Is there a dominant class in PvP?

Gargragrond

Bouvin wrote: »

I've been playing NB since last November in Beta... and recently started leveling a DK and cannot believe how much easier it is.

So.. after a full year of playing the game, you find that the early levels feel easier? How strange, I had the same feeling with my new nb, totally op.

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

"QQ. I killed myself by spamming projectiles on that DK. SO DOMINANT. Please nerf. I dont like it when I have to think about anything when fighting an enemy.NERF NERF NERF NERF. QQ

Moreover, instead of finding a way to optimize my own class, I rather keep QQing about DKs."

...

Rerolling Templar atm. So tired of this "DK is OP" *** on the forums. Any class can do good 1vX. If you can't and rather QQ about Dks, its just your own fault.

Lilarna

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Answered Dragonknight, because I feel that the big advantage for this class is that they have an answer to every tough situation they can encounter in pvp (for example reflective scales, autonomous selfheal (as opposed to siphoning), ccs, good ultis, weapon damage buff, shields, and so on and so forth).
Maybe not for every situation of course, but globally they seem to have several solutions to counter situations that other classes don't necessarily cumulate.

Sypher

No Dominant Classes.

Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)

kijima

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

No Dominant Classes.

Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)

Agreed.

Every now and then, when my bar's are more 1v1 focused and I'm up for the challenge, I'm not tired, I have no lag to speak of and on my game. Bascially no excuses. I'm on a roll, confidence is up, I've smashed a heap of people, I find a random and go to war, I get the upper hand in a fight, then the tide changes and I get schooled.

It's at that point where I can't help but think I've still got so much to learn in this game.

Domander

There is no dominant class in PvP

I'd say the game is pretty well balanced, though ignorance makes some people think it's not. It's easy to do, until you learn how to counter most everything.

I see the poll results but, I think I see less DKs now than any other class, when the game started there were more.

Poxheart

There is no dominant class in PvP

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

Another enemy of mine makes a decent suggestion.

Spangla

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Armitas wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

The % distribution of this poll would have,

Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.

However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.

I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.

Its exactly what we are doing.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

DaggerfallTradeMasters

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Spangla wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

The % distribution of this poll would have,

Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.

However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.

I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.

Its exactly what we are doing.

Hahaha LMAO

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Nijjion

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

I like how most people are on the DK hate train still, even when most stuff has been nerfed, sometimes twice.

Reflective Scales is the only OP thing on them nowadays, but not like the other classes have anything OP like a CC that goes through block (NB fear), or a insane mobility skill, or a shield that does 300-800 damage.

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Poxheart wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

Another enemy of mine makes a decent suggestion.

In a game with 5 skills per bar it wouldn't make too much sense to do this nerf imo. If you would nerf all skills like streak, you would need far too many skillslots as you couldn't spam certain abilities.

Poxheart

There is no dominant class in PvP

Sanct16 wrote: »

In a game with 5 skills per bar it wouldn't make too much sense to do this nerf imo. If you would nerf all skills like streak, you would need far too many skillslots as you couldn't spam certain abilities.

I don't think that's true at all. Sure it would force some players to alter their play style.

lath

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

From what I've experienced in pvp as a regular runner in big groups, I very rarely die to anyone but DK's or Bow users. In fact, when it comes to DK's I have to skill specifically to counter them, as opposed to every other class.

To me, this is a pretty good indicator that DK's are dominating pvp, either by sheer numbers, or by skill (or ease of playing which probably contributes to both of these).

Armitas

There is no dominant class in PvP

Spangla wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

The % distribution of this poll would have,

Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.

However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.

I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.

Its exactly what we are doing.

No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.

Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.

Columba

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

If it weren't for perma reflect and perma stun, Dks would be fine

Thechemicals

Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvP

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

So what your saying is...add a cooldown? All that bolt escape nerf did was implement something that is moving in the direction of cooldowns. Honestly,cooldowns would have made this game more stable.

asneakybanana

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Sanct16 wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

Another enemy of mine makes a decent suggestion.

In a game with 5 skills per bar it wouldn't make too much sense to do this nerf imo. If you would nerf all skills like streak, you would need far too many skillslots as you couldn't spam certain abilities.

So lets just use DK as an example and say that it takes 1 second after casting a skill to cast another one. So on your destro bar now you have lets say Inner light, reflect, dragon blood, impulse, and flame lash and on your sword and shield bar you have shield charge, inner light, talons, reflect, and purge. You probably do shield charge, talons, swap bars and then just impulse spam while keeping reflect up. thats only use 4 of your 10 skills the entire fight. With the proposed changed you could run something like dragon blood, WoE, reflect, impulse, and inhale on destro, and for SnB you could do shield charge, talons, flame lash, caltrops, and a support skill. This would make your rotation something like, caltrops, shield charge, talons, swap, reflect, ele wall, inhale, impulse, impulse. thats 7 skills and sure you would double cast impulse but with reflect, ele wall, talons, and inhale that would all b more than 4 seconds between casts therefore resetting the doubling in cost. I just use DK as an example because thats what I play and am most familiar with but im fairly certain sorcs and temps could do this as well.

Thechemicals wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

So what your saying is...add a cooldown? All that bolt escape nerf did was implement something that is moving in the direction of cooldowns. Honestly,cooldowns would have made this game more stable.

and no not quite a cooldown because you can still double cast it just becomes less and less efficient.

Zintair

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Dragon knight followed by Templar. Solely because of Flappy Flap and Battle Roar.

Edit: /Salute to Krim for picking NB. You the only one who got it haha!

Zintair

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

No Dominant Classes.

Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)

I'd say definitely yes to this, however it is MUCH easier to play a dominant DK or Temp than NB or Sorc.

Also depends on the type of PvP you prefer.

Thechemicals

Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvP

Zintair wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

No Dominant Classes.

Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)

I'd say definitely yes to this, however it is MUCH easier to play a dominant DK or Temp than NB or Sorc.

Also depends on the type of PvP you prefer.

You havent played a Sap essence siphoning NB then.... literally only need those 2 skills and everything else is optional.

ToRelax

asneakybanana wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

Another enemy of mine makes a decent suggestion.

In a game with 5 skills per bar it wouldn't make too much sense to do this nerf imo. If you would nerf all skills like streak, you would need far too many skillslots as you couldn't spam certain abilities.

So lets just use DK as an example and say that it takes 1 second after casting a skill to cast another one. So on your destro bar now you have lets say Inner light, reflect, dragon blood, impulse, and flame lash and on your sword and shield bar you have shield charge, inner light, talons, reflect, and purge. You probably do shield charge, talons, swap bars and then just impulse spam while keeping reflect up. thats only use 4 of your 10 skills the entire fight.
[...]

In other words:
Sanct, be a noob pls and accept that you are still OP while playing bad, so we can justify nerfing you .

Domander

There is no dominant class in PvP

lath wrote: »

From what I've experienced in pvp as a regular runner in big groups, I very rarely die to anyone but DK's or Bow users. In fact, when it comes to DK's I have to skill specifically to counter them, as opposed to every other class.

To me, this is a pretty good indicator that DK's are dominating pvp, either by sheer numbers, or by skill (or ease of playing which probably contributes to both of these).

or it's a good indicator that you're built for ranged damage, in big groups, most of the time. It's good to have counters to this setup in the game.

My sorc has to build differently to solo DKs well, there are sorc specs that can wreck a DK, but I usually run a ranged destro/resto build.

Tankqull

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Thechemicals wrote: »

Zintair wrote: »

Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »

No Dominant Classes.

Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)

I'd say definitely yes to this, however it is MUCH easier to play a dominant DK or Temp than NB or Sorc.

Also depends on the type of PvP you prefer.

You havent played a Sap essence siphoning NB then.... literally only need those 2 skills and everything else is optional.

and you´re dying in seconds if you face halfway decent ranged opponents.
as i´m having both classes dk´s are thx to scales ten times more effective in pvp than any other class.

k2blader

DezIsDead wrote: »

@k2blader‌ if you play solo PvP check out ezaraths (maybe spelled wrong) build, it's the basis I use for my sorc. If you find something based on a good build that works for you, you can be very competent. No your not gonna roll zergs, but you can compete with anyone. As far as group build I just run a generic resto destro high crit for ulti gain to be a good little negate monkey

Thanks Dez! Yeah Ez was cool, his vids inspired me to try sword and board for a bit. Not sure it fits my playstyle for now, but I'll likely try it again if I ever hit max level. I have had a few sorcs make me into a big banana cloud to the point where I'm like, "wow," but DKs and NBs still seem noticeably stronger right now IMO.

lath

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Domander wrote: »

or it's a good indicator that you're built for ranged damage, in big groups, most of the time. It's good to have counters to this setup in the game.

My sorc has to build differently to solo DKs well, there are sorc specs that can wreck a DK, but I usually run a ranged destro/resto build.

That's my point. While I'm able to DD and evade or mitigate damage from most classes/builds with a general build aimed at dps/survivability, I can do very little against the common DK build. In order to force the DK out of their comfort zone and take them out in the field, I need to build specifically to counter them, making me rather weak against other classes. That's what I mean when I say it's "dominating in PVP" - the cost of forcing them to play along your rules and not theirs (which to me is essentially what all PVP is about) is higher compared to other classes.

While I agree that it's good for counters to this and every other setup to exist, I'd expect counters to be proportional to the setup in terms of skill-point-and-skill-slot cost, and it's simply not the case with the DK.

My strategy so far has been to simply avoid DK's altogether, but as their numbers seem to grow, it becomes rather tiresome.

DezIsDead

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

k2blader wrote: »

DezIsDead wrote: »

@k2blader‌ if you play solo PvP check out ezaraths (maybe spelled wrong) build, it's the basis I use for my sorc. If you find something based on a good build that works for you, you can be very competent. No your not gonna roll zergs, but you can compete with anyone. As far as group build I just run a generic resto destro high crit for ulti gain to be a good little negate monkey

Thanks Dez! Yeah Ez was cool, his vids inspired me to try sword and board for a bit. Not sure it fits my playstyle for now, but I'll likely try it again if I ever hit max level. I have had a few sorcs make me into a big banana cloud to the point where I'm like, "wow," but DKs and NBs still seem noticeably stronger right now IMO.

Yeah, I didn't use his exact build but I took pieces from it. There is no doubt some of the NB builds and DK builds outweigh the best sorc builds, however I think it makes it a lot more fun to have to actually know your build and use skill instead of a generic build. Like I said at the moment no sorc build is going to 1vX people, unless your a god amongst men. But you can still be a force with the right amount of time invested into your build, and average skills. It's all about knowing your limitations, which I don't lol. I keep throwing myself into 20 plus DC hoping pugs will follow, only to find out two kills and a death recap later that not a single soul followed me.

Messy1

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Thechemicals wrote: »

asneakybanana wrote: »

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

So what your saying is...add a cooldown? All that bolt escape nerf did was implement something that is moving in the direction of cooldowns. Honestly,cooldowns would have made this game more stable.

Cool downs are not really a feature in Elder Scrolls games and for good reason. The amount of stamina health and magicka are the limiting factors on your abilities. Not having cool downs is what makes the combat so cool and good in the game. I think bolt escape is an awesome ability for sorcs and definitely gives them the edge in some cases.

Domander

There is no dominant class in PvP

lath wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

or it's a good indicator that you're built for ranged damage, in big groups, most of the time. It's good to have counters to this setup in the game.

My sorc has to build differently to solo DKs well, there are sorc specs that can wreck a DK, but I usually run a ranged destro/resto build.

That's my point. While I'm able to DD and evade or mitigate damage from most classes/builds with a general build aimed at dps/survivability, I can do very little against the common DK build. In order to force the DK out of their comfort zone and take them out in the field, I need to build specifically to counter them, making me rather weak against other classes. That's what I mean when I say it's "dominating in PVP" - the cost of forcing them to play along your rules and not theirs (which to me is essentially what all PVP is about) is higher compared to other classes.

My strategy so far has been to simply avoid DK's altogether, but as their numbers seem to grow, it becomes rather tiresome.

I used to think "dang I can't do anything against them on my sorc" but that's because I was all ranged spell projectile damage, I had the same problem against another sorc running ball of lightning.

I think it's fair that you might need a melee weapon/non projectile abilities if you want to be able to adapt to everything. DKs have to pick up a ranged weapon to kill you at range, unless they close the distance. Gap closers are 22m max.. most ranged abilities are 36m +

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Having no cooldowns is one of the reasons I enjoy this game so much.

Spangla

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Armitas wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Spangla wrote: »

The % distribution of this poll would have,

Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.

However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.

I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.

Its exactly what we are doing.

No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.

Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.

I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.

However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.