Is there a dominant class in PvP?

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I don't know if they are dominant from a power standpoint, but DK's definitely seem to be population dominant. Judging only by the "kill 20 of x class" quests in Cyrodiil, it feels like I complete the DK kill quests about 5-10 times faster than the others.

You know that this quest is absolutely nowhere close to be of any relevance for how many people play DK?

Just like this poll.

True.

Lava_Croft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

I still have hopes for ZOS coming up with some nice statistics from various ESO related things. And I don't mean an infographic advertisement about how many different weapons ESO has.

morvegil

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DK's are OP and need a nerf.

riverdragon72

DK by far, in fact I'm sure there is group of devs that sit in a closet and jerk off all over each other over their DK's.

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Be happy guys, from what it looks like atm, DK willl be nerfed to oblivion with 1.6. Good job!

Nicko_Lps

morvegil wrote: »

DK's are OP and need a nerf.

As i was reading your post...Even without reading your signature i was 100% sure youre a nightblade.

A nublade maybe,cause i nightblade wouldnt even say this .

Cody

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

DK's are OP and need a nerf.

As i was reading your post...Even without reading your signature i was 100% sure youre a nightblade.

A nublade maybe,cause i nightblade wouldnt even say this .

what is a "nublade"

Francescolg

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

I think he refers to nuub + nightblade = nublade^^

RinaldoGandolphi

Just to toss this out there but if what ZOS says is true about all skills that use magic scaling off max magic, spell power, and spell crit, then DK flame lash meet Dampen Magic/ Harness magic that will render it useless against casters

This is even more of a Nerf to DK then folks thought. I'm not sure if their will be stamina versions of all skills, but that has tradeoffs too. Many parts they have talked about has left me scrathing my head...if Annulement will be capable of countering most class skills based on magic I will so lulz...i really hope they have thought about this.

Durham

There is no dominant class in PvP

As a DK I hate the way the class has progressed.. Light armer makes the DK crazy and has led to nerfs on the class that has made it very hard to wear any other armor... The DK was described as the Tanky class of the game however its been morphed into caster with a destro and shield or a bow speced reflect DK ... I hope the changes come soon this class is going to get butchered over the long haul if not.. I wanted to play a tanky heavy armor toon in PvP but that is not the case with a DK...

Sanct16

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Durham wrote: »

As a DK I hate the way the class has progressed.. Light armer makes the DK crazy and has led to nerfs on the class that has made it very hard to wear any other armor... The DK was described as the Tanky class of the game however its been morphed into caster with a destro and shield or a bow speced reflect DK ... I hope the changes come soon this class is going to get butchered over the long haul if not.. I wanted to play a tanky heavy armor toon in PvP but that is not the case with a DK...

With the right build heavy armor is very very tanky. You will have low dps tho.

Galalin

Durham wrote: »

As a DK I hate the way the class has progressed.. Light armer makes the DK crazy and has led to nerfs on the class that has made it very hard to wear any other armor... The DK was described as the Tanky class of the game however its been morphed into caster with a destro and shield or a bow speced reflect DK ... I hope the changes come soon this class is going to get butchered over the long haul if not.. I wanted to play a tanky heavy armor toon in PvP but that is not the case with a DK...

I run med armor... i like to think im pretty tanky and can still push out a some decent dps (nothing spectacular but enough to get the job done).

If you msg me in game i can go over the build with you if you would like to try something different then your current LA setup.

@‌oODGROo or Galalin

DK Scrub out

Sypher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Galalin

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Sypher OP!

Nerf Sypher

Although i did manage to gank him off his horse once.

Sad that i find this an accomplishment? Lol

Nicko_Lps

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Yeah dk's need even more nurfs,thanks for the vidproof sypher.


Look at this nublades,if you cant do it.. Just reroll.

jopeymonster

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Yeah dk's need even more nurfs,thanks for the vidproof sypher.


Look at this nublades,if you cant do it.. Just reroll.

Nerf resto/s+b builds!

gg Sypher

Lionxoft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Nightblades represent! Bow down Monkey Knights!

I think I see what you did there with putting bows down ..

"Nightblades are only good at ganking"

You must have never seen a Brizzblade...

HeroOfNone

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Not sure about dominant class, but there are some dominant races for sure. From the bossy Altmer, to the "get off our damn lawn you damn kids" Imperials.

I think the most dominant has to be the dunmer though. Go see The Ebony Flask's basement for more proof.

bsmorrowb14_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Sallington wrote: »

You can say it depends on the player all you want. I have never seen anyone in any other class come anywhere remotely close to having the survivability of a DK.

1 DK tanking 5-10 people all focusing on it, and the fight lasts for a solid 45 seconds - 1 minute. Any other class is dead in 5 seconds, I don't care how many blazing shields you spam.

You forgot the bit where 3-4 of those players are dead in the end.

The_Death_Princess

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Best basis is looking how long it takes for you to fill you daily bounties. For me fastest/easiest to least by rank is

DK
Enemy Player (I know, making a point about pop)
Sorc
NB
Temp

As far as comment about skills, I can kill easily any skilled player on any class but DK. Skilled player on a DK and I have a long long fight and can go either way.

Nicko_Lps

jopeymonster wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Yeah dk's need even more nurfs,thanks for the vidproof sypher.


Look at this nublades,if you cant do it.. Just reroll.

Nerf resto/s+b builds!

gg Sypher

I cant agree more with that signature of yours.
100% reality and a harsh one as well lol

Lava_Croft

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

jopeymonster wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Yeah dk's need even more nurfs,thanks for the vidproof sypher.


Look at this nublades,if you cant do it.. Just reroll.

Nerf resto/s+b builds!

gg Sypher

I cant agree more with that signature of yours.
100% reality and a harsh one as well lol

So all your crying about 'OP' Nightblades actually meant you think the Nightblade players are 'OP'?

Thank you for the compliment man!

Joy_Division

There is no dominant class in PvP

Kromus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

You can say it depends on the player all you want. I have never seen anyone in any other class come anywhere remotely close to having the survivability of a DK.

1 DK tanking 5-10 people all focusing on it, and the fight lasts for a solid 45 seconds - 1 minute. Any other class is dead in 5 seconds, I don't care how many blazing shields you spam.

You need to come to Cyordiil more often and see nightblades use sap essence/veil of blades and Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields.

Sorcs, on the other hand, yep just bolt away

Would you care to share which abilities you would use as melee Templar under focused fire of 3-5+ players or which abilities you would use in same situation when playing other classes? Or even in which situation you see Templars spamming BS?

For my Templar: Extended Ritual (try to keep fight in that) Blazing shield + Harness Magicka. Breathe of Life if low on health. I use Batswarm as my ultimate. For non vamps I'd use Empowering Sweep.

For DK: Either purge or Cinder storm (try to keep fight in that) depending on my mood. Keep Reflective scales + Igneous shield + harness magicka up. Use draw essence. Green Dragon Blood if low on health. Ultimate as Standard.

Sorceror: Hardened Ward + Harness Magicka. Healing Ward if low on health. I'd use Negate if I can get the enemies inside it, else Storm Atro.

Nightblade: Google "Krim" I don't play one.

Fact of the matter is 3-5 players who know what they are doing should kill you. As amusing as some of those players who are all defense and enjoy annoying the 10 players trying to kill them, I think you need to try and take the initiative and try to cull the herd attacking you.

Nicko_Lps

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

jopeymonster wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_teBL8dbe4k&list=UU_q5WZtFp36adwqhKpZzxwQ

DK Vampires are OP. Need Nerf. Please.

Yeah dk's need even more nurfs,thanks for the vidproof sypher.


Look at this nublades,if you cant do it.. Just reroll.

Nerf resto/s+b builds!

gg Sypher

I cant agree more with that signature of yours.
100% reality and a harsh one as well lol

So all your crying about 'OP' Nightblades actually meant you think the Nightblade players are 'OP'?

Thank you for the compliment man!

Offcourse some nb players are op..look the one on the video,this one im talking about and not you.Wasnt even rememb you exist as i was writing.

You and your wet dreams lol.

Soulac

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

*grabbing popcorn*

Kromus

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Joy_Division wrote: »

Kromus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

You can say it depends on the player all you want. I have never seen anyone in any other class come anywhere remotely close to having the survivability of a DK.

1 DK tanking 5-10 people all focusing on it, and the fight lasts for a solid 45 seconds - 1 minute. Any other class is dead in 5 seconds, I don't care how many blazing shields you spam.

You need to come to Cyordiil more often and see nightblades use sap essence/veil of blades and Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields.

Sorcs, on the other hand, yep just bolt away

Would you care to share which abilities you would use as melee Templar under focused fire of 3-5+ players or which abilities you would use in same situation when playing other classes? Or even in which situation you see Templars spamming BS?

For my Templar: Extended Ritual (try to keep fight in that) Blazing shield + Harness Magicka. Breathe of Life if low on health. I use Batswarm as my ultimate. For non vamps I'd use Empowering Sweep.

For DK: Either purge or Cinder storm (try to keep fight in that) depending on my mood. Keep Reflective scales + Igneous shield + harness magicka up. Use draw essence. Green Dragon Blood if low on health. Ultimate as Standard.

Sorceror: Hardened Ward + Harness Magicka. Healing Ward if low on health. I'd use Negate if I can get the enemies inside it, else Storm Atro.

Nightblade: Google "Krim" I don't play one.

Fact of the matter is 3-5 players who know what they are doing should kill you. As amusing as some of those players who are all defense and enjoy annoying the 10 players trying to kill them, I think you need to try and take the initiative and try to cull the herd attacking you.

Think we missed the point. What I wanted to know is what you mean by "Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields."? Anyway, no "tanky" templar in current state of game can last even remotely close to DK under focused fire from multiple enemies simply because Templar need to soak every damage coming its way, and pay with magicka or stamina for it while RS will do wonders for DK, pretty much free of charge considering unlimited damage it can negate for its duration. Other reason you can see is in abilities you mentioned, as there is more defensive abilities for DK and reliable self-heal.

Extended ritual is lackluster compared to Purifying ritual. Four second longer effect for already cheap cast is way weaker than ability to cleanse up to 5 negative effects you will probably get on you while under fire from multiple enemies. In such situation you will for sure need to recast it several times so I don't see any advantage in longer effect Extended ritual have.

ThyIronFist

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

We are dragons.

You cannot win

We cannot lose.

cazlonb16_ESO

The_Death_Princess wrote: »

Best basis is looking how long it takes for you to fill you daily bounties. For me fastest/easiest to least by rank is

DK
Enemy Player (I know, making a point about pop)
Sorc
NB
Temp

That's only because DKs are so squishy, silly

Joy_Division

There is no dominant class in PvP

Kromus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Kromus wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

You can say it depends on the player all you want. I have never seen anyone in any other class come anywhere remotely close to having the survivability of a DK.

1 DK tanking 5-10 people all focusing on it, and the fight lasts for a solid 45 seconds - 1 minute. Any other class is dead in 5 seconds, I don't care how many blazing shields you spam.

You need to come to Cyordiil more often and see nightblades use sap essence/veil of blades and Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields.

Sorcs, on the other hand, yep just bolt away

Would you care to share which abilities you would use as melee Templar under focused fire of 3-5+ players or which abilities you would use in same situation when playing other classes? Or even in which situation you see Templars spamming BS?

For my Templar: Extended Ritual (try to keep fight in that) Blazing shield + Harness Magicka. Breathe of Life if low on health. I use Batswarm as my ultimate. For non vamps I'd use Empowering Sweep.

For DK: Either purge or Cinder storm (try to keep fight in that) depending on my mood. Keep Reflective scales + Igneous shield + harness magicka up. Use draw essence. Green Dragon Blood if low on health. Ultimate as Standard.

Sorceror: Hardened Ward + Harness Magicka. Healing Ward if low on health. I'd use Negate if I can get the enemies inside it, else Storm Atro.

Nightblade: Google "Krim" I don't play one.

Fact of the matter is 3-5 players who know what they are doing should kill you. As amusing as some of those players who are all defense and enjoy annoying the 10 players trying to kill them, I think you need to try and take the initiative and try to cull the herd attacking you.

Think we missed the point. What I wanted to know is what you mean by "Templars with their standard-issue blazing shields."? Anyway, no "tanky" templar in current state of game can last even remotely close to DK under focused fire from multiple enemies simply because Templar need to soak every damage coming its way, and pay with magicka or stamina for it while RS will do wonders for DK, pretty much free of charge considering unlimited damage it can negate for its duration. Other reason you can see is in abilities you mentioned, as there is more defensive abilities for DK and reliable self-heal.

Extended ritual is lackluster compared to Purifying ritual. Four second longer effect for already cheap cast is way weaker than ability to cleanse up to 5 negative effects you will probably get on you while under fire from multiple enemies. In such situation you will for sure need to recast it several times so I don't see any advantage in longer effect Extended ritual have.

What I mean is that every Templar in Cyrodiil runs Blazing shield so "standard issue" is just a play on words.

You are wrong about templars not being able to last remotely close to DKs. I play both and I will tell you that when focused on there is not that much difference between the two. Believe what you want, but there are actually some people out there who use non-projectile abilities against a DK, breathe of Life that heals for 1500 that can be cast whenever is "reliable," and blazing shield does dissuade some people from using their optimal abilities. Next time you are in Daggerfall Covenant territory, try to kill Braidas or Grunt and you will see they are just as annoying to kill as DKs.

Extended Ritual is the better PvE morph. That is why I have it. If you have 5 negative effects going on you, odds are you the dozen or so players beating down on you will do so in about 5 seconds and Reflective Scales wouldn't save you anyway.

ToRelax

When DKs use loose (sry, edited ^^ ) their resource management in 1.6 people will still cry about reflective scales...