Invulnerability exploit.

Baphomet

So, we've all seen this frequently in Cyrodiil, I assume - instances where your PC enemies simply don't take any damage even though you put 3000+ dmg into them.

Yesterday I caught someone by surprise and pull off a great opener which was dark flare (642 dmg) + binding javelin (242 dmg) + soul assault (3180 dmg). During this assault, the target did not fight back and was lying on the ground for most of the duration. Problem is that his health bar did not move - at all. And he wasn't healed either.

Subsequently he got up and started fighting back for a good 10-15 seconds until his mates came and ended the fight.

So, it definately was not a case of latency or desynching.

What is this kind of BS that we're seeing ever so often? Is it a phasing issue where you can see your enemy but not damage them, or is it that armor set stacking that more and more people are talking about?

Columba

I've seen this a lot lately. 6 lethal arrows in a row on a marked target doing no damage. Disgusting. Either a bug or an exploit burst clearly a problem.

moXrox

Maybe it is lag.

KariTR

Baphomet wrote: »

What is this kind of BS that we're seeing ever so often? Is it a phasing issue where you can see your enemy but not damage them

Quite possibly. Before a server (and maybe even client crash), your character will still appear present in game and yet in the midst of an enemy gank squad will take absolutely no damage whatsoever, so obviously isn't there at all.

Then the server crashes and people log back on and moan about 'rollbacks'. I don't complain, I quite enjoyed being invulnerable for a short while, even if my own attacks were ineffectual as well

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

Is not lag mate. And I thought it was me the other night.

I couldn't do damage on an NB with anything that I dropped on him and he wasn't on block either.

Pierce Armour just did 0 damage applying only the effect on him.However not a single spell hit him afterwards. Not even a single dot from Vampire Bane.

Tintinabula

Maybe he had that armor that just says "no".

Zadian

Tintinabula wrote: »

Maybe he had that armor that just says "no".

A lot of players seem to be using armor sets or skills that increase their chance to dodge up to a level where almost every attack gets dodged. Even without blocking. Makes fighting a bit boring and doesn't seem right, but with the completely broken game mechanics nothing that really surprises me.

Ezareth

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

Cody

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

yes. Their pathetic policy. A shame, but nothing we can do; besides hope ZOS gets their crap together.

JLB

Yeah it's a huge exploit and it's spreading out very quickly.

Jaxom

Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm seeing this zero damage occurrence more and more. I don't know if it's related to the mist exploit or not. For the people playing legit, the fact the bans on hacking/exploiting are non-existent, my patience is starting to run out for this game.

Columba

Jaxom wrote: »

Yeah, Unfortunately, I'm seeing this zero damage occurrence more and more. I don't know if it's related to the mist exploit or not. For the people playing legit, the fact the bans on hacking/exploiting are non-existent, my patience is starting to run out for this game.

Agreed. The game has become a cheat fest. We honest players are losing interest in playing. Wake up zenimax.

Dleatherus

moXrox wrote: »

Maybe it is lag.

it's NOT lag - have recently run across several individuals (funny how some of them happen to be the same ones that 'accidentally' caught the 30,000 damage point one-shot kill bug a few weeks also - I mean what are the odds?)

what i have been noticing is not only do they not take any damage from 4 people collectively hitting them with lethal arrow (which would take down any shields they would have), they then go through a phase where you can do some damage to them, but then they enter another phase when they get down to around 25% health where nobody in our group can hit them for more than 7-13 damage

they know they have it, and they know ESO's relatively lenient policy regarding exploiting - erm - i mean 'creatively manipulating game mechanics to create unintended results', that at most they'll get a warning/3-day ban

meanwhile for the rest of us who have the patience as well as passion for the game, we put up with this circus of exploiters

D.

Xsorus

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

lol...The VR8 one (we all know who it is) I got a video of me critting that one for 171 damage on Lethal Arrow, when they have no shields up and they're not blocking.

Columba

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

lol...The VR8 one (we all know who it is) I got a video of me critting that one for 171 damage on Lethal Arrow, when they have no shields up and they're not blocking.

The sickness is spreading. Several players beyond that VR8 have caught the ezmode exploit disease.

JLB

Yes, I found another player in EU the other day whom seemed immune to damage. Literally 2 minutes of straight DPS and him not doing anything but jumping around. As I said, it's spreading out too much.
And let me say once more in case somebody missed it, that video called Blinding Batz of certain Templar who is able to tank and survive and kill like 20+ players full DPSing him, is also using this FOTM exploit. Just need to check the damage numbers, rarely over 60dmg usually 4-15dmg hits, crits rarely over 200dmg.
Imo, these exploiters even daring to post a video like that, specially of a class that is still needing a lot of boosts, can't do anything worst for the class than using an exploit and pretending you can do that if skilled enough. They can go straight to hell. For tearing down all the effort non-exploiters do to get the right changes for the class.

And even risking becoming a boring broken record, the only chance we have to get a hotfix for this is to make the exploit public.
With a bit of luck it'll get fixed by 1.4. Don't count on any bans though.

LonePirate

Since no one has tagged the ZOS personnel ...

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Skwor

This is also an issue on the NA servers also.

Ezareth

LonePirate wrote: »

Since no one has tagged the ZOS personnel ...

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

We tagged them several times and they've thus far ignored us and a forum moderator closed the post because my video of the evidence named the character in question.

I have a even better clearcut video of a VR4 Templar who runs with that group using it. She had no shields up whatsoever and was taking 1/4 of the damage I should have been doing to her. I finnaly was able to kill her with a triple crit streak....crystal fragments, mages wrath explosion and disintegrate all crit at the exact same time. What normally would crit for 1100, 1000 and 1200 crit for 300, 250, and 300 all with no shield up.

When this evidence was recently presented to a game GM by another player they said the player was just "very skilled".

This is the exact sort of public relations that are making players quit the game in droves without any sort of hope that their issues will be resolved.

Cody

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

There is a Vampire Mistform exploit that many people are using. I have video of 4 people (all on EP on Thornblade) who are definitely exploiting it. One is a VR4 Templar, A VR8 Sorc, A VR3 Sorc, and a VR12 Sorc.

It's only going to get worse and instead of acknowledging this exploit and saying they're aware of an working on it they closed the thread for "Naming and shaming".

lol...The VR8 one (we all know who it is) I got a video of me critting that one for 171 damage on Lethal Arrow, when they have no shields up and they're not blocking.

how the heck.......... that is definitely off. the player you attacked was doing some kind of cheat.

Cody

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Since no one has tagged the ZOS personnel ...

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

We tagged them several times and they've thus far ignored us and a forum moderator closed the post because my video of the evidence named the character in question.

I have a even better clearcut video of a VR4 Templar who runs with that group using it. She had no shields up whatsoever and was taking 1/4 of the damage I should have been doing to her. I finnaly was able to kill her with a triple crit streak....crystal fragments, mages wrath explosion and disintegrate all crit at the exact same time. What normally would crit for 1100, 1000 and 1200 crit for 300, 250, and 300 all with no shield up.

When this evidence was recently presented to a game GM by another player they said the player was just "very skilled".

This is the exact sort of public relations that are making players quit the game in droves without any sort of hope that their issues will be resolved.

"very skilled"........ that is total crap. ah well, if ZOS does not start fulfilling their own danged part of the TOS, I can always go back to World of Warcraft:) ill give it a little more time....

Dleatherus

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Columba

the rampant, unchecked cheating and the everlasting bugs make this game not worth it anymore.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

Most cheaters try to hide their hacks. But if a game doesnt punish you for cheating there is no need to do so anymore.
Expect more obvious hacks coming soon when the words spreads in their forums (if it already hasnt)

Jaxom

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

Braidas

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

LonePirate wrote: »

Since no one has tagged the ZOS personnel ...

@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

We tagged them several times and they've thus far ignored us and a forum moderator closed the post because my video of the evidence named the character in question.

I have a even better clearcut video of a VR4 Templar who runs with that group using it. She had no shields up whatsoever and was taking 1/4 of the damage I should have been doing to her. I finnaly was able to kill her with a triple crit streak....crystal fragments, mages wrath explosion and disintegrate all crit at the exact same time. What normally would crit for 1100, 1000 and 1200 crit for 300, 250, and 300 all with no shield up.

When this evidence was recently presented to a game GM by another player they said the player was just "very skilled".

This is the exact sort of public relations that are making players quit the game in droves without any sort of hope that their issues will be resolved.

so according to tht gm mist form exploit is legit? wow gj zos

Armitas

Jaxom wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - VR9 sorc who's name blinks very fast - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

For those of you dealing with this guy, has most of the invulnerability occurred at under 50% health, or above 50% health? Did the invulnerability increase as his health went down? Also has he ever been this invulnerable while also not using any skills of any kind?

I thought of a way to achieve something close to this a month ago. I wanted to try it out and report it but I did not have the resources to do what it would take for testing. (non pvp testing)

Jaxom

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - VR9 sorc who's name blinks very fast - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

For those of you dealing with this guy, has most of the invulnerability occurred at under 50% health, or above 50% health? Also has he ever been this invulnerable while also not using any skills of any kind?

I thought of a way to achieve something close to this a month ago. I wanted to try it out and report it but I did not have the resources to do what it would take for testing. (non pvp testing)

For me, it was below 25%. Seemed to take damage fine up until that point. I'm not positive what his build was but it was pretty standard (Endless Fury, Streak, Crystal Shards, Veracious Curse). I'm not sure if there is a combo he is doing to bug it out or if it has to do with armor sets not working correctly. I really couldn't tell you.

Armitas

Jaxom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - VR9 sorc who's name blinks very fast - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

For those of you dealing with this guy, has most of the invulnerability occurred at under 50% health, or above 50% health? Also has he ever been this invulnerable while also not using any skills of any kind?

I thought of a way to achieve something close to this a month ago. I wanted to try it out and report it but I did not have the resources to do what it would take for testing. (non pvp testing)

For me, it was below 25%. Seemed to take damage fine up until that point. I'm not positive what his build was but it was pretty standard (Endless Fury, Streak, Crystal Shards, Veracious Curse). I'm not sure if there is a combo he is doing to bug it out or if it has to do with armor sets not working correctly. I really couldn't tell you.

That part that made his defense go up toward the end was an addition to the game that came after I had the thought of the mentioned broken build. Making it even worse. I'll go ahead and report my thought, even though I don't have the resources to test it, they can test it. If a mod is reading I have titled the ticket the same as the thread.

Jaxom

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - VR9 sorc who's name blinks very fast - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

For those of you dealing with this guy, has most of the invulnerability occurred at under 50% health, or above 50% health? Also has he ever been this invulnerable while also not using any skills of any kind?

I thought of a way to achieve something close to this a month ago. I wanted to try it out and report it but I did not have the resources to do what it would take for testing. (non pvp testing)

For me, it was below 25%. Seemed to take damage fine up until that point. I'm not positive what his build was but it was pretty standard (Endless Fury, Streak, Crystal Shards, Veracious Curse). I'm not sure if there is a combo he is doing to bug it out or if it has to do with armor sets not working correctly. I really couldn't tell you.

That part that made his defense go up toward the end was an addition to the game that came after I had the thought of the mentioned broken build. Making it even worse. I'll go ahead and report my thought, even though I don't have the resources to test it, they can test it.

So is this a "clever" use of mechanics thus technically working as the game describes or is this a bug you are thinking of? I dont want to know exactly, just curious if it's "working as intended."

Armitas

Jaxom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Dleatherus wrote: »

as an update tonight the gentleman in question - VR9 sorc who's name blinks very fast - 8 of us on him tonight - we get him down to 2% health - and hitting him with soul assault/snipes/venom arrows whilst he is STUNNED and helpless on the ground - HEAVY dps from EIGHT players whilst he is helpless on the ground at 2% health - and he just gets up and blinks away lol

D.

Well that explains it from the other day. Was fighting him 1v1, he blinked away and I caught up to him. Had a nice little fight going on, got him down to about 10%, hit my Impale 2-3 times and it didn't do anything. I died and immediately got a tell from him gloating a bit. I brushed it off and continued on my way but something didn't feel right about that fight.

For those of you dealing with this guy, has most of the invulnerability occurred at under 50% health, or above 50% health? Also has he ever been this invulnerable while also not using any skills of any kind?

I thought of a way to achieve something close to this a month ago. I wanted to try it out and report it but I did not have the resources to do what it would take for testing. (non pvp testing)

For me, it was below 25%. Seemed to take damage fine up until that point. I'm not positive what his build was but it was pretty standard (Endless Fury, Streak, Crystal Shards, Veracious Curse). I'm not sure if there is a combo he is doing to bug it out or if it has to do with armor sets not working correctly. I really couldn't tell you.

That part that made his defense go up toward the end was an addition to the game that came after I had the thought of the mentioned broken build. Making it even worse. I'll go ahead and report my thought, even though I don't have the resources to test it, they can test it.

So is this a "clever" use of mechanics thus technically working as the game describes or is this a bug you are thinking of? I dont want to know exactly, just curious if it's "working as intended."

Clever use. It is a compilation of individually legitimate things to make a truly broken thing. After reporting it in detail I saw how bad it could really be. Endless supply of magicka, and nearly endless stamina, and if you were to add all the defenses it would be huge in the worst possible case of it. Throw blocking into the mix and just wow.