Add children to ESO?

Laura

Yes, add them

I don't really want to see them die but they should add them.

At the very least have them trigger the justice system. I doubt they would take the time to do this though.

Csub

Elyna wrote: »

If they do add them. Dont make them be annoying little brats.

Or make them annoying AND killable. :P

AlexDougherty

Yes, add them

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

If they ever do add children they won't be killable, they won't be attackable in fact.

I would to see children, but they would need to keep them in safe places, well away from harm.

Srugzal

Yes, add them

AlexDougherty wrote: »

I would to see children, but they would need to keep them in safe places, well away from harm.

I agree with you, but there's a problem. A lot of the main towns start out unsafe or having recently been attacked, like Riften or Velyen Harbor. A lot of the places you might expect to see children, like in remote farming communities, there are nothing but corpses, burned out houses, or worse, captives you need to free, with daedra mobs roaming about. No child corpses, please. The fact is, there is nowhere in Tamriel that's safe, at least not at first. This may be why they decided that having children, even non-interactive ones, would complicate things unnecessarily.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I would mostly go along with that, for most it poses little or no risk, but for the dangerous few it might add risk.

One of the toughest things in a liberal democracy is balancing what can be viewed harmlessly by the relatively sane majority against what might act as a trigger to the less stable minority.

I think the real issue is just that, there will always be an unpredictable factor in any society. Why do some religious fanatics blow themselves up while others spend their lives broke because they give everything they own to others in kindness?

I have no idea. But I do believe that action taken based on fear of reprisal, or possible negative effect (if in the minority of chances) is and will always be the wrong action.

Actions should be taken for the positive outcome, not in fear of the negative. (IMHO).

~Mal

rynth

No, don't add them

I voted no,

simply because this is an MMO and some sick S.O.B. would do inappropriate comments and actions to the child npcs thinking it was funny or well because they are sick in zone chat, "say" chat, or using emotes

sad really that we don't have them because it would be nice seeing children play around the towns and interact with the animals. But, too many inappropriate things be said or done ingame.

Rune_Relic

Errm guys and gals,

In game we have murder, genocide, slavery, alcohol and drug abuse, theft, animal cruelty and I am sure many other unacceptable practices in a normal world. Amy line you draw is just a point where you personally draw a line....ie opinion.

TES games do not have an opinion. TES games simply allow, and let the player decide what is and is not OK. Hence many quests put you in a moral dilemma that shapes future quests.

So yes I find the request for mortal children disturbing as much as most of you and cant understand it, but that (and other moral dilemmas) is exactly what TES games leave for you to decide in game.

/Shrugs... I see both sides... not comfortable with the consequences though.

Gillysan

No, don't add them

Why would a bunch of neckbeards want children in their game? *scratches his neckbeard in an irritated fashion*

AlexDougherty

Yes, add them

Gillysan wrote: »

Why would a bunch of neckbeards want children in their game? *scratches his neckbeard in an irritated fashion*

To round out the world, it's more than a bit suspicious that everyone springs into the game a fully grown adult. Where are the children, the teenagers, the babies?

But they would have to protect them from harm, or the various media would have a field day with the negaitive PR.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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Gillysan wrote: »

Why would a bunch of neckbeards want children in their game? *scratches his neckbeard in an irritated fashion*

To round out the world, it's more than a bit suspicious that everyone springs into the game a fully grown adult. Where are the children, the teenagers, the babies?

But they would have to protect them from harm, or the various media would have a field day with the negaitive PR.

No the media wouldn't generate negative PR just look at the hunger games movies with 12-14 year olds slaughtering each other for a contest.

People love it.

No, it would only generate positive media.

AlexDougherty

Yes, add them

Malpherian wrote: »

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AlexDougherty wrote: »

Gillysan wrote: »

Why would a bunch of neckbeards want children in their game? *scratches his neckbeard in an irritated fashion*

To round out the world, it's more than a bit suspicious that everyone springs into the game a fully grown adult. Where are the children, the teenagers, the babies?

But they would have to protect them from harm, or the various media would have a field day with the negaitive PR.

No the media wouldn't generate negative PR just look at the hunger games movies with 12-14 year olds slaughtering each other for a contest.

People love it.

No, it would only generate positive media.

Films and Games are treated differently, no reporter has ever said that someone killed thirty classmates because they watched a film.

But they constantly say that about computer games, despite the fact that it's nearly always the victim that played the game, not the killer. In fact I know of only one case where it was the killer who played a violent computer game. All the other cases, the reporters got it wrong.

Sorry, end of opinionated rant.

Tavore1138

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SuraklinPrime wrote: »

I would mostly go along with that, for most it poses little or no risk, but for the dangerous few it might add risk.

One of the toughest things in a liberal democracy is balancing what can be viewed harmlessly by the relatively sane majority against what might act as a trigger to the less stable minority.

I think the real issue is just that, there will always be an unpredictable factor in any society. Why do some religious fanatics blow themselves up while others spend their lives broke because they give everything they own to others in kindness?

I have no idea. But I do believe that action taken based on fear of reprisal, or possible negative effect (if in the minority of chances) is and will always be the wrong action.

Actions should be taken for the positive outcome, not in fear of the negative. (IMHO).

~Mal

Once again I tend to agree, but we don't have to make those decisions or explain to the parents of some dead kid. Which is why businessmen & politicians sometimes take the risk averse approach where the idealist might think otherwise.

jelliedsoup

AlexDougherty wrote: »

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Malpherian wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Gillysan wrote: »

Why would a bunch of neckbeards want children in their game? *scratches his neckbeard in an irritated fashion*

To round out the world, it's more than a bit suspicious that everyone springs into the game a fully grown adult. Where are the children, the teenagers, the babies?

But they would have to protect them from harm, or the various media would have a field day with the negaitive PR.

No the media wouldn't generate negative PR just look at the hunger games movies with 12-14 year olds slaughtering each other for a contest.

People love it.

No, it would only generate positive media.

Films and Games are treated differently, no reporter has ever said that someone killed thirty classmates because they watched a film.

But they constantly say that about computer games, despite the fact that it's nearly always the victim that played the game, not the killer. In fact I know of only one case where it was the killer who played a violent computer game. All the other cases, the reporters got it wrong.

Sorry, end of opinionated rant.

They need a snippet for a news story, don't want to actually identify the problems.

Romo

No, don't add them

Malpherian wrote: »

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But pixilated images on a screen are not actually kids. Yes hurting kids is sick... But hurting pixilated images? Do Pixles have rights or thoughts or emotions? Does the NPC cry and miss it's husband when I kill an evil Cultest?

No.... They don;t because they are not real. So why would someone killing a pixilated child be any different? Then killing the husband of some pixilated woman because hes a worm cultist?

Hmmmm,,, think this demonstrates why we need an ignore button on the forums.

KitLightning

No, don't add them

Somehow I'm certain that if "children" (as an NP) was added, then the "emotions" or certain of those animations, would have to be removed...

Requiemslove

Yes, add them

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

Why do you want to kill children in ESO?

This question I ask to anyone in the "yes add them but make them a potential target" category.

Children of all races should be in the settlements and public areas of ESO, and should also maybe get in to situations where help would be appreciated, and in some of those situations, should be killable, only its your quest to protect the child/ren. My question remains. Why do some of you want to do harm to the younger generation?

cyclonus11

No, don't add them

Killable children were removed from Skyrim for a reason. They couldn't sell the game in some parts of the world, since some countries ban depictions of violence against children.

ArRashid

Yes, add them

I don't even understand these ratings...

Witcher 2 - rated M.
Full of profanity, drug usage, erotic scenes, violence, ... everyone being highly suspicious and happy to see your back, even though you just saved their village from bloodthirsty monsters.. fitting grim times

ESO - rated M.
No profanity, no sex, no blood&gore.. everyone is perfectly nice to each other, naive as a newborn, showing mercy to everyone, even guys who just massacred half your village..


I mean, what the heck.. this game could be MUCH more interesting for adult players.. it's already rated as such, so why not actually acknowledge it?
IF there even are children playing, they are NOT SUPPOSED TO, and it's THEIR PARENTS' FAULT. There are dozens of MMOs targeting children.. I'd very much like to see one for actual adults.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

cyclonus11 wrote: »

Killable children were removed from Skyrim for a reason. They couldn't sell the game in some parts of the world, since some countries ban depictions of violence against children.

And thats why us modders made the "Killable Children Patch". Because the governments policy can't stop Freeware, and people right to choose to download something of their own volition and will...

Don't worry Zenni and Beth, the Modders got your back, when Big Brother steps on it! Well come in and re-add what they made you remove

cyclonus11

No, don't add them

Then make an add-on for it, as long as I can have an add-on that keeps me from seeing it.

Requiemslove

Yes, add them

Yes to children in game. NO to them being killable.

Seriously though, child killing in games is not cool. Even in the worst of times, when it seems doing so would be the most humane thing to do its still really hard to actually go and do it. I know this having experienced it in the walking dead game, series 1, and now I will not say any more as I hate spoiling games for people.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

Requiemslove wrote: »

Yes to children in game. NO to them being killable.

Seriously though, child killing in games is not cool. Even in the worst of times, when it seems doing so would be the most humane thing to do its still really hard to actually go and do it. I know this having experienced it in the walking dead game, series 1, and now I will not say any more as I hate spoiling games for people.

ITS A GAME NOT REALITY!!!

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ThEgg

This is a silly discussion. I gave up in the middle of page one because of the ridiculousness. Here's an idea: to be murdered is not a good function of adding children to a game. Also, you've got to consider the massive nightmare that is what the public might think to a company adding children to a game with no other function than to be killed. It adds nothing to the game. If you cite immersion as the reason, then I am inclined to believe that there is indeed something wrong with you.

I'd vote for yes add children, give them meaning to the world. Quest givers, informants (who's got the biggest pockets to pick/most valuables in their homes/ rumors a-la Skyrim), and maybe even the merchant to a store front. That's immersion. No to killing them, it's pointless.

BodeanG

Yes, add them

Tabbycat wrote: »

Add children yes. Make them invincible.

Agreed.

I find it disturbing, that although this is a game and make believe, others wish to "rampage" on children NPCs.

KleanZlate

No, don't add them

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

I said no because of the opening statement. You may like to kill children in game but this isn't a single player game like Skyrim and I'm not interested in seeing other players killing children. Keep that **** as your personal fantasy please.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

vestmanneb17_ESO wrote: »

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Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

I said no because of the opening statement. You may like to kill children in game but this isn't a single player game like Skyrim and I'm not interested in seeing other players killing children. Keep that **** as your personal fantasy please.

But what if his personal fantasies crosses with yours because the child you wanted to adopt was on his hit list, and as you were signing the papers at the orphanage an arrow came out of nowhere and pierced the kids skull from back to front killing them instantly.

For you it would be emotionally devastating.
For the assassin, it would just be another paycheck.
For me.. Your tears would taste delicious.But I am one sick puppy.

Hurbster

No, don't add them

Oh yeah, the Daily Mail will just love this, I can imagine the headlines now...


"Sick internet game allows child murder".

First of all the game will get banned in Germany and Australia - and there will be a public outcry and possibly a governmental review as MPs jump on the latest controversy bandwagon. Millions will be wiped off Zenimax stock - the directors will not be happy. The game gets pulled while changes have to be made, but it's too late and sub numbers never recover and the game gets pulled before it can do Zenimax any more damage.

So, no I don't think this is a good idea.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

Hurbster wrote: »

Oh yeah, the Daily Mail will just love this, I can imagine the headlines now...


"Sick internet game allows child murder".

First of all the game will get banned in Germany and Australia - and there will be a public outcry and possibly a governmental review as MPs jump on the latest controversy bandwagon. Millions will be wiped off Zenimax stock - the directors will not be happy. The game gets pulled while changes have to be made, but it's too late and sub numbers never recover and the game gets pulled before it can do Zenimax any more damage.

So, no I don't think this is a good idea.

Honestly I think that's a bit overdone. Australia and Germany will not ban any game rated M or "adult" for any reason regardless of content. They Ban games rated T for such content. ESO is rated M which inherently covers that type of content as a possibility in it's Genre and basis.

They didn't ban GTA 5. I seriously doubt they will ban ESO.

nerevarine1138

No, don't add them

Malpherian wrote: »

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cyclonus11 wrote: »

Killable children were removed from Skyrim for a reason. They couldn't sell the game in some parts of the world, since some countries ban depictions of violence against children.

And thats why us modders made the "Killable Children Patch". Because the governments policy can't stop Freeware, and people right to choose to download something of their own volition and will...

Don't worry Zenni and Beth, the Modders got your back, when Big Brother steps on it! Well come in and re-add what they made you remove

Yes, that was a really valuable effort there. Good for you. You made a mod that allowed people to slaughter children. What a great political statement. I'm sure Gandhi would be proud.

Hurbster

No, don't add them

No, you are talking about CHILD MURDER. You obviously have no idea what the press is like and how they will latch on to this. Fallout had children made invisible and unkillable in the UK and German editions.

Also, the GTA series has never had children in.