Invulnerability exploit.

Ezareth

That's just the forum moderator. They have already edited this thread several times.

Synozeer

So if they don't consider it an exploit then they certainly wouldn't remove a post explaining how to do it. Oh wait, I'm sure they would. So is it an exploit or not, ZOS?

Columba

they can't decide, lol. they don't want skilled players' secret shared! hahahahaa.

Rune_Relic

Columba wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

To be clear, I do not exploit the game, never have, and I dont share knowledge with anyone but ZOS trying to get this fixed.

You really think I am going to perpetuate the use of an exploit just because people "want to do it too"

Not a chance. I simply extrapolated based on already available information how it was done, replicated it, and submitted my findings to ZOS. What they do with it now is their prerogative, I was merely pointing out the reason you will not see it posted publicly, because no one wants you to use it, because we dont want ANYONE to be using it.

Indeed. I don't want others abusing this. thank you.

Alas...people are abusing it and the secret will no doubt spread to buddies or you yourself would not have heard of it.

So are you saying this is an exploit and not skill then ? Its only exploits you are not allowed to pass on....guess your friends didnt get the memo ?

Point I am making is either everyone should have the "skill" or no one. If it is such that it breaks the game ..then it has to be fixed regarldess of the work involved. Burying your head in the sand and trying to keep it secret will and is failing. It will spread by word of mouth regardless of your best intentions. If its "skill" then why shoudl that not be the case ?

Phinix1

This happened to me today, completely by accident. I wasn't using mist either, in fact I didn't even have it on my bar. Basically, something glitched and a shield was stuck on me for over ten minutes (not visually, just showing on my health bar), basically until I logged.

In this instance I have no idea how it happened, whether it was a combination of my own shields and some action or a group member's shield.

All I know is I noticed I was suddenly not taking damage.

Kypho

You shall not name ppl.... ok
You shall not say EXPLOIT ... lol ok
You report exploiters with lot others ... ok
Those players abusing exploits for months ... not ok, exept for [snip].. Grat...

ZoS dont give a [snip]. They only can remove post what has exploit or bad language, but they failing to ballance game, failing to fix game, these are ok.... they work slowly ok... but letting exploiters exploiting for months is not ok at all... they are [snip].

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming and Cursing & Profanity]

Kypho

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Xael wrote: »

wall of text + quoted other walls of text

The staff doesn't think this is an exploit. It's been reported. There is no belief that the players in question are exploiting. Either duplicate it, or accept the players in question know more about the game than you do.

Maybe if everyone is doing it the devs will believe it is an issue to be addressed. Right now this isn't the case, as evidenced by the 0 dev comments in a marathon thread.

Tanking a zerg and taking 0 damage is very skilled, then if you know how to do it, Make a post about it named : "very skilled build guide"
And if you see someone exploiting, make video, and put it up with name like: "very skilled player". So all will know about all kind of zoscrap, without telling that they exploiters and name n shame.

Kypho

Anyway. There was an other mmo (no, not wow lol), where one of my friend said that exploiting considered SKILL for most ppl... Well, seems for ZoS too.... so, there is no exploiting in ESO, its really an unique MMO where you can do whatever you like lol.

Xsorus

lol, it looks like he was wandering around without his exploit tonight.

Was pretty funny

Sharee

AlienDiplomat wrote: »

This happened to me today, completely by accident. I wasn't using mist either, in fact I didn't even have it on my bar. Basically, something glitched and a shield was stuck on me for over ten minutes (not visually, just showing on my health bar), basically until I logged.

In this instance I have no idea how it happened, whether it was a combination of my own shields and some action or a group member's shield.

All I know is I noticed I was suddenly not taking damage.

Now that you mention it, i saw something similar as well. I had a 'shield' border on my HP bar stuck permanently. I assumed it is just a visual UI glitch since i did not get any damage reduction from it - i was not using harness magicka tho, i think it was from ingeous shield on my DK.

No idea what caused it, but it is unlikely it was from something a group member did since i almost always solo in cyro.

Columba

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

lol, it looks like he was wandering around without his exploit tonight.

Was pretty funny

Yeah someone indicated that he is scared of getting the ban hammer so he decided to stop the....skilled play. Lol. Not formidable at all without the 60 min long invulnerability......skills.

Xsorus

Columba wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

lol, it looks like he was wandering around without his exploit tonight.

Was pretty funny

Yeah someone indicated that he is scared of getting the ban hammer so he decided to stop the....skilled play. Lol. Not formidable at all without the 60 min long invulnerability......skills.

Rofl... He spends most of his time running away, then when he stops and pretends like he actually can fight he gets crushed pretty hard.

ZOS_LenaicR

Kypho wrote: »

You shall not name ppl.... ok
You shall not say EXPLOIT ... lol ok
You report exploiters with lot others ... ok
Those players abusing exploits for months ... not ok, exept for[snip]... Grat...

ZoS dont give a [snip]. They only can remove post what has exploit or bad language, but they failing to ballance game, failing to fix game, these are ok.... they work slowly ok... but letting exploiters exploiting for months is not ok at all... they are [snip].

Hi @Kypho,

Indeed, we do not allow Naming & Shaming on our forums. We invite you to report other forum users you believe are posting against our rules via the flag feature under the comments. If you believe a player is committing acts against the ToS in game, please report the player in game. All reports are taken seriously and are investigated fully.

If you have feedback regarding the balancing of The Elder Scrolls Online or if you have issues to report regarding activity in game, we invite you to create a dedicated and constructive thread on our forums or to submit feedback with /feedback in game.
We will be able to assist you further with troubleshooting steps and advice in order to help solve the problem. We also take the information and feedback shared by our forum users the appropriate teams.

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

Kypho

ZOS_LenaicR wrote: »

Kypho wrote: »

You shall not name ppl.... ok
You shall not say EXPLOIT ... lol ok
You report exploiters with lot others ... ok
Those players abusing exploits for months ... not ok, exept for Columba... Grat...

ZoS dont give a [snip]. They only can remove post what has exploit or bad language, but they failing to ballance game, failing to fix game, these are ok.... they work slowly ok... but letting exploiters exploiting for months is not ok at all... they are [snip].

Hi @Kypho,

Indeed, we do not allow Naming & Shaming on our forums. We invite you to report other forum users you believe are posting against our rules via the flag feature under the comments. If you believe a player is committing acts against the ToS in game, please report the player in game. All reports are taken seriously and are investigated fully.

If you have feedback regarding the balancing of The Elder Scrolls Online or if you have issues to report regarding activity in game, we invite you to create a dedicated and constructive thread on our forums or to submit feedback with /feedback in game.
We will be able to assist you further with troubleshooting steps and advice in order to help solve the problem. We also take the information and feedback shared by our forum users the appropriate teams.

Sorry @ZOS_LenaicR but people who did exploit long time before, and doing it now too, are still playing. How can that be if you taking it serious?
Ohh I mean if you call exploiters a "very skilled players", then i dont think we have to discuss anything. For you only exploit is maybe bot using. Others are very skilled for you.


Ohh forgot to ask you, any plan to change Swarm+pulsar BS? 1000 zombie using that same crap for ages now. its alright for you that [snip] just abusing that? They must be crap to use always that cheese, and cant do anything beside that.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Dleatherus

Columba wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

lol, it looks like he was wandering around without his exploit tonight.

Was pretty funny

Yeah someone indicated that he is scared of getting the ban hammer so he decided to stop the....skilled play. Lol. Not formidable at all without the 60 min long invulnerability......skills.

why would he get the ban hammer if it was legit as he himself proclaimed in here?

maybe it was legit and the devs told him it was unintended and asked him to stop using that combo until they fixed it

maybe it was an exploit and he feels he has gotten away with it long enough

and this brings us to another quandry that could be resolved by a little communication on the part of ZOS - presumably he stopped running the build for either of the two above reasons (could be something else)

that being the case, without ZOS 'officially' telling us whether the build is legit or not the gentleman in question, will always have the stigma of being regarded as an opportunistic cheat/exploiter by many - which genuinely is a shame if that's not the case, and fully deserved if it is

D.

Ezareth

ZoS's definition of what is an exploit or what isn't is irrelevant to me.

Using Caltrops to stop siege damage and AOE was an exploit yet ZoS didn't ban anyone using it and it took them forever to fix it. I lost half my guild to that fiasco as well as my first campaign to it.

If we the players decide as a community that something is an exploit then that is an exploit to me. We all know ZoS never intended anything in the game to give people -~70% damage mitigation permanently as that would be OP as hell and every single player would have to do it in PvP...which would break PvP.

It's evident that ZoS doesn't have the manpower or the capability to research and ban players for exploiting mechanics like these so they instead just try as quickly as possible to fix the mechanic being abused and sweep all the public outcry under the rug.

Kypho

there is 100% mitigation exploit

smacx250

I don't get it - if people understand the mechanics at work and aren't trying to keep it secret for themselves, just post it as "here is a good build".

There is no secret about the identity of some of the players using it, that such use has been reported to ZOS, and that the players continue to use it. Also, ZOS is clearly aware of this thread, and the question about this being acceptable gameplay, and has failed to indicate that there is anything wrong with using it. This is good evidence that ZOS doesn't (at least currently) consider it an exploit, and there should be no TOS issue with posting the mechanics - it is just like any other game mechanic that is discussed.

The "I just don't want others using it" argument seems like a line. If anyone knows about it, eventually everyone who really wants to use it will find out, and that slow process of adoption will just prolong the issue. Once it is prevalent, there will be a huge outcry and it will get "fixed" - if not immediately in the game mechanics itself, then by ZOS giving guidance as to the acceptability of making use of it. The other side of it is that if everyone knows about the mechanics, it will receive great scrutiny by a large number of people, possibly exposing some mitigation.

Finally, as can be seen from the arguments in this thread, keeping the mechanics "secret" but continuously complaining about it obviously isn't doing much or any good. Going public with something is the best way to shine the spotlight on it.

krim

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZoS's definition of what is an exploit or what isn't is irrelevant to me.

Using Caltrops to stop siege damage and AOE was an exploit yet ZoS didn't ban anyone using it and it took them forever to fix it. I lost half my guild to that fiasco as well as my first campaign to it.

If we the players decide as a community that something is an exploit then that is an exploit to me. We all know ZoS never intended anything in the game to give people -~70% damage mitigation permanently as that would be OP as hell and every single player would have to do it in PvP...which would break PvP.

It's evident that ZoS doesn't have the manpower or the capability to research and ban players for exploiting mechanics like these so they instead just try as quickly as possible to fix the mechanic being abused and sweep all the public outcry under the rug.

Bug vs exploit.....

Huntler

krim wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZoS's definition of what is an exploit or what isn't is irrelevant to me.

Using Caltrops to stop siege damage and AOE was an exploit yet ZoS didn't ban anyone using it and it took them forever to fix it. I lost half my guild to that fiasco as well as my first campaign to it.

If we the players decide as a community that something is an exploit then that is an exploit to me. We all know ZoS never intended anything in the game to give people -~70% damage mitigation permanently as that would be OP as hell and every single player would have to do it in PvP...which would break PvP.

It's evident that ZoS doesn't have the manpower or the capability to research and ban players for exploiting mechanics like these so they instead just try as quickly as possible to fix the mechanic being abused and sweep all the public outcry under the rug.

Bug vs exploit.....

This... it is mind boggling how people don't understand the difference.... and well... game mechanics...

Asgari

Huntler wrote: »

krim wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZoS's definition of what is an exploit or what isn't is irrelevant to me.

Using Caltrops to stop siege damage and AOE was an exploit yet ZoS didn't ban anyone using it and it took them forever to fix it. I lost half my guild to that fiasco as well as my first campaign to it.

If we the players decide as a community that something is an exploit then that is an exploit to me. We all know ZoS never intended anything in the game to give people -~70% damage mitigation permanently as that would be OP as hell and every single player would have to do it in PvP...which would break PvP.

It's evident that ZoS doesn't have the manpower or the capability to research and ban players for exploiting mechanics like these so they instead just try as quickly as possible to fix the mechanic being abused and sweep all the public outcry under the rug.

Bug vs exploit.....

This... it is mind boggling how people don't understand the difference.... and well... game mechanics...

The problem with comparing a bug and an exploit is; When you know its a bug and has a benefit towards you and your group and you consistently use it, it then becomes an exploit and is cheating.

By saying its a bug and ill use it to my advantage without any repercussions is cheating plain and simple. you can attempt to sugar coat it all you want but once its a known community bug and you proceed to use it for your own benefit your cheating.

Sadae

This exploit is getting out of hand. It's so that I don't even want to PvP anymore. At every major skirmish it's the same thing; several AD using this exploit to run carefree through our ranks, drawing our attention, while their DPS comes in after to wreak havoc. (I'm sure DC and EP have exploiters too, but it's AD I always personally see using them.)

If you don't want people using exploits, then you need to ban the ones who do! As long as ZOS sits on the collective behinds, the only message they are sending is that it's okay to use exploits because ZOS won't do anything to you if you do.

The other problem is that MANY people are thinking tanks are overpowered, because they don't realize it's exploiters that they can't kill, not legitimate tanks. Even in the forums I've seen people crying to nerf tanks, when that's not the problem, and they don't even realize it.

Addressing this issue needs to be a top priority for ZOS. In the meantime have someone checking out the major skirmishes, and ban the exploiters you seeing running carefree through enemies lines not taking damage.

krim

Sadae wrote: »

This exploit is getting out of hand. It's so that I don't even want to PvP anymore. At every major skirmish it's the same thing; several AD using this exploit to run carefree through our ranks, drawing our attention, while their DPS comes in after to wreak havoc. (I'm sure DC and EP have exploiters too, but it's AD I always personally see using them.)

If you don't want people using exploits, then you need to ban the ones who do! As long as ZOS sits on the collective behinds, the only message they are sending is that it's okay to use exploits because ZOS won't do anything to you if you do.

The other problem is that MANY people are thinking tanks are overpowered, because they don't realize it's exploiters that they can't kill, not legitimate tanks. Even in the forums I've seen people crying to nerf tanks, when that's not the problem, and they don't even realize it.

Addressing this issue needs to be a top priority for ZOS. In the meantime have someone checking out the major skirmishes, and ban the exploiters you seeing running carefree through enemies lines not taking damage.

lol

Domander

Why is it taking so long for them to fix this? Exploits should be fixed, with top priority.

Columba

I would appreciate hearing whether this is of concern and on the known issues list.

Bezilar

Domander wrote: »

Why is it taking so long for them to fix this? Exploits should be fixed, with top priority.

Maybe it's not! Investigate, test, read...don't be a sheep to whoever is the loudest in life.

Columba

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Why is it taking so long for them to fix this? Exploits should be fixed, with top priority.

Maybe it's not! Investigate, test, read...don't be a sheep to whoever is the loudest in life.

Trust but verify - Ronald Reagan at the Rekevich talks

Ezareth

krim wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

ZoS's definition of what is an exploit or what isn't is irrelevant to me.

Using Caltrops to stop siege damage and AOE was an exploit yet ZoS didn't ban anyone using it and it took them forever to fix it. I lost half my guild to that fiasco as well as my first campaign to it.

If we the players decide as a community that something is an exploit then that is an exploit to me. We all know ZoS never intended anything in the game to give people -~70% damage mitigation permanently as that would be OP as hell and every single player would have to do it in PvP...which would break PvP.

It's evident that ZoS doesn't have the manpower or the capability to research and ban players for exploiting mechanics like these so they instead just try as quickly as possible to fix the mechanic being abused and sweep all the public outcry under the rug.

Bug vs exploit.....

An exploit is the knowing use of a bug to create an unfair competitive advantage over players.

Srugzal

Columba wrote: »

c.gregoryb14_ESO wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Why is it taking so long for them to fix this? Exploits should be fixed, with top priority.

Maybe it's not! Investigate, test, read...don't be a sheep to whoever is the loudest in life.

Trust but verify - Ronald Reagan at the Rekevich talks

Speaking of which, that wasn't Reagan's idea. He was quoting a Russian proverb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

Columba

That's why he used it with Gorbachev