The result is a lot of shuffling that affected everyone but DKs.

When you have a class that can make itself impervious to ranged attacks, has the best self-heal in the game, the best CC in the game, and the strongest direct damage skills, and the best passives....you have a problem.

They were warned repeatedly about the issue during the Beta. They chose to listen only to the DKs (since those are the only players who properly understand that balance is them not having to try as hard as everyone else.)

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

Tankqull

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

krim

Nightblade is the dominant class in PvP

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

Not if your holding block

Tankqull

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

krim wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

Not if your holding block

sure thx to the templar healdebuff

NordJitsu

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Guys, be serious.

Leaderboards in this game tell you nothing about class balance. The scoring system is a joke, lets not pretend likes its suddenly an accurate measure of skill.

I can run around a keep defense spamming Breathe of Life and get more AP than anyone else on the battlefield.

Kwas

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

This should say.

Dk's are good against mass melees and mass ranged. oh crap that's everything.

Lol

Indeed.

krim

Nightblade is the dominant class in PvP

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

Not if your holding block

sure thx to the templar healdebuff

Actually that goes through the block. Everyone knows what im going to say next though... Cleanse which i use like a GDB.

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

Not if your holding block

sure thx to the templar healdebuff

Because Dks dont suffer from that..........

Maulkin

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Sanct16 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

krim wrote: »

What NBs use now to be strong have been in the game since launch. Its all about how the class is being used. Magicka NBs have never been weak. DKs just have it the easiest with the YOLO builds and more variety. Where as the other classes have to build a certain way to achieve a YOLO build.

You cant knock that, DKs are the tank class right?

Its been said on here before but if you really look into it. NBs bring the most to the table in fights on both sides doing dmg, mitigating dmg, and healing.

Now ask yourself again whats the most dominant class. Its the sap tank NB who can still wield a staff on another bar for 1v1.

who is beeing crushed by range attacks in a heartbeat.

Not if your holding block

sure thx to the templar healdebuff

Because Dks dont suffer from that..........

He means Dark Flare

AltusVenifus

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Another funny way to test which is the dominant class in PvP is to see how fast you can complete the 'Kill 20 [insert class]' quests.

Ignoring the 'Kill 20 players' quest, the 'Kill 20 Dragon Knights' quest is always the one that is completed the fastest for me.

So many Dragon Knights.

Also noticed this...

Soulac

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Well u know that most NBs hide, most Templars heal a bit behind, Sorcs porting around and DKs stand there without any escape, ofc u kill more DKs.
Sorc escapes, NB try to escape and Templar, well like DKs but they're not high populated.

Well DK is rly strong in 1vX, but that's it, he is not dominant in 1v1 or something.

Gargragrond

Hmm, my op DK struggles even with one opponent. I have never really understood how one can be equal in 1v1 but OP against X. Even if one extra enemy walks in during that equal fight and just stands aside casting some healing, it will surely go bad for me. But I do admit I'm sub average player as I have read about dks jumping into keeps and easily killing 30 enemies swarming him, I wish I'll learn to do that one day..

ToRelax

Gargragrond wrote: »

Hmm, my op DK struggles even with one opponent. I have never really understood how one can be equal in 1v1 but OP against X. Even if one extra enemy walks in during that equal fight and just stands aside casting some healing, it will surely go bad for me. But I do admit I'm sub average player as I have read about dks jumping into keeps and easily killing 30 enemies swarming him, I wish I'll learn to do that one day..

Because 1vX implies that you are fighting players way under your level of skill.
And Gargragrond is tanky, the average player is not .

KBKB

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Gargragrond wrote: »

Hmm, my op DK struggles even with one opponent. I have never really understood how one can be equal in 1v1 but OP against X. Even if one extra enemy walks in during that equal fight and just stands aside casting some healing, it will surely go bad for me. But I do admit I'm sub average player as I have read about dks jumping into keeps and easily killing 30 enemies swarming him, I wish I'll learn to do that one day..

Play NA server. Place a banner and watch people run into it suiciding.

kevlarto_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

according to my kill counter stats dk's are the number one class killed by a large margin, don't know if that makes them dominant, but it sure makes then plentiful..

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

according to my kill counter stats dk's are the number one class killed by a large margin, don't know if that makes them dominant, but it sure makes then plentiful..

Dks are the easiest to kill because no way to escape.

ToRelax

Sanct16 wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

according to my kill counter stats dk's are the number one class killed by a large margin, don't know if that makes them dominant, but it sure makes then plentiful..

Dks are the easiest to kill because no way to escape.

DK snipers are the worst players I can see in Cyrodiil. They could be so powerful but almost all refuse using reflective scales... and a sniper who cant escape, yeah...

BloodStorm

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DK hands down. Dk also is one of if not the only class that can successfully make Duel wielding decent and they are in all magicka gear,,, They can open with dragon leap, burning talons , green dragon blood . and whirling blades spam while having decent stam recovery in all magicka as well. Vampire DK is amazing as well. In my opinion DKs are the most fun to level as well and if you have not made one yet I advise making one as an alt just to see how fun they are and the fact they have way more viable build options than the other classes PVE and PVP wise because of dragon blood and other abilities. I will say other classes can do well but if we are talking about the amount of skill the player needs and timing then DK comes ahead in my opinion easily.

Nicko_Lps

Yeah DK is the dominant class on pvp

And not a nightblade:

-When he has an ultimate that needs 50 ulti points/deals 800+ damage/buffs 20% ALL the next attacks for 6 sec/passively increases while slotted ulti gains.
-When he gets ulti by healing him self
-When he gets 30% more from all pots
-When he removes 4 negative effects when he dissapear or...100% crit chance...
-When he has an ulti that allows him to take 75% reduced damage and cause a very nice damage
-When he has a life stealing ultimate that deals alot of damage and stun AoE
-When he has the only NON BLOCKABLE cc in this game(so lol)
-When he has double shades to run all your stamina in 1 minute add carltrops add fear DK wont have stamina in 10 sec
-When he has the option to deal less damage and constantly refill stamina and magica
-When he has the best execute ability in this game
-When he can deal a nice damage and reduce BOTH enemy armor and resistances by 40%
-When he has a ranged dps attack that allows him to damage/heal over time and receive ultimate from heals to himself
-When he can do a nice AoE damage that HEALS him.(jesus let me think what else..)
-And finally when he does the best AoE damage in this game that: increases his weapon damage based on targets hit then dealing a GOOD AoE damage and then HEALS him and give him ultimate for both crits he did and heals he did?

Sorry about the copy paste of my post,but you sould read a bit about it nightblade whiners and tell us what better DK has against YOU and if you cant kill a DK in less than a minute u definantly are a L2P case.

Also if you see a DK trying to 1vsX go fear him once or twice keep him rooted make him hug one blazing shield and stay away from him.<--NON L2P case

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nijjion wrote: »

I like how most people are on the DK hate train still, even when most stuff has been nerfed, sometimes twice.

Reflective Scales is the only OP thing on them nowadays, but not like the other classes have anything OP like a CC that goes through block (NB fear), or a insane mobility skill, or a shield that does 300-800 damage.

so block and casters have to worry about a CC???(fear)

oh the horror, lets not forget it can be CC broke and rendered ineffective for 6-8 seconds... oh no no no, we MUST be allowed to block and cast without any worries besides someone wearing down our stamina.

lol. im sorry, but thats just how i see people that complain about fear.

Soulac

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Yeah DK is the dominant class on pvp

And not a nightblade:

-When he has an ultimate that needs 50 ulti points/deals 800+ damage/buffs 20% ALL the next attacks for 6 sec/passively increases while slotted ulti gains.
-When he gets ulti by healing him self
-When he gets 30% more from all pots
-When he removes 4 negative effects when he dissapear or...100% crit chance...
-When he has an ulti that allows him to take 75% reduced damage and cause a very nice damage
-When he has a life stealing ultimate that deals alot of damage and stun AoE
-When he has the only NON BLOCKABLE cc in this game(so lol)
-When he has double shades to run all your stamina in 1 minute add carltrops add fear DK wont have stamina in 10 sec
-When he has the option to deal less damage and constantly refill stamina and magica
-When he has the best execute ability in this game
-When he can deal a nice damage and reduce BOTH enemy armor and resistances by 40%
-When he has a ranged dps attack that allows him to damage/heal over time and receive ultimate from heals to himself
-When he can do a nice AoE damage that HEALS him.(jesus let me think what else..)
-And finally when he does the best AoE damage in this game that: increases his weapon damage based on targets hit then dealing a GOOD AoE damage and then HEALS him and give him ultimate for both crits he did and heals he did?

Sorry about the copy paste of my post,but you sould read a bit about it nightblade whiners and tell us what better DK has against YOU and if you cant kill a DK in less than a minute u definantly are a L2P case.

Also if you see a DK trying to 1vsX go fear him once or twice keep him rooted make him hug one blazing shield and stay away from him.<--NON L2P case

Sypher

KBKB wrote: »

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkpzqqog4k

KBKB

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Sypher wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkpzqqog4k

Wasn't a swipe at you, we are all aware of your skillz just seems all of our top players seem to mostly be DKs =P

Sypher

KBKB wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkpzqqog4k

Wasn't a swipe at you, we are all aware of your skillz just seems all of our top players seem to mostly be DKs =P

KBKB wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCkpzqqog4k

Wasn't a swipe at you, we are all aware of your skillz just seems all of our top players seem to mostly be DKs =P

Oh I know lol, I just really wanted to link that song xD

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

KBKB wrote: »

I wonder how many "awesomely leet" DKs we will have when they are bought onto level ground.

PS /necro

It will be VERY interesting to see what DKs do when they are brought down to equal ground with the rest of us....

heck some of them may actually enjoy having to change builds; im sure block and spamming flame whip and talons gets old eventually

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Yeah DK is the dominant class on pvp

And not a nightblade:

-When he has an ultimate that needs 50 ulti points/deals 800+ damage/buffs 20% ALL the next attacks for 6 sec/passively increases while slotted ulti gains.
-When he gets ulti by healing him self
-When he gets 30% more from all pots
-When he removes 4 negative effects when he dissapear or...100% crit chance...
-When he has an ulti that allows him to take 75% reduced damage and cause a very nice damage
-When he has a life stealing ultimate that deals alot of damage and stun AoE
-When he has the only NON BLOCKABLE cc in this game(so lol)
-When he has double shades to run all your stamina in 1 minute add carltrops add fear DK wont have stamina in 10 sec
-When he has the option to deal less damage and constantly refill stamina and magica
-When he has the best execute ability in this game
-When he can deal a nice damage and reduce BOTH enemy armor and resistances by 40%
-When he has a ranged dps attack that allows him to damage/heal over time and receive ultimate from heals to himself
-When he can do a nice AoE damage that HEALS him.(jesus let me think what else..)
-And finally when he does the best AoE damage in this game that: increases his weapon damage based on targets hit then dealing a GOOD AoE damage and then HEALS him and give him ultimate for both crits he did and heals he did?

Sorry about the copy paste of my post,but you sould read a bit about it nightblade whiners and tell us what better DK has against YOU and if you cant kill a DK in less than a minute u definantly are a L2P case.

Also if you see a DK trying to 1vsX go fear him once or twice keep him rooted make him hug one blazing shield and stay away from him.<--NON L2P case

All of that looks good typed out, but you should actually test all of it in glorious battle.

I will give you the double shades, veil of blades(pretty much all the ultimates) the potions passive, fear(for now, soon the block and casters will have it made blockable by their never ending whining:() and the execute, but thats it.

The ranged HoT(i assume you mean strife, correct me if i'm wrong) only provides decent HoTs if you do a lot of damage to your enemy/ies. Thats hard to do when the majority of the playerbase blocks and casts almost everything they do, negating almost all of your damage. I myself just used it as an extra ranged ability, the HoT was never the reason.

Do not use the cloak morphs as an advantage for NBs. Cloak breaks more often than not, and im not even sure if the morphs actually work, last i heard they were bugged.

I guess i can give you siphoning strikes as well, i find it a decent ability:)

Last i checked, all classes can charge ultimate by healing.

idk what to say about NBs doing the best AOe damage in the game. I personally think that is complete nonsense, but I am not a sap essence user/spammer, so idk what its capability is.

Lava_Croft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nightblades represent! Bow down Monkey Knights!

Kromus

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

You can say it depends on the player all you want. I have never seen anyone in any other class come anywhere remotely close to having the survivability of a DK.

1 DK tanking 5-10 people all focusing on it, and the fight lasts for a solid 45 seconds - 1 minute. Any other class is dead in 5 seconds, I don't care how many blazing shields you spam.

You need to come to Cyordiil more often and see nightblades use sap essence/veil of blades and Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields.

Sorcs, on the other hand, yep just bolt away

Would you care to share which abilities you would use as melee Templar under focused fire of 3-5+ players or which abilities you would use in same situation when playing other classes? Or even in which situation you see Templars spamming BS?