Invulnerability exploit.

smee_z

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_MichaelServotte wrote: »

Your diligence has bare fruit. Kudos to you! Also to the other guys that attested to this issue. Hope you continue this efforts.

Ifthir_ESO

so happy to see this post!!!

Ifthir_ESO

now now lets all play nice given this joyous anouncement

Siliconhobbit_ESO

I find it interesting that out of of 16 pages of comments concerning this issue, not one player that benefits from these combinations of skills and or abilities has set foot in this thread to explain what they do and how they do it. There is no defense expressed regarding this.

This pretty much says that despite the creative combination of skills provided in the game, to get the desired result of 'invulnerability', those USING it know full well it's an unintended effect and quite possibly an exploit.

It also speaks volumes about they type of person they are and just how unskilled they are as a player. Knowing such a combination will grant you this effect and then using it is telling everyone that you do not care that you are exploiting. you do not care that others know you are exploiting, and that you are doing it because you cannot compete otherwise, fairly.

Rather pathetic if you ask me, and I do hope that those who are doing it, find themselves at the end of the ban-stick, permanently.

themizario

With the fix I imagine a change to a PvP set coming...look for it in patch notes. Sadly I imagine they will only make it slightly less damage reduction (95%) and not 100% fixed.

I cured my vampirism and respeced in protest. (2nd peice of the exploit) I just want a fair fight in Cyrodiil. If I die all the time to skilled players then that's great. When I battle 1v1 or 1vX and look at my death recap and see various skills its awesome. Skilled players make me question my build or think what skills I could use differently.

That's the challenge I like...not looking at death recap and seeing impulse and bat swarm.

Overall, I'm glad it's being addressed. To all the people in this thread that denied any cheating was going on and defended the blatant cheating - shame on you for trying to ruin our game.

Columba

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I find it interesting that out of of 16 pages of comments concerning this issue, not one player that benefits from these combinations of skills and or abilities has set foot in this thread to explain what they do and how they do it. There is no defense expressed regarding this.

This pretty much says that despite the creative combination of skills provided in the game, to get the desired result of 'invulnerability', those USING it know full well it's an unintended effect and quite possibly an exploit.

It also speaks volumes about they type of person they are and just how unskilled they are as a player. Knowing such a combination will grant you this effect and then using it is telling everyone that you do not care that you are exploiting. you do not care that others know you are exploiting, and that you are doing it because you cannot compete otherwise, fairly.

Rather pathetic if you ask me, and I do hope that those who are doing it, find themselves at the end of the ban-stick, permanently.

one player who has been proven to use this has been here, and has been derisive towards the honorable players. He has also died quickly when not using said exploit, lol. it proves your point about how terrible said player really is.

Bezilar

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I find it interesting that out of of 16 pages of comments concerning this issue, not one player that benefits from these combinations of skills and or abilities has set foot in this thread to explain what they do and how they do it. There is no defense expressed regarding this.

This pretty much says that despite the creative combination of skills provided in the game, to get the desired result of 'invulnerability', those USING it know full well it's an unintended effect and quite possibly an exploit.

It also speaks volumes about they type of person they are and just how unskilled they are as a player. Knowing such a combination will grant you this effect and then using it is telling everyone that you do not care that you are exploiting. you do not care that others know you are exploiting, and that you are doing it because you cannot compete otherwise, fairly.

Rather pathetic if you ask me, and I do hope that those who are doing it, find themselves at the end of the ban-stick, permanently.

There was no exploit indicated, as I been saying. "While we have seen some situations being a normal combination of abilities (defensive and offensive ones), we also identified some areas where some changes could be applied." No more shield stacking is coming, can't wait...will be able to burn down those pesky DK's.

Columba

Euphemism for exploit. We all know it. Without perma invulnerability it's been wonderful watching these baddies get destroyed even by low level players, lol.

Dleatherus

because of ZOS's toothless and non-public stance on exploits and exploiters, they didn't call DK's chain pulling friendly enemies by the dozen up onto the walls of keeps to ninja cap them exploiting either - but we all know it was, and they nerfed it

there was a long thread about that where the main person featured in the video argued the exact same logic that you are - it was 3 months or so ago and i'm not inclined to go digging through for the relevant thread

he did say words to the effect of 'if they remove it from game, i'll have to admit that I was wrong'

as for those pesky dk's - you couldn't burn them down when you were in god mode - going to be amusing to see how you adapt because though they will be slightly nerfed, you will be greatly nerfed

add to that fact that basically by your 'skilled playstyle' you have painted yourself a bullseye on your forehead, Cyrodiil will become very interesting for you indeed

D.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]

Columba

Yeah it was amusing to watch certain well known mist form magicians melt in two seconds to lowbies when they didn't employ their god mode.

Mitrenga

working as intended™

Columba

since this isn't working as intended, zenimax can you declare this as an official exploit? thanks.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Srugzal wrote: »

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Glory and shame alone define online gaming as an unique entertainment medium. The balance between the two determines the quality of the game and the experience for people who play for the competitive multiplayer, community features.

A phrase like naming and shaming sounds catchy. It's cute. It's also flawed policy. Three strikes and you're out sounds cool too and is responsible for all manner of bizarre horrors....outside of baseball that is.

Name calling would be just dreadful here, however. But listing people, by name, who have been banned from the game for a range of offenses is sound policy. It also does wonders for both an online game and its community.

Having a leader board without a banned list is having half an online game. Well....unlike the leader board, I think you could make banned list notifications optional

I've heard of some horrible ideas for this game, but this one sets the bar impossibly high. Isn't the atmosphere toxic enough, without adding a list of shame? I can't imagine a world where this idea would ever fly, especially from a legal standpoint.

"Glory and shame alone define online gaming as an unique entertainment medium."

This is a truly horrifying and perverted take on "entertainment." "Shame" isn't part of any mature person's entertainment universe.

Trash talking and booing are very prevalent in many modern sports atmospheres. Physical and esport. I would venture to guess that many of those people are fairly mature but who knows?

JLB

themizario wrote: »

With the fix I imagine a change to a PvP set coming...look for it in patch notes. Sadly I imagine they will only make it slightly less damage reduction (95%) and not 100% fixed.

Do you mean Light of Cyrodiil set..?

themizario

JLB wrote: »

themizario wrote: »

With the fix I imagine a change to a PvP set coming...look for it in patch notes. Sadly I imagine they will only make it slightly less damage reduction (95%) and not 100% fixed.

Do you mean Light of Cyrodiil set..?

Yup

Luvsfuzzybunnies

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Thank you. Given the inherent complexity and a history of some patches opening up new issues, please ensure full testing. Also, you must have a design principle or outcome against which you are evaluating your improvements. It would be helpful for us to know what is or isn't considered an acceptable outcome so that we can provide feedback. For example, what is the longest any player should get invulnerability?

Further, with said parameters, I would warn players that anyone caught intentionally abusing mechanics to evade these principles will be subject to a warning and further disciplinary actions. Not intended is a reasonableness check for players to think twice before they decide to go into god mode.

"with said parameters" ...lmfao!

Will be interesting to see ya last as long as you previously did now. If so kudos to you if not we will have our answer. Have fun in game bro look forward to some legit pvp.

JLB

themizario wrote: »

JLB wrote: »

themizario wrote: »

With the fix I imagine a change to a PvP set coming...look for it in patch notes. Sadly I imagine they will only make it slightly less damage reduction (95%) and not 100% fixed.

Do you mean Light of Cyrodiil set..?

Yup

Columba

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Thank you. Given the inherent complexity and a history of some patches opening up new issues, please ensure full testing. Also, you must have a design principle or outcome against which you are evaluating your improvements. It would be helpful for us to know what is or isn't considered an acceptable outcome so that we can provide feedback. For example, what is the longest any player should get invulnerability?

Further, with said parameters, I would warn players that anyone caught intentionally abusing mechanics to evade these principles will be subject to a warning and further disciplinary actions. Not intended is a reasonableness check for players to think twice before they decide to go into god mode.

"with said parameters" ...lmfao!

Will be interesting to see ya last as long as you previously did now. If so kudos to you if not we will have our answer. Have fun in game bro look forward to some legit pvp.

We already have our answer on this. see my comments above, lol. level 45's ganking players who became afraid of the banhammer and stopped employing god mode.

Luvsfuzzybunnies

Columba wrote: »

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Thank you. Given the inherent complexity and a history of some patches opening up new issues, please ensure full testing. Also, you must have a design principle or outcome against which you are evaluating your improvements. It would be helpful for us to know what is or isn't considered an acceptable outcome so that we can provide feedback. For example, what is the longest any player should get invulnerability?

Further, with said parameters, I would warn players that anyone caught intentionally abusing mechanics to evade these principles will be subject to a warning and further disciplinary actions. Not intended is a reasonableness check for players to think twice before they decide to go into god mode.

"with said parameters" ...lmfao!

Will be interesting to see ya last as long as you previously did now. If so kudos to you if not we will have our answer. Have fun in game bro look forward to some legit pvp.

We already have our answer on this. see my comments above, lol. level 45's ganking players who became afraid of the banhammer and stopped employing god mode.

I did I just can't wait to get in game and actually see it first hand^^

Ifthir_ESO

Luvsfuzzybunnies wrote: »

Will be interesting to see ya last as long as you previously did now. If so kudos to you if not we will have our answer. Have fun in game bro look forward to some legit pvp.

Well it has probably been a rough few weeks for a certain sorc. His speed bonus from gear + dark stalker was nerfed, and now this.

Tamanous

I often gain the sense that even ZoS is baffled by the complexity of their own game.

Columba

Tamanous wrote: »

I often gain the sense that even ZoS is baffled by the complexity of their own game.

among other things.

ghengis_dhan

This happened to me recently. I was with a large group taking a keep. As we rushed the back flag, I was doing my usually for taking keep flags (dropping negate and spamming heals while blocking). I normally get lots of hits and see my health and stamina drop, frequently to dangerously low levels.

After taking the back flag in a huge firefight, I noticed my magicka, health, and stamina were full. As we rushed the front flag, my magicka should have been almost gone, but it was still full. I was clearly being hit but not taking any damage.

I heard some others in our group mention the same kind of thing over TeamSpeak. It lasted for about 2 minutes for everyone affected, and then everything went back to normal.

Kypho

ZOS_MichaelServotte wrote: »

Hey folks,

Due to the complexity of this situation, we needed a little bit more time than usual to investigate. We wanted to make sure we had a complete understanding of the reported issue, with a good view of what was reported; this helped us better define what is functioning as intended from what needed to be addressed.

Thanks to all the reports, data, explanations, and videos you shared with us in this thread, our team is able to have a complete picture of the situation. While we have seen some situations being a normal combination of abilities (defensive and offensive ones), we also identified some areas where some changes could be applied. We are now in the process of making those changes (which will appear in the patch notes when pushed to live) and getting the changes approved/verified by our QA team, so that we can see when we will be able to push it to the live servers.

Once again, the situation discussed here involves a lot of moving parts and we prefer to move carefully, not wanting to break anything else in the process of addressing game balance. We will keep you updated as those changes are done.

Thank you for your diligent reporting and patience on this matter!

Umm this means... Ye we know about all crap, just we dont give a [snip]

I guess... because most crap is there from start and they just did nothing. They made 2 class OP now, etc...

"Once again, the situation discussed here involves a lot of moving parts and we prefer to move carefully, not wanting to break anything else in the process of addressing game balance. We will keep you updated as those changes are done."

--Ohh really, then why do we have so many unbalance in game? Who broke em if not you? Was another company, or what? You cant balance classes, how do you think you can fix explo.... i mean "very skilled" builds? For example: You tried to balance templars, you made OPlars... grat. Another example: You tried to fix cloak, you broke it, fixed, but its still broken....grat. You tried to fix vampirism...look what you have done....grat...

You need new team to work on these issues... if you have anyone....


[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Kypho

Columba wrote: »

Further, with said parameters, I would warn players that anyone caught intentionally abusing mechanics to evade these principles will be subject to a warning and further disciplinary actions. Not intended is a reasonableness check for players to think twice before they decide to go into god mode.

Who said that they will do anything with those players? they said they are very skilled ones, so why would they do anything? This is ZoS, dont belive a word. There are NO EXPLOITS in eso, only skill.

Kypho

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I find it interesting that out of of 16 pages of comments concerning this issue, not one player that benefits from these combinations of skills and or abilities has set foot in this thread to explain what they do and how they do it. There is no defense expressed regarding this.

This pretty much says that despite the creative combination of skills provided in the game, to get the desired result of 'invulnerability', those USING it know full well it's an unintended effect and quite possibly an exploit.

It also speaks volumes about they type of person they are and just how unskilled they are as a player. Knowing such a combination will grant you this effect and then using it is telling everyone that you do not care that you are exploiting. you do not care that others know you are exploiting, and that you are doing it because you cannot compete otherwise, fairly.

Rather pathetic if you ask me, and I do hope that those who are doing it, find themselves at the end of the ban-stick, permanently.

There was no exploit indicated, as I been saying. "While we have seen some situations being a normal combination of abilities (defensive and offensive ones), we also identified some areas where some changes could be applied." No more shield stacking is coming, can't wait...will be able to burn down those pesky DK's.

You really belive that they can fix that? or better... they want to fix that?

ghengis_dhan

bellanca6561n wrote: »

And to the fact the shame is the glue holding together the most civilized societies today and in human history. It's abuses are horrifying of course. But it remains sine qua non in the proper dosage.

By shame, I'm taking you also mean locking them away from the general public.

bellanca6561n wrote: »

Removing shame from most online games was a mistake and a rather cowardly one I'm afraid. And it is, in part, responsible for the shift of these games to solo focus and near complete obsession with achievement.

I'm okay with ZOS shaming proven offenders, but you cannot shame suspected offenders. And, I'm definitely against players doing the shaming. We have some posters on this forum who rode the short bus to school. What's to keep them from shaming a perceived offense or someone they just don't like?

Columba

Kypho wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »

I find it interesting that out of of 16 pages of comments concerning this issue, not one player that benefits from these combinations of skills and or abilities has set foot in this thread to explain what they do and how they do it. There is no defense expressed regarding this.

This pretty much says that despite the creative combination of skills provided in the game, to get the desired result of 'invulnerability', those USING it know full well it's an unintended effect and quite possibly an exploit.

It also speaks volumes about they type of person they are and just how unskilled they are as a player. Knowing such a combination will grant you this effect and then using it is telling everyone that you do not care that you are exploiting. you do not care that others know you are exploiting, and that you are doing it because you cannot compete otherwise, fairly.

Rather pathetic if you ask me, and I do hope that those who are doing it, find themselves at the end of the ban-stick, permanently.

There was no exploit indicated, as I been saying. "While we have seen some situations being a normal combination of abilities (defensive and offensive ones), we also identified some areas where some changes could be applied." No more shield stacking is coming, can't wait...will be able to burn down those pesky DK's.

You really belive that they can fix that? or better... they want to fix that?

No he doesn't. He's just compensating for the grief he's experiencing from losing god mode exploitation. It's been humorous watching some of these exploiters die in seconds when they don't use the exploit crutch. Exploits enable terrible players.

Lesspa

What is the bug? Being in mist form w/ light of cyrodiil?

My brother tested this as a vamp and he can get down to around 1-2% hp and only take 1-5 dmg per hit, but he still dies.

I am a DK vamp and i tend to evade large groups by mist forming away, am i using a bug? R'U'Jelin wants to know if hes "cheating" so he doesnt do it anymore(thats me).

Columba

lol some elitists are calling this exploit, skilled play. yep yep. 1 guy surviving 40+ enemies is "skilled play!" lol just lol. The really interesting part is that those same players who think this is skilled are screaming for aoe cap removal to prevent zerg balls. Wait???!!! If it's legitimate for one player to be permanently invulnerable and survive 40+ players, why do we need aoe caps to be removed too? after all this exploit is skilled play, surely skilled players can easily defeat zergs then?


Logic failure of massive proportions. Hugs and kisses to my bestest friend who is chanting this.