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Is there a dominant class in PvP?
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Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is no dominant class in PvPThe % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
What? like nerfing a certain class repeatedly over the last year? Balance is something ZOS has done pretty well, and I certainly hope they wouldn't do anything because of a poll that has less than 400 votes. It's funny, I used to see a lot of sorcs, then templars, I have always seen lots of nightblades, dks have always seemed to be a good ratio. I guess people probably have different meanings for the word dominant.
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lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPI used to think "dang I can't do anything against them on my sorc" but that's because I was all ranged spell projectile damage, I had the same problem against another sorc running ball of lightning.
I think it's fair that you might need a melee weapon/non projectile abilities if you want to be able to adapt to everything. DKs have to pick up a ranged weapon to kill you at range, unless they close the distance. Gap closers are 22m max.. most ranged abilities are 36m +
Oh, I know exactly how to deal with them, that's not at all the point I'm trying to make. My point is rather - how much do I have to invest into being able to kill a DK effectively, compared to all other classes? And that cost seems to be out of proportion. From my perspective, it's really a drag that in order to match with a DK in the most boring type of fight, I'd have to change my skills and skillbar so much.0 -
Domander✭✭✭✭✭
✭There is no dominant class in PvPI used to think "dang I can't do anything against them on my sorc" but that's because I was all ranged spell projectile damage, I had the same problem against another sorc running ball of lightning.
I think it's fair that you might need a melee weapon/non projectile abilities if you want to be able to adapt to everything. DKs have to pick up a ranged weapon to kill you at range, unless they close the distance. Gap closers are 22m max.. most ranged abilities are 36m +
Oh, I know exactly how to deal with them, that's not at all the point I'm trying to make. My point is rather - how much do I have to invest into being able to kill a DK effectively, compared to all other classes? And that cost seems to be out of proportion. From my perspective, it's really a drag that in order to match with a DK in the most boring type of fight, I'd have to change my skills and skillbar so much.
That's like a dragon knight complaining that they can't hit someone because they're up on a wall or hill, or because a sorc keeps teleporting and staying out of gap closing range, or because someone is standing in the middle of a zerg. The dragon knight might find it annoying to have to equip a different weapon for that type of situation. (which you can't do, unlike skills, in combat) That's something they accept though because they chose not to have a ranged weapon.
Edited by Domander on November 27, 2014 11:10AM0 -
ToRelax✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭or it's a good indicator that you're built for ranged damage, in big groups, most of the time. It's good to have counters to this setup in the game.
My sorc has to build differently to solo DKs well, there are sorc specs that can wreck a DK, but I usually run a ranged destro/resto build.
That's my point. While I'm able to DD and evade or mitigate damage from most classes/builds with a general build aimed at dps/survivability, I can do very little against the common DK build.
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I think a "regular" sorc one-hand/shield build can du well enough vs a DK with one-hand/shield. I do agree that atm the DK is stronger as he can place stronger dots, do more direct damage, manage his stamina better, but if the sorc is the better player he will still win most likely (if the fight ends at all).
If you go with a destro sorc against a destro DK your chances aren't that bad as well, since he can't do as much pressure as long as you stay at range.
If you, however, go for example with destro/resto as a sorc against a shield/resto DK, you will need a special build for this.
That does not tell me that DKs are (very) OP, if anything, it would be one-hand/shield. Though even than just nerfing that wouldn't help much since it's also a way to counter the DK with it's reflect.
PS: Giving a sorcerer no other/better option than reflecting his own spells with a wooden shield is just stupid.Thechemicals wrote: »Sypherpkub17_ESO wrote: »No Dominant Classes.
Just dominant players using dominant Builds. (Every class has at least 1-3 dominant builds associated with them)
I'd say definitely yes to this, however it is MUCH easier to play a dominant DK or Temp than NB or Sorc.
Also depends on the type of PvP you prefer.
You havent played a Sap essence siphoning NB then.... literally only need those 2 skills and everything else is optional.
and you´re dying in seconds if you face halfway decent ranged opponents.
as i´m having both classes dk´s are thx to scales ten times more effective in pvp than any other class.
You are not dying in seconds if you are a halfway decent nightblade with a shield
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lath✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPThat's like a dragon knight complaining that they can't hit someone because they're up on a wall or hill, or because a sorc keeps teleporting and staying out of gap closing range, or because they're standing in the middle of a zerg. They might find it annoying to have to equip a different weapon for that type of situation. (which you can't do, unlike skills, in combat) That's something they accept though because they chose not to have a ranged weapon.
I'm not entirely sure this is comparable, because while the DK lacks the gap closing, they can mitigate a significant chunk of ranged damage anyway with a simple and popular build (and heal the rest pretty easily).
To take on a DK, I'd have to both, keep out of range as well as deal a specific type of damage, paying attention to when their scales drop, etc. A DK needs only to close on me and spam stuff largely regardless of my class and build. I'm not saying it's easier to do this, it just seems slightly less complicated (not the same thing, mind you).
I have no interest in playing an all-rounder - a class and build excelling at everything. But it seems to me DK's have this single build that makes them excel in most situations on the battlefield. Thus leading me to believe they are dominant in PVP.3 -
Etaniel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPFurthermore, DK can transition onto sustained combat if a gank fails, whereas NB cannot.
Do some research please. Saying the nightblade cannot go into sustained combat is completely wrong. Since the beginning people say that DKs are OP, which obvisously resulted in more people playing DK because they want to be OP as well. As it's been said before, it is way easier to learn how to play a DK decently, whereas the learning curve is steeper for other classes. And pleeease don't base your arguments on bow users, because anyone using a bow, dk or not, will get wrecked in open field combat, and can't be taken seriously when it comes to anything other then ganking.
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DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
Agree times a million. I've said so many times that DK's are the "easy mode". are they OP? No but some of their abilities are. a player who knows his build and class can still beat most DK's. Sure a well played DK vs a well played NB will result in the DK winning the majority of the time, but it doesn't make the class OP.Furthermore, DK can transition onto sustained combat if a gank fails, whereas NB cannot.
Do some research please. Saying the nightblade cannot go into sustained combat is completely wrong. Since the beginning people say that DKs are OP, which obvisously resulted in more people playing DK because they want to be OP as well. As it's been said before, it is way easier to learn how to play a DK decently, whereas the learning curve is steeper for other classes. And pleeease don't base your arguments on bow users, because anyone using a bow, dk or not, will get wrecked in open field combat, and can't be taken seriously when it comes to anything other then ganking.
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPThe % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.Edited by Armitas on November 27, 2014 11:46AMRetired.
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.@k2blader if you play solo PvP check out ezaraths (maybe spelled wrong) build, it's the basis I use for my sorc. If you find something based on a good build that works for you, you can be very competent. No your not gonna roll zergs, but you can compete with anyone. As far as group build I just run a generic resto destro high crit for ulti gain to be a good little negate monkey
Thanks Dez! Yeah Ez was cool, his vids inspired me to try sword and board for a bit. Not sure it fits my playstyle for now, but I'll likely try it again if I ever hit max level. I have had a few sorcs make me into a big banana cloud to the point where I'm like, "wow," but DKs and NBs still seem noticeably stronger right now IMO.
Just for the record, from someone who was a fan of Ez and his playstyle...
Ez went half-way into the S&B build with his sorc. He didn't use any S&B skills and didn't even have it on the main bar. He had it on his off bar for an extra 5-piece set that would reduce his cost of the most expensive spells (shields and BoL).
That's very different from the version of the S&B Sorc that is currently very very popular, at least in the EU. This version uses S&B on the main, offensive bar and Defensive Stance to mitigate some of the ranged damage. It relies on sustain rather than burst, which actually works better since 1.5 because the Sorc's damage has been reduced by over 20% and the sustain via shield stacking has been considerably nerfed too. So Sorc builds relying on burst damage and shields took a big big hit.
Overall I agree with your last statement and the duelling/theorycrafting community in EU seems to share the same sentiment, that Sorcs are now trailing behind DKs and NBs in damage, sustain & survivability (aside from Bolt Escaping the feck away from any intense combat).
Before 1.5, I could beat DKs with my Sorc that were below my level. Now, I struggle to beat ordinary level DKs and while on my DK I can beat Sorcs well above my level. That's not because DKs are OP imho, because not much has changed for them since last patch, it's because Sorcs took a big indirect hit from nerfs/fixes/changes to shield stacking, sharpened and cycle of life.Edited by Maulkin on November 27, 2014 11:44AMEU | PC | AD2 -
DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »@k2blader if you play solo PvP check out ezaraths (maybe spelled wrong) build, it's the basis I use for my sorc. If you find something based on a good build that works for you, you can be very competent. No your not gonna roll zergs, but you can compete with anyone. As far as group build I just run a generic resto destro high crit for ulti gain to be a good little negate monkey
Thanks Dez! Yeah Ez was cool, his vids inspired me to try sword and board for a bit. Not sure it fits my playstyle for now, but I'll likely try it again if I ever hit max level. I have had a few sorcs make me into a big banana cloud to the point where I'm like, "wow," but DKs and NBs still seem noticeably stronger right now IMO.
Just for the record, from someone who was a fan of Ez and his playstyle...
Ez went half-way into the S&B build with his sorc. He didn't use any S&B skills and didn't even have it on the main bar. He had it on his off bar for an extra 5-piece set that would reduce his cost of the most expensive spells (shields and BoL).
That's very different from the version of the S&B Sorc that is currently very very popular, at least in the EU. This version uses S&B on the main, offensive bar and Defensive Stance to mitigate some of the ranged damage. It relies on sustain rather than burst, which actually works better since 1.5 because the Sorcs burst damage has been reduced by some 20% and the shield stacking has been considerably nerfed too. So Sorc builds relying on burst damage and shields took a big big hit.
Overall I agree with your last statement and the duelling/theorycrafting community in EU seems to share the same sentiment, that Sorcs are now trailing behind DKs and NBs in damage, sustain & survivability (aside from Bolt Escaping the feck away from any intense combat).
Before 1.5, I could beat DKs with my Sorc that were below my level. Now I struggle to beat ordinary level DKs and while on my DK I can beat Sorcs well above my level. That's not because DKs are OP imho, because not much has changed for them since last patch, it's because Sorcs took a big indirect hit from nerfs/fixes/changes to shield stacking, sharpened and cycle of life.
Agree sorc damage is quite rough atm, I use s/b main bar with shielded assault to close the gap and class skills, resto bar with mutagen, the sorc shield (forget the dang name) annulment and immovable. It fairs alright for survivabilty but as far as damage I have to rely on my ultimate or hope they are below 30% health and I get the instant vaporize on them. It works for me, however I am not doing poop for damage. But I can usually take anywhere from 4.5k to 5.5k damage before I am dead. That's without popping a tripot to survive even longer. So it's meh.
Edit: if your play style is kiting this works well, I use this build to charge into groups deal a little damage and then pull them to a large group that can actually dps them into the ground.Edited by DezIsDead on November 27, 2014 12:20PMDez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
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Rhavein✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.There are no dominant classes, just dominant players.
Agree. I also believe some of classes are suited for specific jobs. Due to dps output and/or skills. But it is not certain boundaries as we know from holy trinity games. So, that's why some classes seem op or underpowered. Just because of this i think. When you go deeped into class mechanics, you can fight well almost against everyone. You can compete against any class, everyone has their weakness.Gaehr
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Spangla✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPThe % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvPThe % distribution of this poll would have,
Elected a President of the US
Taken Scotland out of United Kingdom.
Is nearly double the winning margin of the British election in 2009
In fact is higher than any margin any British party has been elected with in over 100 years.
Was higher than the deciding yes vote in the houses of parliament that took Britain to war in Iraq.
However ZOS still ignores the clear fact that DK's are massively PVP dominant.
I don't think we are electing who is the dominant class in PvP.
Its exactly what we are doing.
No this is an opinion poll, not an election. Do you think there is some sort of official office waiting to be filled? There is not, as this is an opinion poll.
Election - the selection of a person or persons for office by vote. (dictionary.com) There, now you know.
I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Why should I appreciate a false comparison? Clear outcome? it's 55% DK 45% not DK. Thats a 10% gap, and that could easily cover the uninformed unprepared crowd. It's been dropping ever since it was moved to the pvp forums which says a lot. On top of that, dominant was never even clearly defined making the thoughts behind the tally inscrutable.
Its 55%
the remaining 45% are spread between 5 options lol.
Try hide more the fact that you are a dk
And all of those options are "not DK". If they thought DK's were dominant they would have voted DK, they did not vote DK because they did not believe DKs were dominant. Hence all of those options are a "not DK dominance" vote.Edited by Armitas on November 27, 2014 1:41PMRetired.
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Sanct16✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.
So what would be an apropiate nerf for DKs in your opinion?I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Game design is very complex and just because many people on the forum screams for nerfs doesn't mean something is really OP and has to be adjusted.- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
So what would be an apropiate nerf for DKs in your opinion?I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Game design is very complex and just because many people on the forum screams for nerfs doesn't mean something is really OP and has to be adjusted.
I know this isn't directed at me, but I figured I'd throw my .02 in here. I don't think DKs need a nerf, I think if reflective scales had an increasing cost the same way sorc BE does, that would solve a lot of the caster/range angst against them. Atm DK's just spam reflective over and over, and all you can do is close the gap if your a melee guy, resto heavy them or if your me, mages wrath them for like 150 damage lol.
Edit: what I'm trying to say is their are some builds that use no resto staff, but their a range build. Idk why you would use that, but for the sake of the debate let's say their are. To get this even playing field everyone thinks their must be, you have to make it every ranged build can defeat that reflective skill spammer. And adjustment like the one I recommended would create the possibility to kite him until he depleted his resources, or realized he was wasting his resources so doesn't engage the scales creating an opportunity. I know this can already be achieved but ya know, fairness and blah blah blahEdited by DezIsDead on November 27, 2014 2:31PMDez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
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tplink3r1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPDK > Sorc > NB/tempVR16 Templar
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Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP12 votes into "Templar is the most dominant class in PvP"
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.DK > Sorc > NB/temp
If you think NBs are at the bottom you have not been paying attention at what's been happening in PvP. Do not use the common NB archer/ganker build to pass judgement on the entire class which aside from it's broken cloak is absolutely awesome.
Templars are a bit difficult. Great healers, but bad damage dealers beyond Blazing Shield spam and Bats if they have that. Also their sustain can be a bit meh.
I do feel sorry for the NBs that rely on burst and Dark Cloak though, I must say. I knocked a guy 3 times out of cloak yesterday by firing Frags at him. Especially as he hit Cloak same time as I hit insta-Frags, my casting animation was playing at the same time as he started going invis and he was fully invis by the time the projectile started travelling. I was sure it was going to miss, but it hit him and knocked him down and out of cloak. After the 3rd time, I actually felt sorry for him.
Though I don't feel sorry at all for those S&B, Sap and Fear-spammers, those have to die on every given opportunity
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Soris✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPmike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Templars in stamina build with a 2hander is quite potent tho. Dont miss that.
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✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPWho the heck are the 12 dudes who voted sorc... and more importantly, can I buy some pot from them?3 -
DezIsDead✭✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPLol jitterbug us sorcs aren't that bad, I murk low level players and people who don't know their builds all the time. Plus we have to be included in the conversation because we do have the most OP ultimate in game. No not atronach you silly people, negate! Everyone wants to kiss our butts because we got them negates!Dez Is Dead vr16 AD Sorc
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tplink3r1✭✭✭✭✭
✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
The bow "problem" is not related to NBs, every class can use that AND be effective.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »DK > Sorc > NB/temp
If you think NBs are at the bottom you have not been paying attention at what's been happening in PvP. Do not use the common NB archer/ganker build to pass judgement on the entire class which aside from it's broken cloak is absolutely awesome.
Templars are a bit difficult. Great healers, but bad damage dealers beyond Blazing Shield spam and Bats if they have that. Also their sustain can be a bit meh.
I do feel sorry for the NBs that rely on burst and Dark Cloak though, I must say. I knocked a guy 3 times out of cloak yesterday by firing Frags at him. Especially as he hit Cloak same time as I hit insta-Frags, my casting animation was playing at the same time as he started going invis and he was fully invis by the time the projectile started travelling. I was sure it was going to miss, but it hit him and knocked him down and out of cloak. After the 3rd time, I actually felt sorry for him.
Though I don't feel sorry at all for those S&B, Sap and Fear-spammers, those have to die on every given opportunity
Edited by tplink3r1 on November 27, 2014 3:17PMVR16 Templar
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.
The bow "problem" is not related to NBs, every class can use that AND be effective.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »DK > Sorc > NB/temp
If you think NBs are at the bottom you have not been paying attention at what's been happening in PvP. Do not use the common NB archer/ganker build to pass judgement on the entire class which aside from it's broken cloak is absolutely awesome.
Templars are a bit difficult. Great healers, but bad damage dealers beyond Blazing Shield spam and Bats if they have that. Also their sustain can be a bit meh.
I do feel sorry for the NBs that rely on burst and Dark Cloak though, I must say. I knocked a guy 3 times out of cloak yesterday by firing Frags at him. Especially as he hit Cloak same time as I hit insta-Frags, my casting animation was playing at the same time as he started going invis and he was fully invis by the time the projectile started travelling. I was sure it was going to miss, but it hit him and knocked him down and out of cloak. After the 3rd time, I actually felt sorry for him.
Though I don't feel sorry at all for those S&B, Sap and Fear-spammers, those have to die on every given opportunity
That's not what I said at all. My point was there are many archers who besides their snipe spam are pretty bad once their cover is blown. And many people equate archer to NB and judge the whole class by these bad apples. The argument was that apart from its broken Cloak the class is absolutely top-notch.
To clarify, of course there are some excellent archers out there, but a lot of them are being drowned out by the masses who have rolled the fotm snipe-spamming build because it offers them higher rewards and lower risks than most other builds.EU | PC | AD2 -
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✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »
Templars in stamina build with a 2hander is quite potent tho. Dont miss that.
No not missing it at all. Jack Daniell has a thread with a good 2H Templar build too and I see some very decent ones roaming TB lately
That said 2H seems pretty much the only way to get some good damage into the Templar builds. There no high or sustainable damage built into the class and all other classes do archers better (NBs cause of stealth, Sorcs cause of Crit Surge, DKs cause of Igneous Weapons and Scales).
It is a very potent build but not very common yet and it seems from what I've seen that it requires a fair bit of skill to play well and thrive in it. The 2H, medium armor builds take A LOT of damage from archers atm, especially if they are not DKs with scales, so it's a bit harder to play them than more "established" S&B builds out there.EU | PC | AD0 -
Jaerlach✭✭✭A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.The problem people encounter is that, while the best class is situational, DKs are most effective in the situation in the situation encountered most often by most players - large masses of semi-coordinated people mashing together.
If there's any problem, its that wings + light armor cost reductions. Wings can't be kept up permanently on health and stamina build dks - its good, but uses are limited.
I would guess a lot of these issues are addressed when light armor dominance is addressed. Its LA cost reducers + heavy magicka regen allowing people to keep wings up 3x as often that makes it feel overpowered. increasing its base cost would just make non-magicka dk's unplayable.
The problem is light armor is too good all the time in this game.Jaerlach Kesepton (DK)
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✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP
even though its not directed at me my 2c would be a limit of reflected projectiles per scales aplication. sth like 3 possible relfections that wont change anything in a 1vs1 situation but in a 1vsX it would lessen the gap between dks and all other classes in regard of survivability.
So what would be an apropiate nerf for DKs in your opinion?I appreciate it is difficult for you to see the comparison I was drawing.
However, hopefully ZOS are at an intelligence level that allows them to see the clear outcome of this poll and perhaps acknowledge that something should be done about it.
Game design is very complex and just because many people on the forum screams for nerfs doesn't mean something is really OP and has to be adjusted.
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Insurrektion✭✭✭Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvPDk is dominant, I don't even get how the debate continues. It has the most survivability, it's aoe dps is 2nd to none, it's single target dps seems to be trumped only by ambushing nightblades, and the only thing it can't do is ranged damage and it has no gap closer. No problem with shield charge out of 1h/s or critical rush out of 2h.
This game needs dk survival skills slightly nerfed and sorcerer survival skills and aoe dmg skills buffed. I think, then, it will be balanced.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There is no dominant class in PvP^^ It's a debate because the issue is not as self-evident as you believe.1