Is there a dominant class in PvP?

Lfehova

The truth of it is, each class is strong at some things depending on how you build them.

Everyone is obsessed with 1vX and DKs are by far the best at that style of gameplay.

But you forgot there's open world ganking which NB and sorcs are kings at due to their mobility and survivability. Group play where you can have 10DKs but without a sorc or Templar you are f'ed.

The game is balanced and every class has their role that they are best suited for. If you want to 1vX or tank 30 people and you didn't roll a DK or NB, then too bad. Reroll or change your play style.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Thechemicals

Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvP

Joy_Division wrote: »

I amazed after more than 6 months people haven't figured out how to kill let alone handle a DK.

I just avoid shield Dks.....most boring fight ever.

Insurrektion

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

"A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers."

DK's are amazing at everything and have no weaknesses except for the fact they have no gap closer, which is immediately not a problem if they use 1h/s or 2h.

Maulkin

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Insurrektion wrote: »

"A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers."

DK's are amazing at everything and have no weaknesses except for the fact they have no gap closer, which is immediately not a problem if they use 1h/s or 2h.

Except mobility and escapes, you forgot that quite conveniently. And don't tell me it's not that important. My solo-play killstreak record on my Sorc is 4x that of my DK, because if poop hits the fan Bolt Escape.

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

If you think DKs are so awesome reroll as DK.

Poxheart

There is no dominant class in PvP

Armitas wrote: »

There are no dominant classes, just dominant players.

Quoted for truth.

Pixysticks

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

elausche_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Insurrektion wrote: »

"A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers."

DK's are amazing at everything and have no weaknesses except for the fact they have no gap closer, which is immediately not a problem if they use 1h/s or 2h.

Except mobility and escapes, you forgot that quite conveniently. And don't tell me it's not that important. My solo-play killstreak record on my Sorc is 4x that of my DK, because if poop hits the fan Bolt Escape.

So your DK cannot use Retreating Maneuvers or Elusive Mist? If you want to be able to escape, those two combined work pretty well for all classes. I actually prefer them as my means of escape for my Nightblade, because Dark Cloak lasts 2.9 seconds on the rare occasion it doesn't get instantly broke.

Lfehova

Retreating manuevers costs 700-800 stamina?
Mistform costs 350 magicka?

Just rough guesses since I'm not at my computer but I hardly think that's the same as bolt escape or cloak.

Templars have the same escapability issues too.

Just to clarify though, I'm not complaining. DKs and Templars need their weaknesses and escapability is one of our big ones.

Edit: oh and if I turn to fight for a little bit or I have an offensive dot ticking, I lose manuevers and have to recast it for a cheap 700 stamina again

Maulkin

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

elausche_ESO wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Insurrektion wrote: »

"A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers."

DK's are amazing at everything and have no weaknesses except for the fact they have no gap closer, which is immediately not a problem if they use 1h/s or 2h.

Except mobility and escapes, you forgot that quite conveniently. And don't tell me it's not that important. My solo-play killstreak record on my Sorc is 4x that of my DK, because if poop hits the fan Bolt Escape.

So your DK cannot use Retreating Maneuvers or Elusive Mist? If you want to be able to escape, those two combined work pretty well for all classes. I actually prefer them as my means of escape for my Nightblade, because Dark Cloak lasts 2.9 seconds on the rare occasion it doesn't get instantly broke.

Lol.

You didn't just compare Bolt Escape to RM + Mistform did you? Ok, I'll return the stupid suggestion then. Can your NB not grab Defensive Posture and Healing Ward and get reflects and heals like my DK? He can? Great, well then he can do all my DK can do so we're good here.

I actually use both (Ward and Posture) on my Sorc they do work to an extend, but I'm not going round telling people they're as good as GDB and Scales. You suggest putting 2 skills on my bar to do the job of one, with one of them costing a bomb on stamina and the other requiring you to be a vamp, and you consider that par with BE. Nice

My point is, my DK can tank for a while, while my Sorc can buzz around and kill way way more people. Each one has an element of combat they excel in.

ToRelax

Bramir wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Situational, but this:

DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

is nonsense.

Sorcs are overall weakest class atm but that would mostly mean equally skilled sorc vs DK/NB -> DK/NB wins (sorc is not bad vs temp), or you won't see many sorcs doing "1vX" . Sorcs have no working heal and stamina problems, have to use streak a lot to be at least mobile. /edit : As I wrote NB lacks in aoe - that is compared to templar and especially DK, sap essence is till much better than all the sorcerer's aoe damage.

NB are strongest class in dueling atm imo and sure they are "good" gankers but they lack in aoe. They have no direct heal and no class shield but the (although broken) cloak and the life drain skills still give them good sustain (not speaking about "gank builds" or similar things some "PvPers" expect to be OP...).

Templar is very good as a stamina build now and crucial in group PvP due to their direct burst heal. Blazing shield gives both aoe and extra sustain and if you dont watch your stamina closely they will stunlock you with Aedric Spear skills.

DK had indeed strong aoe damage and CC and high sustain yet lack in their mobility. A good DK is close to unbeatable, allowing them to survive a long time within an enemy zerg (noobs, not zergballs who at least no what *** they fabricate) and eventually kill some noobs who will then cry in /zone /guild and forum... wings are usually crucial in this.

Sorcerers may be falling behind in dps (I had to switch to OP snipe spam because I don't have another good option), but I do not feel weak as a healer. Sorcerers do not have a direct heal as a class skill, but the magicka bonuses/reductions make heavy armor healing builds viable. The mobility from streak should not be underestimated, as it not only provides distance, but the direction you went is not always obvious. That said, aren't sorcerers supposed to be nuking people?

Mh, sorcs are with Bolt Escape indeed the most mobile class usually (though i think NB with medium armor and bow is even more mobile than a sorc with robes and staff - just not the strongest NB then, so sorc isnt that bad in comparison again).
That does not make a sorc dominant though. And about the heal, sorcs can heal very nicely with resto staff and surge, but they still lack a direct burst heal so compared to a templar healer (who can also use resto skills in addition to their class heals) they just suck.

About the damage: Sorcs have still no direct damage class skill. And if u use destro staff for crushing shock, that is reflectable. Dual wield does not work out because you have no charge. One-Hand/Shield does not give much damage, trying to do "enough" will end in severe stamina problems soon as you can't manage your stamina with class skills. Bow is reflectable (besides I refuse using that snipe *** now anyway on my sorc). So 2-Hand is left. Good damage, it can work out, critical surge has the synergy with critical charge as well. The hot can give you extra heal. But: 2-Hand needs a lot of stamina, and the sorc class skills like critical surge or even streak will have rediculous high costs if you decide going for medium armor. As a dueling build it can work (especially as the bash interrupt is currently bugged). But in the end your sustain gets lowered dramatically with your max magicka/magicka regen/cost in the case of med. armor ...
In the end you may want to go for all light armor and staff or just class skills and maybe reflect from one hand/shield. With staff skills you won't kill a DK, a NB has more (direct - concealed weapon, ambush) damage and heal even with funnel health or soul tether, a templar is your best target since he can not do that much about your damage other than shield and heal - yet that he will spam and try to get down your stamina to kill you.
In most cases you will rely on burst damage created by velocious curse, crystal fragments, eventually mage's fury and other skills dependant on the situation and the weapon you are using. That does indeed nuke a single noob. It's not made for 1vX and to kill any enemy you need a lot of skill and maybe luck.

Now that became a half novel again... but you helped me finding a typo in my original post, so thank you for that :P .

asneakybanana

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Pixysticks wrote: »

Make reflective scales cost 50% more base magicka if you're casting it back to back like they did with streak. /fixt

I think every skill in the game should have this nerf. No more impulse spam, no more reflect spam, no more blazing shield spam, no more sap spam. would add another level of depth to builds. Would also make DKs much more OP but thats beside the point.

Lava_Croft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Bow is the most dominant class in PvP. The red square with the text next to it is lying.

krim

Nightblade is the dominant class in PvP

Im the most dominant

DezIsDead

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

I wanted to vote sorc as a joke. Instead I put DK. I don't think they are op, just easier to use. An average PvPer can be good with a DK without knowing anything about builds and skills, but would struggle with another class. Every other class requires actual brain power and skill to be a good or great player

Edited for clarity. I am by no means saying DK's are all brainless zombies. Some of the best players are intelligent DK's. They usually have alts who they are very skilled with as well. I'm talking about the hundreds of DKs you see copying one or two DK builds and just rolling across keys with no skill, and no clue why they have certain skills on their bar.

Nivzruo_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DK is at 57% atm. Take the hint devs.

Soulac

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

*grabs popcorn*

Well DKs are rly nice in solo play or better said: against many stupid players.
Heal reduce or a good timed Stun and it's over for him.
Sorcs are.. Well everytime I see one I laugh about him. They're cute.
Templars are only annoying and not that dangerous but their heal is amazing.
And NBs are just amazing and funny to play, but hard to master. (If you look over all these stupid little NBs)

Every class can do something amazing so pls stop that *** and learn how to conter your enemy..

Erock25

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

DK is at 57% atm. Take the hint devs.

It is way worse than that. The last two options of each class can be OP in certain situations and no class is OP can be thrown out because we can assume that an equal number of players/class have picked that option. Many DKs would pick either option so their class doesn't get nerfed or they think that they do well on their DK because they are good players. Many non-DKs would pick this option as well because they do quite well themselves, but also think it is skill and/or know they could do even better with a DK. The true breakdown is 186/10/13/6 for DK/Temp/NB/Sorc.

k2blader

Erock25 wrote: »

Nivzruo_ESO wrote: »

DK is at 57% atm. Take the hint devs.

It is way worse than that. The last two options of each class can be OP in certain situations and no class is OP can be thrown out because we can assume that an equal number of players/class have picked that option. Many DKs would pick either option so their class doesn't get nerfed or they think that they do well on their DK because they are good players. Many non-DKs would pick this option as well because they do quite well themselves, but also think it is skill and/or know they could do even better with a DK. The true breakdown is 186/10/13/6 for DK/Temp/NB/Sorc.

Where did you get that breakdown from?

Also to anyone who says sorc is amazing/dominant, would you please share general gear setup, abilities, strats you use? Always looking to learn. :-)

I can only hope you're not talking about 1 trick pony nuke gear & build, knocking people off horses such that there is no fight, working with partners you haven't mentioned, OMGnegate, demolishing low levels/ranks, and/or any other such cheesiness.

DezIsDead

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

@k2blader‌ if you play solo PvP check out ezaraths (maybe spelled wrong) build, it's the basis I use for my sorc. If you find something based on a good build that works for you, you can be very competent. No your not gonna roll zergs, but you can compete with anyone. As far as group build I just run a generic resto destro high crit for ulti gain to be a good little negate monkey

Pixysticks

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Messy1 wrote: »

DKs are good against in mass melees, Nightblades are only good at ganking.

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DKs are the dominant class. i dont mean to sound rude, but anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of the state of the game. the only thing DKs are not dominant in is healing; which is held by the templars.

DKs can sustain themselves far batter than NBs and sorcerers can, WHILE putting out high DPS. templars have absolute crappy DPS right now. NBs cant sustain themselves as well as a DK due to the fact the class lacks any decent kind of consitently usuable self heal/ any kind of damage shield. and sorcerers are just getting even weaker nowadays.

DezIsDead

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Cody wrote: »

DKs are the dominant class. i dont mean to sound rude, but anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of the state of the game. the only thing DKs are not dominant in is healing; which is held by the templars.

DKs can sustain themselves far batter than NBs and sorcerers can, WHILE putting out high DPS. templars have absolute crappy DPS right now. NBs cant sustain themselves as well as a DK due to the fact the class lacks any decent kind of consitently usuable self heal/ any kind of damage shield. and sorcerers are just getting even weaker nowadays.

Mostly agree, except the Templar dps. That puncturing jab is pretty mean, but that's a no skill one button L2P move.

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DezIsDead wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

DKs are the dominant class. i dont mean to sound rude, but anyone that thinks otherwise is ignorant of the state of the game. the only thing DKs are not dominant in is healing; which is held by the templars.

DKs can sustain themselves far batter than NBs and sorcerers can, WHILE putting out high DPS. templars have absolute crappy DPS right now. NBs cant sustain themselves as well as a DK due to the fact the class lacks any decent kind of consitently usuable self heal/ any kind of damage shield. and sorcerers are just getting even weaker nowadays.

Mostly agree, except the Templar dps. That puncturing jab is pretty mean, but that's a no skill one button L2P move.

and its not even the damage that is the problem, its the perma CC thing it can do, if i hit a templar with sparks that tries that crap, they are defenseless and i tear them apart. so bitting jabs spam is not even that much of a boon for them to begin with:/

naturn

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Sanct16 wrote: »

EU Top 100 Leaderboards Thornblade:
24 DK
24 Sorc
27 NB
25 Templar


Maybe the average Dks performs a bit better than the average player of a another class. But a good player will do great with all classes. Moreover PvP isnt just all about 1vX. I admit that DKs skills may be the best for that although imo NBs and Templars can be good 1vX tanks aswell. But if you really want to be effective you need a group and thats what the game is and should be balanced for. In a group you need all classes. NBs have the best dps and veil of opness, sorcs have negates, the best ultimate by miles ingame without any doubt, Dks have Talons and Banners, Templars are the best healers and the Healing Ultimates keep you alive. You really dont want to miss out any of those.

Actually top leaders has little to do with class especially individual skills because the top players work in tight formation groups. The highest leaders get their rankings because the groups they lead or run with get the most ap. That ap gain is from strategy mostly, not individual combat. Also the leaders spend a lot more time in pvp to get higher scores.

kijima

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Pixysticks wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

DKs are good against in mass melees, Nightblades are only good at ganking.

Is this what you get when you cross Steve Buscemi with Children of the Corn.

Kinda Creepy.

DezIsDead

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

True, but I'm generally not a fan of the eso strategy of every class being able to do everything. To me a Templar is a healer, a DK is a tank/dps, NB is dps/cc, sorc is burst dps/maybe off heals/cc. That's how I expect MMO's to be but they want to keep all the single player types, and keep the free to play how you want mantra. Which complicates the hell out of the game. Idk I'm getting off topic now but just my .02, this is what makes the game such a cluster ****

Edit: by no means is this a bad thing, it's what the elder scrolls is known for, however it creates the problem of "my ______can't dps as good as ______." Or "_____ can't heal as well as _____".

Bouvin

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

And as more and more people figure this out, more and more roll DKs.

I've been playing NB since last November in Beta... and recently started leveling a DK and cannot believe how much easier it is.

RensDG

Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvP

I must be a DK noob. My main is a DK and also my first character above level 10!
...still not v14.. but atleast im v9 after months! Anyway im a stanima melee DK.

I have it much easyer beeing a long ranged Bow nightblade. PvE (solo) and PvP (in groups)

Davadin

Sorcerer is the dominant class in PvP

Sorc is OP. Coz they can... zoom out in a flash, then nuke someone from a far....


>__>