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murtugo

bitaken wrote: »

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

Can the AD and DC who keep going on about Pact nightcapping find another pet peeve or possibly just another campaign?

This is what you want. You want your buff server back. I won't be leaving. I will be farming the EP baddies that stay here. Wherever, however I can I will be killing them. It's funny when 16 of my guys (2 of them not regulars recruited from zone chat) can defend chalman against 40+ EP and I get told from friends on EP side that the EP zerg is bragging about how they took a defended keep etc etc...and how there were hundreds of DC in the keep - and the reality is we made over 10K in that one defense.

There is epeen - there is pride - and there is a desire to have fun. I will have fun farming those zerglings!!

The way I see it EP is at a great disadvantage here.

So well done EP... you deserve the bragging rights.

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taxious

so you do not like the map red? dose that mean AD and DC have to OPENLY post on the forums they are working together to turn it around? . sorry EP for "zerging" with less than 20 people. Sorry EP for taking AD down first with all the strength they could muster. Sorry EP for moving on DC who tried at thire last scroll but just wasnt enough. EP if you want to sit here and complain about it are you sure you dont want to get in on thire plans and leave the walls open? WCFC only has all of about 8 aussies in the guild for the records, and we are not going anywhere.

Triston

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taxious wrote: »

WCFC only has all of about 8 aussies in the guild for the records, and we are not going anywhere.

Damn and after last night's (and most night's) inane zone chat I was really hoping you would.

Maybe if you guys stopped yapping so much you would learn a bit of tactics and start taking keeps. We had three down while you went on about how, what's the word...oh yes fabulous you all are.

AD and DC conspiring against EP! Oh noes!!! Not like that hasn't happened in the past. Bring it! I love watching blue and yellow pour out of keeps like ants, it makes it fun!

EvilEmpire

wow...just wow. So in an attempt to get the scrolls, a char named 'spy boy' or something like that just picked up the scroll from DC, and then ran it to AD and let them kill him and take it.

How sad AD is that they need to resort to that kind of tactics. Makes me wonder if that's how they got the other scrolls too.

Manoekin

This is a sad thread.

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

EvilEmpire wrote: »

wow...just wow. So in an attempt to get the scrolls, a char named 'spy boy' or something like that just picked up the scroll from DC, and then ran it to AD and let them kill him and take it.

How sad AD is that they need to resort to that kind of tactics. Makes me wonder if that's how they got the other scrolls too.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. AD has always rolled so classy...

I'll say it, again -- using these cross-alliance exploits is going to force ZOS to restrict each account to a single alliance. Doesn't bother me -- I only play EP, so I vote they should lock all cross-faction alts in the next update.

Yes, a lot of people are going to lose a lot of time spent. It's a shame AD is bent on pushing ZOS to this inevitable action.

Kiss your other-faction alts goodbye, everyone. Remember to thank the visionaries of AD who think of ways *around* honest play.

Draxys

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

EvilEmpire wrote: »

wow...just wow. So in an attempt to get the scrolls, a char named 'spy boy' or something like that just picked up the scroll from DC, and then ran it to AD and let them kill him and take it.

How sad AD is that they need to resort to that kind of tactics. Makes me wonder if that's how they got the other scrolls too.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but I'm not. AD has always rolled so classy...

I'll say it, again -- using these cross-alliance exploits is going to force ZOS to restrict each account to a single alliance. Doesn't bother me -- I only play EP, so I vote they should lock all cross-faction alts in the next update.

Yes, a lot of people are going to lose a lot of time spent. It's a shame AD is bent on pushing ZOS to this inevitable action.

Kiss your other-faction alts goodbye, everyone. Remember to thank the visionaries of AD who think of ways *around* honest play.

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

Huntler

Draxys wrote: »

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

Mildly put

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

Draxys wrote: »

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

For the record, at no point during my game last night did I, as a Pact player, see any troll-camps dropped that would have benefited attacks or defenses involving DC players, which means (at least while I was playing) the cheating was restricted to at least one, at most two cheating factions.

Sure, we can only see our own alliance's camps, but it doesn't take a tactical analyst to see which alliance is benefiting from the perspective of a Pact player -- only AD was dropping troll-camps to upset skirmishes with EP.

I can't speak for all of EP -- I can only speak for myself. However, I can safely say DC was not using troll-camps on the night of August 20th.

quakedawg_ESO

Triston wrote: »

Maybe if you guys stopped yapping so much you would learn a bit of tactics and start taking keeps. We had three down while you went on about how, what's the word...oh yes fabulous you all are.

'yapping' in /zone chat is really the only thing they accomplish

Manoekin

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

For the record, at no point during my game last night did I, as a Pact player, see any troll-camps dropped that would have benefited attacks or defenses involving DC players, which means (at least while I was playing) the cheating was restricted to at least one, at most two cheating factions.

Sure, we can only see our own alliance's camps, but it doesn't take a tactical analyst to see which alliance is benefiting from the perspective of a Pact player -- only AD was dropping troll-camps to upset skirmishes with EP.

I can't speak for all of EP -- I can only speak for myself. However, I can safely say DC was not using troll-camps on the night of August 20th.

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

Nala_

D Fresh wrote: »

AD does not need to work with DC to get things done when we show up. I hope tonight was a reminder.

no one knows who you are, unless you want to explain it to them

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

Manoekin wrote: »

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

I wasn't at Ghartok, but I was in the SE part of the map, watching one deliberately misplaced camp pop up after another.

Nala_

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

I wasn't at Ghartok, but I was in the SE part of the map, watching one deliberately misplaced camp pop up after another.

why is EP the faction that always whines and cries regardless of if theyre winning or losing. its crazy how true that is

Huntler

Manoekin wrote: »

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

Nala_ wrote: »

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

I wasn't at Ghartok, but I was in the SE part of the map, watching one deliberately misplaced camp pop up after another.

why is EP the faction that always whines and cries regardless of if theyre winning or losing. its crazy how true that is

So just to clarify, are you saying you have proof EP wasn't troll-camped last night? In which case, by all means disclose the name of the alt you're using to spy on us, as that is the only way you could conclusively say *anything* about how our camps were being placed on the map.

Or is it just that you're just presupposing information you don't have? Ya, that's probably it. Were it the first case, that alt is going to be taken away, very soon. So it's probably the case that you're just nervous for some reason...

I'm thrilled by the prospect of all cheaters losing their alts. Looking forward to NOT seeing you in game, anymore. Just a friendly FYI.

Draxys

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Nala_ wrote: »

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Did you get troll camped at Ghartok last night?

I wasn't at Ghartok, but I was in the SE part of the map, watching one deliberately misplaced camp pop up after another.

why is EP the faction that always whines and cries regardless of if theyre winning or losing. its crazy how true that is

So just to clarify, are you saying you have proof EP wasn't troll-camped last night? In which case, by all means disclose the name of the alt you're using to spy on us, as that is the only way you could conclusively say *anything* about how our camps were being placed on the map.

Or is it just that you're just presupposing information you don't have? Ya, that's probably it. Were it the first case, that alt is going to be taken away, very soon. So it's probably the case that you're just nervous for some reason...

I'm thrilled by the prospect of all cheaters losing their alts. Looking forward to NOT seeing you in game, anymore. Just a friendly FYI.

Do you have a link to an eso representative stating that they are considering tying accounts to a certain faction? I have not heard of this possibility. I hope they find an alternate solution to these issues.

GRxKnight

This isn't about the map being completely red anymore although anyone can agree that stuff like that is unhealthy for any campaign. What it's now about is the continuous exploit camp placing that is causing AD and DC to keeps to EP who can't take a defended keep to save their life without cheating. Turn the map red? annoying but we'll deal with it. Continue to knowingly cheat in order to gain an advantage? That's just pathetic. Call us drama queens all you want but the fact of the matter is I have yet to see EP take a defended keep without cheating.

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

GRxKnight wrote: »

This isn't about the map being completely red anymore although anyone can agree that stuff like that is unhealthy for any campaign. What it's now about is the continuous exploit camp placing that is causing AD and DC to keeps to EP who can't take a defended keep to save their life without cheating. Turn the map red? annoying but we'll deal with it. Continue to knowingly cheat in order to gain an advantage? That's just pathetic. Call us drama queens all you want but the fact of the matter is I have yet to see EP take a defended keep without cheating.

Uh, you've also failed to cite a single instance or an example of us cheating. It appears as though you're more intent on talking trash than talking exploits, which makes me think you're hoping the subject changes because *reasons* LOL.


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Xiphyla

I really lol at this thread.

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

Draxys wrote: »

Do you have a link to an eso representative stating that they are considering tying accounts to a certain faction? I have not heard of this possibility. I hope they find an alternate solution to these issues.

Nope, but I welcome ANY alternative suggestions as to how ZOS can deal with the rampant cross-alliance exploitations that are, apparently, occurring every hour, if the thread is to be believed.

The only other plausible way to end troll-camping is to remove forward camps from the game, entirely. Otherwise, stripping cheaters of their access to alts in other factions is going to happen.

That's where we're headed. Instead of demanding a link of doom, why not suggest some *other* way of fixing the problem of rampant cross-alliance exploits? All anyone has done so far is throw temper-tantrums of denial and righteous indignation -- nobody has suggested *any* other way of fixing the problem.

Again, that's where we're headed *unless anyone has a better suggestion*

EvilEmpire

Draxys wrote: »

EvilEmpire wrote: »

wow...just wow. So in an attempt to get the scrolls, a char named 'spy boy' or something like that just picked up the scroll from DC, and then ran it to AD and let them kill him and take it.

How sad AD is that they need to resort to that kind of tactics. Makes me wonder if that's how they got the other scrolls too.

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

I would not dare to consider this move a 'tactic', and find it rather pathetic that you are justifying it. It's a *** way that is just short of cheating to win because they can't do it any other way (unless there's a sudden influx of Guest campaigners). It's only short of cheating because it's allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Until they completely get rid of Guesting or as others suggested limiting to a single faction, this *** is going to continue.

Draxys

EvilEmpire wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

EvilEmpire wrote: »

wow...just wow. So in an attempt to get the scrolls, a char named 'spy boy' or something like that just picked up the scroll from DC, and then ran it to AD and let them kill him and take it.

How sad AD is that they need to resort to that kind of tactics. Makes me wonder if that's how they got the other scrolls too.

Using cheap tactics is not restricted to one faction, anyone who thinks otherwise is simply mistaken.

I would not dare to consider this move a 'tactic', and find it rather pathetic that you are justifying it. It's a *** way that is just short of cheating to win because they can't do it any other way (unless there's a sudden influx of Guest campaigners). It's only short of cheating because it's allowed to happen by the game mechanics. Until they completely get rid of Guesting, this *** is going to continue.

"Tactic: an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end."

I was not justifying it, please reserve your hostility something more appropriate.

EvilEmpire

Draxys wrote: »

"Tactic: an action or strategy carefully planned to achieve a specific end."

I was not justifying it, please reserve your hostility something more appropriate.

Oh well, in that case, never mind. cheat away!


Cheat
verb
1.
act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.

GRxKnight

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

This isn't about the map being completely red anymore although anyone can agree that stuff like that is unhealthy for any campaign. What it's now about is the continuous exploit camp placing that is causing AD and DC to keeps to EP who can't take a defended keep to save their life without cheating. Turn the map red? annoying but we'll deal with it. Continue to knowingly cheat in order to gain an advantage? That's just pathetic. Call us drama queens all you want but the fact of the matter is I have yet to see EP take a defended keep without cheating.

Uh, you've also failed to cite a single instance or an example of us cheating. It appears as though you're more intent on talking trash than talking exploits, which makes me think you're hoping the subject changes because *reasons* LOL.

How about Drakelow yesterday when red was inside. My guild was there and we had an upper hand on the defense even with being outnumbered and all of a sudden a troll camp gets placed between Drake and Sejanus. So there's one example of it happening. It happens also quite a bit at Alessia when we're defending. All of a sudden we'll have a camp on the other side of the bridge and guess who's waiting for us to pop out.

And yes I do have an EP alt but the last time I logged on her was probably 3 months ago when I was considering joining EP to play with one of my former guilds. Guess which character I don't play anymore.

Now that I've given you an example, want to come up with another excuse and deny that EP drops troll camps like no other? I haven't heard of DC or AD troll camping but I'm sure it's happened. Though I've seen it happen a lot more via EP than the other two. Keep thinking that it's ONLY AD exploiting here though. I'm sure you can't see too far being under a ZOS desk.

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Pixysticks

Unlikely_Ghostbuster

Jeez... This thread has devolved from a hissy-fit into a semantic spitting contest, if that's even possible. Meanwhile, nobody has any valid ideas about how we can end cross-alliance exploits in the game, other than either removing forward camps entirely or restricting accounts to ONE alliance, thereby deleting everybody's alts in the *other* factions.

I have zero skin in this game. All my toons are Pact. However, I can see a mass exodus of disenfranchised players abandoning the game in droves because their alts were deleted along with the cheaters' alts.

Maybe ZOS will have the prudence to *only* ban those who are guilty of using these cross-alliance exploits. I'm sure word would travel fast that ZOS is offering no quarter to players who usurp honest gameplay. Word traveled quickly to the guilds I'm in about *other* exploits that are no longer tolerated (thank goodness), so let the banning begin. Kick the cheaters. All of them. The player community will get the point faster than you might expect, once a few notorious players suddenly start vanishing.

Imdrefan

Unlikely_Ghostbuster wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Do you have a link to an eso representative stating that they are considering tying accounts to a certain faction? I have not heard of this possibility. I hope they find an alternate solution to these issues.

Nope, but I welcome ANY alternative suggestions as to how ZOS can deal with the rampant cross-alliance exploitations that are, apparently, occurring every hour, if the thread is to be believed.

The only other plausible way to end troll-camping is to remove forward camps from the game, entirely. Otherwise, stripping cheaters of their access to alts in other factions is going to happen.

That's where we're headed. Instead of demanding a link of doom, why not suggest some *other* way of fixing the problem of rampant cross-alliance exploits? All anyone has done so far is throw temper-tantrums of denial and righteous indignation -- nobody has suggested *any* other way of fixing the problem.

Again, that's where we're headed *unless anyone has a better suggestion*

I don't think FCamps should be taken out, or have one faction per account. I think you should only have 1 campaign per alt so other alts on one account can't join the same campaign.

Nala_

zone chat last night:

DC1:DONT GO IN THAT CAVE
DC2: PUSH IN U NOOBS THEY HAV ARE SCROLLZ IN THERE
DC3: KILL THE EP OUTSIDE THE CAVE THEN GO IN THE CAVE
DC4: IM STANDING ON WHERE THE SCROLL IZ SUPPOSE 2 BE BUT THERE NOT HERE, IM REPORTING FOR HACKS
DC1: THEYRE IN THE CAVE ABOVE THE WATERFALL, YOU CANT JUST GO TO WHERE THE SCROLL IS ON THE MAP
DC4: THEY ARE HACK GUILD FROM ANOTHER CAMPAIGN OMG THEY ARE UP IN AIR FLYING SCROLL HOME PLZ REPORT
DC3: LET THEM FLY THE SCROLL HOME EP SUX ANYWAYS *** EP
DC2: OMG PUSH THE SCROLL U NOOBZ WTF THIS IS Y WE LOSE THIS CAMPAIGNS
DC1: WAIT FOR EP TO GO IN AND DIE BEFORE WE GO IN

5 minutes later.....SCROLL CAPTURED AT ALESSIA KEEP

DC3: WTF EP ATTACKED US AS DISTRACTION SO AD CAN CAP SCROLL THIS IS COLLABERATING WITH EACH FACTION
DC1: YOU GUYS ATTACKED EP AND THEY LEFT THE CAVE, WHY WOULD EP HELP THEM STEAL THEIR OWN SCROLL U IDIOT
DC4: NO U IDIOTS THEY FLEW SCROLL IN AIR HACKED IT TO ALESSIA, THEY ONLY FLEW ABOVE CAVE SO PPL FIGHT EACH OTHER
DC2: WE DIDNT PUSH THEM FAST ENOUGH I TOLD U NOOBZ
DC4: WTF REPORT THESE SCROLL HACKERS EVERYONE PLZ

and thats when most of the DC who came to help this *** server realized it was pointless and went back to thorneblade.

Triston

What about a timer before you can enter Cryo with a different faction character?

If I have 3 chars and 2 are EP I can enter Cryo (depending on queues) as often as I want. If I log into my AD character I have to wait (30 mins to an hour) before I can join the same campaign, but I could guest/join a different campaign.