Add children to ESO?

ZOS_TristanK

Hi, folks. We are interested in your feedback and suggestions, but, as this can be a sensitive subject, we wanted to pop in and gently remind everyone to post with our Code of Conduct in mind. We particularly want to call out that it is never acceptable to discuss real-life or extreme violence on the ESO forums.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

Psychobunni

No, don't add them

Lynx7386 wrote: »

You're right, this game is rated M. Mature people, at least mature -sane- people, dont think about murdering children.

Angsty depressed teens do.

THAT!

Kos

Yes, add them

I think adding many kids would improve the lag issue

Inversus

Yes, add them

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

No, it would be ok for them to add invulnerable children imo
if they were going to add them, they probably would end up being invulnerable (for obvious reasons) despite some players wanting otherwise

maybe we could have a killable children server and an invulnerable children server... (<joke btw)

Lynx7386

There will already be unkillable NPCs in the game once the justice system goes in - bankers and other important vendors and NPCs will be excluded from murder to prevent abuse.

Unkillable children would fit right in. Saying that adding them but not making them killable is a 'game killer' just shows how mentally damaged you are.

There are NPCs in the game that flirt with you, do you also want little girls running around coming onto your character? Or maybe you'd also like to see child soldiers in cyrodiil? Maybe next we can also add parent NPCs getting drunk and beating their children to death?

You can say it's "not real" all you want, but the fact is that sensitive moral situations like this are -always- left out of games because of the implications they can have on the game's developers in the real world. Adding killable children essentially says that zenimax (and/or bethesda) support violence against children. It will never happen.

Demira

Yes, add them

I was wondering where the children was at ...I told someone in guild they was being raised in a dark deep cave that no one has discovered yet! :P

Tandor

No, don't add them

If it's total immersion and realism people are after, then it's toilets that need to be added. Only the post-apocalyptic games ever seem to have toilets, and they're always smashed up.

KhajitFurTrader

Inversus wrote: »

With the upcoming update (aka the justice system) I'd love to be able to include children NPCs in my rampages (the game's already rated mature, so this wouldn't be much of an issue) - perhaps they could even add extra bounty

Wait, what? You want to, Léon: The Professional like, train children as assassins and send them on rampages under your command? Then you want to reap in the bounties they collect?

Dude, that's totally cool.

I'm glad you didn't mean the other thing, since that would make you a [expletive deleted] [expletive deleted]! :P

Tavore1138

At the risk of being told off I would like to point out the word they snipped was neither a profanity or a curse word, if it offended on some other level (in a thread advocating pixelated child murder) then so be it, but I don't swear on these forums, I am not that crass.

epoling

Yes, add them

Invincible, non-killable children would make for some nice stories. The ability to show off how sick and twisted you are by murdering children should not be part of it. Rated "M" does not mean rated "Psychopath". There are actions that are not acceptable by stable, mature adults.

Nox_Aeterna

Yes, add them

Tandor wrote: »

If it's total immersion and realism people are after, then it's toilets that need to be added. Only the post-apocalyptic games ever seem to have toilets, and they're always smashed up.

You could have said fallout is awesome with less words :P.

Dimitrie

No, don't add them

This is what I'm talking about with this game. It's going to fail hard and the peeps saying yes are idiots. These developers and players are more worried about freaking CHILDREN.. really kids? in an mmo. Rather than worry about fixing the main pvp issues, the bugs, the constant crashing I mean the least goes on. SO what they do is the bring new content useless stupid *** to get our attention away from everything else that makes this game what it is. How about you focus on the game's content as we speak and fix what needs to be fixed to make the game better then worry about new content. All you people out there focusing on new content and putting up suggestions and just playing right into their hands, you are more responsible and the reason for games like these failing and crashing. Good Job!!!

nerevarine1138

No, don't add them

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

I have to say that I'm more worried about the person whose enjoyment of a game is predicated on or enhanced by their ability to engage in virtual child-killing fantasies.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

Lynx7386 wrote: »

There will already be unkillable NPCs in the game once the justice system goes in - bankers and other important vendors and NPCs will be excluded from murder to prevent abuse.

Unkillable children would fit right in. Saying that adding them but not making them killable is a 'game killer' just shows how mentally damaged you are.

There are NPCs in the game that flirt with you, do you also want little girls running around coming onto your character? Or maybe you'd also like to see child soldiers in cyrodiil? Maybe next we can also add parent NPCs getting drunk and beating their children to death?

You can say it's "not real" all you want, but the fact is that sensitive moral situations like this are -always- left out of games because of the implications they can have on the game's developers in the real world. Adding killable children essentially says that zenimax (and/or bethesda) support violence against children. It will never happen.

Sure why not? might add to the immersion can even get in trouble for hiring under age prostitutes. Let's just go all out here.

theyancey

No, don't add them

I come here to GET AWAY from rug rats and curtain crawlers.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

I have to say that I'm more worried about the person whose enjoyment of a game is predicated on or enhanced by their ability to engage in virtual child-killing fantasies.

I'm not, it's good therapy. If they can live out their fantasies in the digital fantasy world it means they are not doing it in Real life.

Which I think we can all agree would be infinitely preferable.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Yes, add them

I say add them. I don't care if they're invincible; it looks odd without them and once I noticed they weren't there it became hard to STOP noticing.

bosmern_ESO

No, don't add them

Skyrim Is the only ES game to have them, they're really just a nuisance and get in the way.

Tavore1138

Malpherian wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

I have to say that I'm more worried about the person whose enjoyment of a game is predicated on or enhanced by their ability to engage in virtual child-killing fantasies.

I'm not, it's good therapy. If they can live out their fantasies in the digital fantasy world it means they are not doing it in Real life.

Which I think we can all agree would be infinitely preferable.

Depends on which theories you favour, some suggest that repeatedly acting out such fantasies make it more likely to follow through in real life - although that assumes some pre-existing tendencies in that direction.

MrDenimChicken

Yes, add them

Yes, it would definitely add immersion to the game.

indytims_ESO

Yes, add them

Children, not killable.

But really, if adding them would take time away from other more important needs, then I'd change my vote to a No.

Malpherian

Yes, add them

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

I have to say that I'm more worried about the person whose enjoyment of a game is predicated on or enhanced by their ability to engage in virtual child-killing fantasies.

I'm not, it's good therapy. If they can live out their fantasies in the digital fantasy world it means they are not doing it in Real life.

Which I think we can all agree would be infinitely preferable.

Depends on which theories you favour, some suggest that repeatedly acting out such fantasies make it more likely to follow through in real life - although that assumes some pre-existing tendencies in that direction.

This is true, it is also theorized that eventually they would seek to pursue and fulfill the fantasy as a reality.

However all research done on the subject generally (in the majority of test subjects) shows that enacting out a fantasy (mental or psychological) such as violence, sexual acts, and other anti social behavior in a virtual construct (GTA etc for example), reduces an individuals tendency to enact such in the real world, thus having and given an avenue to vent full any such Anti social, psychotic or otherwise unhealthy fantasies is seen in a majority of subjects to have a positive effect on their lives and the lives of others around them.

Karnus

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

I say add them. I don't care if they're invincible; it looks odd without them and once I noticed they weren't there it became hard to STOP noticing.

Pretty much this, making them unkillable is fine with me. I don't care to see pixels of dead kids, I sometimes even go out of my way to not kill wolves because I like dogs... which reminds me, I would love to be able to acquire a wolf pet through a quest line.

Tavore1138

Malpherian wrote: »

SuraklinPrime wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

So the only logical choices ZOS have are to add interactive children which are killable, or not add them at all.

I don't care either way honestly, but I am not about to encourage a mentally unstable individual by encouraging their belief that killing digital pixels is in any way even remotely related to the same act in reality.

I have to say that I'm more worried about the person whose enjoyment of a game is predicated on or enhanced by their ability to engage in virtual child-killing fantasies.

I'm not, it's good therapy. If they can live out their fantasies in the digital fantasy world it means they are not doing it in Real life.

Which I think we can all agree would be infinitely preferable.

Depends on which theories you favour, some suggest that repeatedly acting out such fantasies make it more likely to follow through in real life - although that assumes some pre-existing tendencies in that direction.

This is true, it is also theorized that eventually they would seek to pursue and fulfill the fantasy as a reality.

However all research done on the subject generally (in the majority of test subjects) shows that enacting out a fantasy (mental or psychological) such as violence, sexual acts, and other anti social behavior in a virtual construct (GTA etc for example), reduces an individuals tendency to enact such in the real world, thus having and given an avenue to vent full any such Anti social, psychotic or otherwise unhealthy fantasies is seen in a majority of subjects to have a positive effect on their lives and the lives of others around them.

I would mostly go along with that, for most it poses little or no risk, but for the dangerous few it might add risk.

One of the toughest things in a liberal democracy is balancing what can be viewed harmlessly by the relatively sane majority against what might act as a trigger to the less stable minority.

RedMiniStapler

Don't you guys know the hidden lore part where it explains that whenever women in tamriel pop out babies, those babies are sent to farms in hidden locations where they are raised like cattle until they grow up, then they get released back into the civilization.

demonlkojipub19_ESO

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. We are interested in your feedback and suggestions, but, as this can be a sensitive subject, we wanted to pop in and gently remind everyone to post with our Code of Conduct in mind. We particularly want to call out that it is never acceptable to discuss real-life or extreme violence on the ESO forums.

Unless it is about the extreme violence players will commit against adult NPC's once the justice system is implemented right?

Srugzal

Yes, add them

Tandor wrote: »

If it's total immersion and realism people are after, then it's toilets that need to be added. Only the post-apocalyptic games ever seem to have toilets, and they're always smashed up.

Not only are there toilets in the STALKER series, they work. Well, some of them do. They and the faucets also work in the Bioshock games. Also, there's a Skyrim addon "Levelers Tower" that has working toilets, faucets, and showers. Not to mention the mod that makes children killable.

Please, let's not go there. I think that ZOS has created a game that is believable enough. There is nothing to be gained, really, by shifting the boundaries past RPG into Simulation.

Srugzal

Yes, add them

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, folks. We are interested in your feedback and suggestions, but, as this can be a sensitive subject, we wanted to pop in and gently remind everyone to post with our Code of Conduct in mind. We particularly want to call out that it is never acceptable to discuss real-life or extreme violence on the ESO forums.

Unless it is about the extreme violence players will commit against adult NPC's once the justice system is implemented right?

Ziiiing! Well played, sir, well played.

Srugzal

Yes, add them

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Skyrim Is the only ES game to have them, they're really just a nuisance and get in the way.

... except for the quest lines that depend on them, of course (Riften Orphanage, anyone?) And in Skyrim, children are not the only NPCs who can be jerks.