Add children to ESO?

Sacadon

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Add children, make them killable.

I would even go so far as to suggest babies. That scream, and can be silenced.

smeep, my wife and kids laughed very hard about this masterful response. For those who cannot resist twisting my words into something unintended, we laughed because we assumed it was a great way to be extreme about a heated subject and in a way that was obviously not serious in anyway. My vote on this is no touchy/taboo subjects in this game at least for now.

Shinozuka

Yes, add them

I am pro children

Durham

No, don't add them

ers101284b14_ESO wrote: »

Why the ***** **** **** ** ***** **** ** do you need children?

I have to agree.... Why and seriously there are 13123323233 more important things to worry about...

Zershar_Vemod

Yes, add them

Lynx7386 wrote: »

This game is rated M not Teen. If you can't handle an adult game go play world of warcraft.

You're right, this game is rated M. Mature people, at least mature -sane- people, dont think about murdering children.

Angsty depressed teens do.

You never played Skyrim / spent time in Whiterun I take it?

Zorrashi

Yes, add them

Venereous44 wrote: »

BBSooner wrote: »

Just what we need, morons on crappy news channels throwing up decency alerts because ESO let's you kill kids.

That's right.. lets cater to those idiots and start to have them dictate what's in our games.

The warnings on the box are like a check list for whether the game is any good...

Violence, check
Drugs, check.
Foul language, check
What!! no killing of kids!?!?

Its just a stupid taboo anyway.. [...]
There are plenty of classics about kids dying.. Lord of the flies? = kids killing kids...

That thing about kids killing kids meant something. A message.
The Lord of Flies included the killing of children to help express the brutality that can be kindled within those left in a certain non-civilized environment. The stress and partial insanity (or, depending on interpretation, the loss of moral conditioning that the 'adult' civilized world imparted on them) that lead to those same murders is supposed to express to how primal that savagery is and how it is unbefitting of anyone who has the ability and conditions to act on some sort of ethical code. The book ended with them being rescued and being reproached by the officer for loosing all reverence for civility. Then he turned away from them in order for them to compose themselves after they began sobbing shamefully for what they have done (and the joy of being saved).

The Lord of Flies helps express the primal horror of our primal condition, and provides reason to why things like civility should be encouraged/enforced. If anything, Lord of the Flies should provide reason to not permit the blatant killing of children.

Keep in mind, even though in-game mechanics will likely allocate a bounty on the person who commits the crime, those systems mean nothing to the respective "Jacks"(few they may be) in the community. I'm not saying the rest of us are "Simons" or even "Ralphs" in comparison, but many of us do not like the brutality represented by the "Jacks" none the less.

[Again, there is likely a way to have children implemented as being killable in certain instances as more of story device than any potential NPC kill spree for some random guy that some other person will use to categorize/demonize the rest of us. But having them put on the same level as the other killable NPCs we usually see does give rise to discussion and certain amounts of protest.]

Naivefanboi

Lmao yea add kids right after thieves guild and dark brotherhood, remeber when that wqs gonna be in ESO? Lmao
Oh well least they fix stuff and add content

Artis

Yes, add them

Add them. The fact there're none kinda breaks the immersion, don't you think?

Lynnessa

Yes, add them

We could have a new dungeon that has you undertake a quest to liberate Tamriel's children from the Black Marsh sweatshop in which they currently languish!

Tempest

Yes, add them

Yes absolutely add them!

Iselin

No, don't add them

Only if I can fatten them up and use them in provisioning recipes

(and yes, I'm a Bosmer)

Elder_III

No, don't add them

There are enough childish people playing the game, I don't want NPC children too. /endsarcasm

The poo storm from the media isn't worth it if they add children and make them killable. Nor is the lost development time worth it when actual useful things that the game needs could be added instead. (working LFG, Shield Dye, fixed skills, etc)

Layenem

I always hate how these polls don't have an "I don't really care either way" option as it reflects what a portion of us feel.

*I don't care. That doesn't mean "why are we even having this discussion..." That simply means "If they are then cool, now you have to deal with their coding to make sure they don't PvP us to the ground on accident when JS is fully in game; if they don't awesome, no further issues." And with that, I don't care.*

seanvwolf

No, don't add them

Inversus wrote: »

(unfortunately invincible) children

Advocating for the ability to enact virtual violence against virtual children is still sick. I'm disgusted.

Yusuf

No, don't add them

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Add children, make them killable.

I would even go so far as to suggest babies. That scream, and can be silenced.

You, Sir, have big issues

Moonshadow66

No, don't add them

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

For your given reasons, I voted "no".

For any other reasons, I probably would vote "why not"; if there are there, it's fine to me, if not, then it's ok, too.

Yusuf

No, don't add them

Raygee wrote: »

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

For your given reasons, I voted "no".

For any other reasons, I probably would vote "why not"; if there are there, it's fine to me, if not, then it's ok, too.

I didn't read the OP, now i wish i could change my vote

BBSooner

Antiquity wrote: »

I hope all of the people who wouldn't want them to be killable never read Lord of the Flies, or many great classic works of literature. Don't play Fallout 1 or 2, either. So many great writers, developers, and movie directors would probably be locked up and their works destroyed, if you guys had your way.

That said, children shouldn't be added in my opinion for two reasons: 1) If they were added they'd more than likely be invincible, which would be weird with other npcs becoming mortal soon; 2) I feel as though there are far larger issues at hand with game mechanics etc.

Edit: Someone beat me to LotF. But lets lock up Nicholson for his role in The Shining, too! Maybe Stephen King for writing it, as well.

Nobody is book burning here, please try to keep hyperbole to a minimum. Also, there is a difference between children dying in works of literature and indiscriminate killing in a game, surely that's clear. The same case could be made for most heinous crimes that aren't already numb to society.

Shinozuka

Yes, add them

Add the kiddos. Make them un killable. If you so desire. I don't care if you all kill them or not. They are pixels. But i think the NPCs should make kids.

roltus

They shouldn't be added if you can't kill them. Otherwise I don't care, as long as they're not part of quests.

Mordria

No, don't add them

Just leave them out. The game is fine without them.

Lovelyn

Yes, add them

I think it's not a bad idea. Just don't make them annoying as some of the actual children playing here, and please not crying all the time.. cooing is cute for babies. I thought the same thing about the cradle. And why not? Anything is possible with role-play... even stealing 'imaginary' children and making them into little blood-fiends. It happens all of the time with or without them. When I have a house... it better be cooler than Fable 2... or I'll quit, I swear!

rylixav

Malpherian wrote: »

That, is psychotic, and Delusional. and anyone advocating in game children should be treated with the same moral and ethical respect as RL children have something seriously wrong with them. As in this case it would be obvious they are unable to separate "fantasy" from "reality".

In order for that to be even remotely valid you'd need to make it immoral to kill cultist, animals and everything else in the game, Else your a delusional hypocritical psychopath.

And if ZOS did that the game would be unplayable.

You're right. It is psychotic and delusional, and anyone who can't separate fantasy from reality has extreme mental problems. Unfortunately, that happens to be an accurate description of almost every single newspaper, TV news station, academic, public intellectual, politician, civil servant, journalist, and celebrity in the entire Western world.

And that's the problem.

DaniAngione

Yes, add them

I agree with adding children...

However, this - this is so freaking true:

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There will already be unkillable NPCs in the game once the justice system goes in - bankers and other important vendors and NPCs will be excluded from murder to prevent abuse.

Unkillable children would fit right in. Saying that adding them but not making them killable is a 'game killer' just shows how mentally damaged you are.

There are NPCs in the game that flirt with you, do you also want little girls running around coming onto your character? Or maybe you'd also like to see child soldiers in cyrodiil? Maybe next we can also add parent NPCs getting drunk and beating their children to death?

You can say it's "not real" all you want, but the fact is that sensitive moral situations like this are -always- left out of games because of the implications they can have on the game's developers in the real world. Adding killable children essentially says that zenimax (and/or bethesda) support violence against children. It will never happen.

Bloodfang

No, don't add them

Add them if you want, I could care less.

The ones in Skyrim I found so annoying I just wanted to just kill them and be done with it.

Seriously though adding kids to ESO is 1 day's work. So I don't really mind, that wouldn't cause any delay with other far more important features.

Antiquity

No, don't add them

BBSooner wrote: »

Antiquity wrote: »

I hope all of the people who wouldn't want them to be killable never read Lord of the Flies, or many great classic works of literature. Don't play Fallout 1 or 2, either. So many great writers, developers, and movie directors would probably be locked up and their works destroyed, if you guys had your way.

That said, children shouldn't be added in my opinion for two reasons: 1) If they were added they'd more than likely be invincible, which would be weird with other npcs becoming mortal soon; 2) I feel as though there are far larger issues at hand with game mechanics etc.

Edit: Someone beat me to LotF. But lets lock up Nicholson for his role in The Shining, too! Maybe Stephen King for writing it, as well.

Nobody is book burning here, please try to keep hyperbole to a minimum. Also, there is a difference between children dying in works of literature and indiscriminate killing in a game, surely that's clear. The same case could be made for most heinous crimes that aren't already numb to society.

So then, you're saying that video games can't be thought of as a form of art, in the same vein as books? Some books -do- include indiscriminate killing as a plot device. Same with movies. This game has many RPers, and maybe they would want to use it as such.

No, no one is book burning. But when one tries to draw lines when it comes to this sort of thing, they become very blurry. Censorship, in every way shape and form is a terrible thing. Who gets to draw the lines? Who gets to move them? Why is one opinion more valid than another?

Literal book burning, no. But it's the same vein of thinking that encourages censorship of every type of media, which I think is a very sad thing.

On a side note, I'd like to add that I'm very morally outraged by everybody's moral outrage about a thing that could happen in a pretend world. <- This should demonstrate why moral outrage is a silly, silly thing. We could go on like this forever, being all angry back and forth. About something that isn't even -real-. Go spend all your moral outrage on a hotbutton political topic, or something else that actually affects real life.

otis67

No, don't add them

Have you lost your damn mind,wanting to include children in your rampages. You sir are an idiot.

Darkonflare15

No, don't add them

Inversus wrote: »

Skyrim had (unfortunately invincible) children, and it feels like something's missing in ESO
With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

No, because children are annoying. Just like how children was annoying in Fable 1. Ahhh I can still here them British brats calling me chicken chaser

Skullemainia

Yes, add them

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

killable children..., isn't that a little bit rude? I still cry at night cause I accidentally shot an arrow in the face of a little child in skyrim.

EQBallzz

No, don't add them

No to children in game. If you want children just stay on the forums. BA DA BING!

AlexDougherty

Yes, add them

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

Um, the only logical choices????
Logical????

There are four choices, each equally logical or illogical.

1. Leave Children out of the Game.
2. Add Children but make them unkillable.
3. Add Children and make them Killable
4. Add children and make some of them Killable.

Now socially the last two are unacceptable, and I personally don't want them (yeah, I didn't use that mod in Skyrim, didn't even know it existed)(wouldn't have interested me if I had known).

The Second is harder to do than the First, but worth it in my opinion, it would give villages and cities a more lived in feel.