Invulnerability exploit.

RonnieDoitch

So then if were all up in arms over post how to do it and make it public. Break Cyrodiil and see how ZOS responds.

Columba

ezareth is precisely correct. everyone know it's going on, even zenimax. the silence on this is baffling, leaving us only one conclusion...

Rylana

Most of us in the thread know how to do the exploit actually, we intentionally dont post it because we dont want it spreading, nor do we want to get in trouble for publicly posting how to exploit the game.

Rune_Relic

I was walking through glenumbra last night and found a custom set crafting station where if you was attacked by multiple players it would restore health at 38% + health bonuses. Cant remember the name....its was a trap door in a derelict building with a reach guy hiding there.

I wonder if such a set would be shield stackable.

No reason to escape to menu....unless you want access to equipment for adding removing.
What happens if you raise magicka shields and then add remove armour while it/they are active ?
ie. instead of adding shields on the skill bar you add shields via equipment ?

Such a thing wouldn't be so far removed from the old skyrim alchemy exploits stacking potions with buffs...jumping in and out of enchanting/alchemy.

The problem with zos attitude is they think their code is infallible. Perhaps by keeping functions silent they mitigate the chances of exploitation. They don't...people will experiment looking for exploits through trial and error. If they make everything transparent.....there is millions of eyes that can find such faults. Eyes that are lucky enough or smart enough to see what ZOS miss. Yes it makes you vulnerable....but its that very vulnerability that allows people to help.

open source software should be a hackers paradise.....but trying it on with 1000s of other people watching your code kind of makes that difficult.

zazamalek

Saw a person solotank 12 people and resource NPCs last night. Health didn't drop below 100% - I assumed it was a bug on my side.

Oh well, guess we have another "PvP innovation."

Rune_Relic

Rylana wrote: »

Most of us in the thread know how to do the exploit actually, we intentionally dont post it because we dont want it spreading, nor do we want to get in trouble for publicly posting how to exploit the game.

So what you mean is you and your small group of friends have the potential to use it as and when you see fit.....but the majority cant ?
Please don't take that as a personal attack on your character.

It shouldn't be upto people to self police game exploits....they shouldn't exist as soon as they are viable..full stop.
1. the fact they are still viable is reallt really bad.
2. the fact ZOS knows... and allows it.. is just mind blowing.
3. the fact ZOS endorses it...as skillful ? ..well....I just don't know what to say.

If its a skill, then give all of us the tutorial.

@Rylana ..if its a skill its not an exploit so feel free to educate us.

Asgari

I applaud those who do not share it with anyone and make PvP worse than it already is with the constant crashing.

Call this exploit whatever you want, it is clearly an exploit. There are 0 builds in this game that legitimately keep you at 100% health with 0 shields up when X amount of players are hitting you at the same time.

In my videos that ZOS has yet to reach out to me for, that i cant post here because of the TOS, you can see said players in question taking serious damage and health bars not moving a spec.

When i say serious damage im talking 2 soul assaults, 1 overload hitting for 1.3k each hit, plus other players various attacks. This was all being done while the main player in question had 0 shields up and was on their back.

Srugzal

Columba wrote: »

I wish. witches were efficiently dealt with. It didn't take years of "we are looking into it"

/facepalm

Baphomet

When enemies have shields up, their health bars become partially greyed out in the edges to indicate that they are shielded. Normally this greyed out area depletes when a character takes damage until the point where it is gone and the character starts taking normal damage.

I see more and more people where this greyed out area is permanent when taking damage. When their health drops the shields continiue to work with 100% efficiency and the greyed out area is unaffected when taking damage

To me that suggests that there is some type of bug where you can benefit from the shields' mitigation without them ever dropping i.e. permanent shield effects.
This is the thing I see most often, but I have also run into quite a few instances where people are completely invulnerable.

philip.ploegerb16_ESO

Srugzal wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I wish. witches were efficiently dealt with. It didn't take years of "we are looking into it"

/facepalm

Yes.

Dleatherus

Columba wrote: »

I wish. witches were efficiently dealt with. It didn't take years of "we are looking into it"

no - usually it took 15 minutes of an angry mob to decide whether to deal with the peasant girl who had the misfortune of having a black cat follow her halfway down the village street

method of testing if she was a witch or not? - trial by water - tie the accused up and throw/dunk them in a village pond/river - if they didn't come up and drowned they were innocent, if they did come up and lived they were guilty and burned at the stake

your recent posts regarding ZOS colluding with cheaters spread over several posts is starting to take on this mentality

I certainly am NOT happy with how things are, but i also don't think that:

'ZOS employees exploiting is why ZOS has an ineffective policy against exploiters'

D.

Bezilar

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

I applaud those who do not share it with anyone and make PvP worse than it already is with the constant crashing.

Call this exploit whatever you want, it is clearly an exploit. There are 0 builds in this game that legitimately keep you at 100% health with 0 shields up when X amount of players are hitting you at the same time.

In my videos that ZOS has yet to reach out to me for, that i cant post here because of the TOS, you can see said players in question taking serious damage and health bars not moving a spec.

When i say serious damage im talking 2 soul assaults, 1 overload hitting for 1.3k each hit, plus other players various attacks. This was all being done while the main player in question had 0 shields up and was on their back.

Would love to see this fairy tail in a video? LOL

neiljwd

There's AD DK on EU, mostly Chillrend called **** who takes 10+ people to kill him every time. it's insane and very demoralizing.

Columba

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

I applaud those who do not share it with anyone and make PvP worse than it already is with the constant crashing.

Call this exploit whatever you want, it is clearly an exploit. There are 0 builds in this game that legitimately keep you at 100% health with 0 shields up when X amount of players are hitting you at the same time.

In my videos that ZOS has yet to reach out to me for, that i cant post here because of the TOS, you can see said players in question taking serious damage and health bars not moving a spec.

When i say serious damage im talking 2 soul assaults, 1 overload hitting for 1.3k each hit, plus other players various attacks. This was all being done while the main player in question had 0 shields up and was on their back.

Would love to see this fairy tail in a video? LOL

We know who you are. It's on YouTube, but the mods delete it on these forums. Laugh it up. Pathetic players rely on cheating. Those who do it are the laughingstocks of the gaming world. If the shoe fits...

Phinix1

Rylana wrote: »

Most of us in the thread know how to do the exploit actually, we intentionally dont post it because we dont want it spreading, nor do we want to get in trouble for publicly posting how to exploit the game.

If you had any integrity at all you would make an anonymous Reddit post.

Bezilar

Columba wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

I applaud those who do not share it with anyone and make PvP worse than it already is with the constant crashing.

Call this exploit whatever you want, it is clearly an exploit. There are 0 builds in this game that legitimately keep you at 100% health with 0 shields up when X amount of players are hitting you at the same time.

In my videos that ZOS has yet to reach out to me for, that i cant post here because of the TOS, you can see said players in question taking serious damage and health bars not moving a spec.

When i say serious damage im talking 2 soul assaults, 1 overload hitting for 1.3k each hit, plus other players various attacks. This was all being done while the main player in question had 0 shields up and was on their back.

Would love to see this fairy tail in a video? LOL

We know who you are. It's on YouTube, but the mods delete it on these forums. Laugh it up. Pathetic players rely on cheating. Those who do it are the laughingstocks of the gaming world. If the shoe fits...

More like elitist thinking they know it all.

Ifthir_ESO

Xael wrote: »

wall of text + quoted other walls of text

The staff doesn't think this is an exploit. It's been reported. There is no belief that the players in question are exploiting. Either duplicate it, or accept the players in question know more about the game than you do.

Maybe if everyone is doing it the devs will believe it is an issue to be addressed. Right now this isn't the case, as evidenced by the 0 dev comments in a marathon thread.

Bezilar

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Most of us in the thread know how to do the exploit actually, we intentionally dont post it because we dont want it spreading, nor do we want to get in trouble for publicly posting how to exploit the game.

If you had any integrity at all you would make an anonymous Reddit post.

They don't want to share their Magika recovery exploit with the non-elite! I know they have it because I confronted a guy, who confronted a guy, from a a guy I know, who knew a couple other guys.....and they all admitted it to me...LOL

Columba

Dleatherus wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I wish. witches were efficiently dealt with. It didn't take years of "we are looking into it"

no - usually it took 15 minutes of an angry mob to decide whether to deal with the peasant girl who had the misfortune of having a black cat follow her halfway down the village street

method of testing if she was a witch or not? - trial by water - tie the accused up and throw/dunk them in a village pond/river - if they didn't come up and drowned they were innocent, if they did come up and lived they were guilty and burned at the stake

your recent posts regarding ZOS colluding with cheaters spread over several posts is starting to take on this mentality

I certainly am NOT happy with how things are, but i also don't think that:

'ZOS employees exploiting is why ZOS has an ineffective policy against exploiters'

D.

So why are they silent? Curious minds would love to know

Dleatherus

Columba wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I wish. witches were efficiently dealt with. It didn't take years of "we are looking into it"

no - usually it took 15 minutes of an angry mob to decide whether to deal with the peasant girl who had the misfortune of having a black cat follow her halfway down the village street

method of testing if she was a witch or not? - trial by water - tie the accused up and throw/dunk them in a village pond/river - if they didn't come up and drowned they were innocent, if they did come up and lived they were guilty and burned at the stake

your recent posts regarding ZOS colluding with cheaters spread over several posts is starting to take on this mentality

I certainly am NOT happy with how things are, but i also don't think that:

'ZOS employees exploiting is why ZOS has an ineffective policy against exploiters'

D.

So why are they silent? Curious minds would love to know

definitely - it's one of my biggest frustrations also - i just don't subscribe to ZOS having poor communications = ZOS employees exploit the game and hence the silence

there might be an exploiter who is a ZOS employee (we'd have no way of knowing) - but i doubt as a result it drives corporate policy regarding the rest of their paying base - think about that for a moment

just because something is happening (in this case zos's silence) and we cannot explain why it is happening, it doesn't mean that any theory tossed out there (in this case your notion that they are harboring their own exploiting employees) is true

a good example would be that just because at the beginning of last century when they discovered flight, and couldn't explain it since the theory of aerodynamics hadn't yet been fully thought out (concepts were in place at the time through the work on fluid dynamics regarding ship hulls at the time etc), that because somebody suggested that tiny invisible flying purple unicorns were lifting the plane into the sky, that it was the correct explanation

D.

Columba

A simple "this is not working as intended" would suffice. they've done this with other less blatant cheats. why not this one?

Sadae

I was happy to see this thread, and that I wasn't alone in recognizing that something "not right" was going on. Whether it's an outright cheat, hack, or exploit, I've seen these people walk into a swarm of enemies, take zero damage (staying at 100% health) for a good 30 seconds, then maybe start taking very little damage (during which time this person has killed many of us), and then eventually zip on out of there having never died. They usually seem to be wearing cloth armor too.

If this is a legit build, then there is something seriously wrong with the game design. But I am much more inclined to believe it's an exploit or hack.

I am a very good DK tank myself, and I can take a lot of punishment before for I die, but I'm wearing all heavy armor, and my health bar doesn't sit at 100% the way it does with these guys. It bounces all around, and I take the expected damage and get the expected heals.

This thread begs an answer to a different problem as well: Why doesn't the ZOS staff communicate with us about issues such as this?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ etc...

They've surely looked into this, and must have some idea of what's going on? I believe their jobs entail more than just keeping the peace, and that they need to communicate with us players what they know about such problems.

If it's legit (which I don't believe), explain how this kind of design makes sense, and if exploits or hacks are involved, then take measures to ban the people using them!

Braidas

Sadae wrote: »

I was happy to see this thread, and that I wasn't alone in recognizing that something "not right" was going on. Whether it's an outright cheat, hack, or exploit, I've seen these people walk into a swarm of enemies, take zero damage (staying at 100% health) for a good 30 seconds, then maybe start taking very little damage (during which time this person has killed many of us), and then eventually zip on out of there having never died. They usually seem to be wearing cloth armor too.

If this is a legit build, then there is something seriously wrong with the game design. But I am much more inclined to believe it's an exploit or hack.

I am a very good DK tank myself, and I can take a lot of punishment before for I die, but I'm wearing all heavy armor, and my health bar doesn't sit at 100% the way it does with these guys. It bounces all around, and I take the expected damage and get the expected heals.

This thread begs an answer to a different problem as well: Why doesn't the ZOS staff communicate with us about issues such as this?

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌ etc...

They've surely looked into this, and must have some idea of what's going on? I believe their jobs entail more than just keeping the peace, and that they need to communicate with us players what they know about such problems.

If it's legit (which I don't believe), explain how this kind of design makes sense, and if exploits or hacks are involved, then take measures to ban the people using them!

tht doesnt sound like any of the players brought up so far, they cant kill ***.

Rylana

To be clear, I do not exploit the game, never have, and I dont share knowledge with anyone but ZOS trying to get this fixed.

You really think I am going to perpetuate the use of an exploit just because people "want to do it too"

Not a chance. I simply extrapolated based on already available information how it was done, replicated it, and submitted my findings to ZOS. What they do with it now is their prerogative, I was merely pointing out the reason you will not see it posted publicly, because no one wants you to use it, because we dont want ANYONE to be using it.

Xael

Well I just found a way to replicate this in part... fml.

Columba

Rylana wrote: »

To be clear, I do not exploit the game, never have, and I dont share knowledge with anyone but ZOS trying to get this fixed.

You really think I am going to perpetuate the use of an exploit just because people "want to do it too"

Not a chance. I simply extrapolated based on already available information how it was done, replicated it, and submitted my findings to ZOS. What they do with it now is their prerogative, I was merely pointing out the reason you will not see it posted publicly, because no one wants you to use it, because we dont want ANYONE to be using it.

Indeed. I don't want others abusing this. thank you.

Columba

Xael wrote: »

Well I just found a way to replicate this in part... fml.

thank you for coming around. I hope zenimax does.

Xael

Columba wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Well I just found a way to replicate this in part... fml.

thank you for coming around. I hope zenimax does.

Wasn't a matter of coming around, like I said, I go where the evidence is. Last night there were a lot of variables not making sense or being answered for.
Though I understand what you mean.

However, I am unable to keep the up-time they are demonstrating in these videos. For example, the one sorc he fought for 5-6 minutes had an up-time of invuln that exceeds certain mechanics (avoiding skill names). More importantly he was not using certain things I need in order to quasi-replicate. I suppose I am missing a step somewhere. I have been dicking around with it for about 20 mintues now.

I will say this... if I am doing it right it is simple game mechanics and they are not hacking. That said they should not be banned for this cheese as it may be. More importantly if I am on the right path... for ZOS to fix this would require a massive change to overall combat. And quite frankly I am not sure I like the direction this will lead. It's a very slippery slope.

Gillysan

Interesting, this explains the random_player0 I was running next to in VR2 zone. I saw a set effect that I know well and thought "why did that trigger? He isn't even hurt."

Xael wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

Well I just found a way to replicate this in part... fml.

thank you for coming around. I hope zenimax does.

I will say this... if I am doing it right it is simple game mechanics and they are not hacking. That said they should not be banned for this cheese as it may be. More importantly if I am on the right path... for ZOS to fix this would require a massive change to overall combat. And quite frankly I am not sure I like the direction this will lead. It's a very slippery slope.

There is the crux of it, in bold. Yikes!

BTW, quick youtube check and there are plenty of videos. Not exactly rocket science to find them.

Gillysan

They are most certainly aware of this thread!

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1285070/#Comment_1285070

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