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Aoe_Barbecue

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

I do believe that it was 50 pugs and maybe one or two coordinated groups of 3 or more, but whatever, you guys pretty much PvDoor'd that server in the first place just like EP did originally.

50 pugs and a few organized groupsversus one guild (NM had like, 20 on at the time?) and perhaps another full group's worth of others. (I think the organized groups had more than three as well .) I understand your motivation to diminish what occurred, but I simply think it's wrong. When we captured the campaign we certainly had resistance. They simply did not resist well enough to stop us. Regardless, it was fun to capture and fun to defend.

Ifthir_ESO

EvilEmpire wrote: »

since you think it's so funny, let me guess....you're a vampire sorc?

I've got plenty of perspective on this matter and have made my decision. Good luck, tough guy. Keep having fun fighting NPCs!

Not a vamp, not a sorc, and I run into impulse/bat swarmers daily. Its not just EP.

If you didn't have this narrow self-centered perspective, you'd realize I was correct.

GRxKnight

You can only talk about perspective if, during the time the red PvDoor players are offline, AD or DC turn the map one color or a blue/yellow combination... Since that doesn't happen due to red always having at least 2 bar pop your perspective argument is invalid. As I've said earlier when DC and AD players log on for the day they're first spent reclaiming our home keeps (that is if the red that are on don't want to be asses about it and send a zerg to defend). Only after both factions have established some presence back on the map can the actual pvp start until people with lives log off.

At least red isn't denying the fact that they're PvDooring. Back in Dawnbreaker you mention that word in the db thread and every red immediately denied it, using the excuse that there was defense at the keep aside from the guards. They didn't mention how that defense was probably only 5 strong and, if lucky, 1 v12 was among those 5. Against a group of 20+ 5 is insignificant.

Halrloprillalar

I like how Krotha and the french toast are so proud of themselves for this amazing PVE accomplishment.

Good job guys, keep it up!

Agrippa_Invisus

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

I like how Krotha and the french toast are so proud of themselves for this amazing PVE accomplishment.

Good job guys, keep it up!

Don't people angling for PVE achievements do trials?

Mjollo

@Ifthir_ESO‌ NO DOUBLE-TOASTING

I agree with this on some level (minus the extremity you responded in).

I can also say that while it sucks that majority of EP doesn't know what they are doing because there are more followers than leaders, nobody can claim anything over EP (or rather any alliance) as a whole. You cannot claim that one alliance is doing something bad (like impulsing/batswarming) when every alliance does it. My source comes from this very thread. Read through the pages of endless banter on every alliance with the word impulse or batswarm. Despite what has been going on, there actually have been really good fights going on. Chalamo from the last season was one of them. All 3 alliances were there but it wasn't just zergs. They were all scattered throughout the keep and battlegrounds melding with each other in a glorious battle. For once, I actually noticed that even though there were so many of us there, it looked like an actual battle scene with 1v1s x200-300 pairs.

Halrloprillalar

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

I like how Krotha and the french toast are so proud of themselves for this amazing PVE accomplishment.

Good job guys, keep it up!

Don't people angling for PVE achievements do trials?

That's what I thought, but apparently they need a buff map first.

Glantris

have some compassion for krotha. he has to make big, italicised posts on the forums to make up for his lack of skill playing the easiest class in the game.

Ifthir_ESO

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

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When you said "To say it's the same as what EP does is ridiculous.". This implies DC earned their Emp and keeps and EP did not. Were you implying something else and I misunderstood you?

That statement exemplifies the "Its not us, its you" theory that the world in general seems to love to use.

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DovresMalven

im probably leaving chill after yesterday

Braidas

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

[...]

When you said "To say it's the same as what EP does is ridiculous.". This implies DC earned their Emp and keeps and EP did not. Were you implying something else and I misunderstood you?

That statement exemplifies the "Its not us, its you" theory that the world in general seems to love to use.

Yes, EP zergs the map at a time when no one is on. You and another EP claimed it is the same as what DC was doing, which it isn't. Our crownings have been very difficult. That's all I said.

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Halrloprillalar

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

[...]

When you said "To say it's the same as what EP does is ridiculous.". This implies DC earned their Emp and keeps and EP did not. Were you implying something else and I misunderstood you?

That statement exemplifies the "Its not us, its you" theory that the world in general seems to love to use.

Yes, EP zergs the map at a time when no one is on. You and another EP claimed it is the same as what DC was doing, which it isn't. Our crownings have been very difficult. That's all I said.

Not the last one. It was literally a defense of half a dozen people, maybe.

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Ifthir_ESO

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Yes, EP zergs the map at a time when no one is on. You and another EP claimed it is the same as what DC was doing, which it isn't. Our crownings have been very difficult. That's all I said.

1. The game is 24 hours and doesn't cater to your sleep schedule.
2. This behavior is not limited to EP.

You do agree those two facts are irrefutable, right?

GRxKnight

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Yes, EP zergs the map at a time when no one is on. You and another EP claimed it is the same as what DC was doing, which it isn't. Our crownings have been very difficult. That's all I said.

1. The game is 24 hours and doesn't cater to your sleep schedule.
2. This behavior is not limited to EP.

You do agree those two facts are irrefutable, right?

And thus the "it's not our fault we night cap" was created. Basically when the majority of the population plays at EST or PST time zones, it gets frustrating to learn that some group decided to do something at 5 AM EST when a vast majority of the server population was incapacitated via sleep. I can assure you that the frustration he is exerting here is not only limited to him. When looking at AD zone chat yesterday people were asking when the map was made to look like a field of strawberries. People responded with a ballpark time of the wee early hours of the day (when no sane or normal person should be awake unless they're working) and I can tell you that they were not impressed. I've said it once before and I'll say it again. Based on what I've witness on Chillrend and the trends from Dawnbreaker, red is only good at anything when there is no challenge or resistance on the server. And if you want to try and argue that point with me you're going to lose.

I'm aware that AD and DC has done this as well (Valnas' emp crown was one such instance for AD and DC has done this in the past on DB) however if I were to count on my hands the amount of times that I've logged on to an entirely red map I would need at least 2 other people to get a ballpark estimate of that number. When was the last time EP has crowned an emperor during prime time?

Yonkit

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

My sentiments as well. We were on the receiving end with Bloodthorn and are stepping away from being a part of it on Chillrend.

One of my (least) favorite moments was seeing Zergmother Natalie Mayweather leading 40-50 DC against Drakelowe (the only non blue keep), with it's 2 defenders, at 9am Central on Father's Day. That's when I knew it would never stop on that server. It became all about farming and achieving what objectives we could.

Unfortunately the EP of Chill have had a lot of armchair generals who think 'this is war!' (instead of a video game. Did you even serve, brah?) and are begging to 'let's go for overkill' in regards to opening empty gates and capping Brindle, the most strategically unimportant keep on the map.

It's sickening. I hate my Alliance right now.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty annoyed with my fellow smurfs too. On monday most of my guilds were making calls for all of the elite players and anyone who wanted mad buffs to come wreck bow of shadows. Anyone with half a brain knew that wouldn't go well for the balance in other servers, but smurfs were made without a brain. Red can have their BoS back. I just want a home with competitive fights that don't have 100 man queues to get in (TB).

Also, this is the sort of situation that deserves a cuss word or two. Why again is there age verification for ESO's website if we can't sully the forum pages with some appropriately aggravated words?

Ifthir_ESO

GRxKnight wrote: »

Based on what I've witness on Chillrend and the trends from Dawnbreaker, red is only good at anything when there is no challenge or resistance on the server.

Here we are back at the "I am awesome, everyone else is terrible" argument that Braidas basically had and I chastised him for.

I realize a lot of people play video games to validate their self worth via competitive gaming, but can we put the epeens away for just a [snip] second and admit that every alliance has good people, every alliance has griefers, and every alliance has examples of people PVDooring?

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Agrippa_Invisus

Yonkit wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

My sentiments as well. We were on the receiving end with Bloodthorn and are stepping away from being a part of it on Chillrend.

One of my (least) favorite moments was seeing Zergmother Natalie Mayweather leading 40-50 DC against Drakelowe (the only non blue keep), with it's 2 defenders, at 9am Central on Father's Day. That's when I knew it would never stop on that server. It became all about farming and achieving what objectives we could.

Unfortunately the EP of Chill have had a lot of armchair generals who think 'this is war!' (instead of a video game. Did you even serve, brah?) and are begging to 'let's go for overkill' in regards to opening empty gates and capping Brindle, the most strategically unimportant keep on the map.

It's sickening. I hate my Alliance right now.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm pretty annoyed with my fellow smurfs too. On monday most of my guilds were making calls for all of the elite players and anyone who wanted mad buffs to come wreck bow of shadows. Anyone with half a brain knew that wouldn't go well for the balance in other servers, but smurfs were made without a brain. Red can have their BoS back. I just want a home with competitive fights that don't have 100 man queues to get in (TB).

Also, this is the sort of situation that deserves a cuss word or two. Why again is there age verification for ESO's website if we can't sully the forum pages with some appropriately aggravated words?

I just want Chillbreaker back.

Yonkit

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Based on what I've witness on Chillrend and the trends from Dawnbreaker, red is only good at anything when there is no challenge or resistance on the server.

Here we are back at the "I am awesome, everyone else is terrible" argument that Braidas basically had and I chastised him for.

I realize a lot of people play video games to validate their self worth via competitive gaming, but can we put the epeens away for just a [snip] second and admit that every alliance has good people, every alliance has griefers, and every alliance has examples of people PVDooring?

Sometimes, when red's not around, I get my guys together and we just take down the walls. Don't even take the keep. I just love that sweet sweet siege action so much. You find a keep at 5am with the walls crumbling and the door ripped off its hinges, but no one is in sight? That's me. Doing my thing.

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GRxKnight

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

GRxKnight wrote: »

Based on what I've witness on Chillrend and the trends from Dawnbreaker, red is only good at anything when there is no challenge or resistance on the server.

Here we are back at the "I am awesome, everyone else is terrible" argument that Braidas basically had and I chastised him for.

I realize a lot of people play video games to validate their self worth via competitive gaming, but can we put the epeens away for just a [snip] second and admit that every alliance has good people, every alliance has griefers, and every alliance has examples of people PVDooring?

In the world of mathematics a claim is true until there is sufficient evidence to state otherwise. This fact is used in the scientific method of hypothesis testing and various other methods when poised with a question/claim. So until you can prove to me that red has any skill outside of night capping when there is no competition, and then proceeding to turtle behind those keeps during prime time, I will continue to regard the other two factions as superior.

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Ifthir_ESO

GRxKnight wrote: »

So until you can prove to me that red has any skill outside of night capping when there is no competition, and then proceeding to turtle behind those keeps during prime time, I will continue to regard the other two factions as superior.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1154339/#Comment_1154339

Yonkit

GRxKnight wrote: »

In the world of mathematics a claim is true until there is sufficient evidence to state otherwise. This fact is used in the scientific method of hypothesis testing and various other methods when poised with a question/claim. So until you can prove to me that red has any skill outside of night capping when there is no competition, and then proceeding to turtle behind those keeps during prime time, I will continue to regard the other two factions as superior.

So in the world of mathematics, God, unicorns, and that cute spider Charlotte who weaves little webs with friendly words on them is considered "true"? If we're going to employ basic reasoning skills we might want to talk about something more recently popularized as "Hitchen's razor." Any statement that has been introduced without evidence can summarily be dismissed without evidence as well. On Chillrend EP has in the past two weeks crowned an emp against resistance, just like DC, just like AD (At least I think so... don't trust them bananas). I know DC and EP have capped emp with little to no resistance on occasion too as I've been a part of several defenses that were undermanned against red and slaughters by heavy-handed blues. All in all, the battles have demonstrated a certain level of parity in the skill and abilities strengths and weaknesses of the various groups.

No. you cannot just say that EP loves to PVD and claim that mathematics supports you. Math will not be invoked for such inane discussions.

GRxKnight

oh and just to prove my point...red troll camps like no other...stay classy red

GRxKnight

and it's not math in that sense...its logic...maybe you should use it next time

SeltzerDuke

I feel like I've been reading the same thread for two months. Same posters saying the same things. Can the AD and DC who keep going on about Pact nightcapping find another pet peeve or possibly just another campaign? I'm not even sure why it happens myself, to be honest, but I can admit it's certainly an ongoing pattern; but, fine, if this means red is so awful, only Agrippa's group isn't, etc etc etc, and the stuff we have to keep hearing, then just find a campaign where blue and yellow can focus only on each other or something.

GRxKnight wrote: »

the wee early hours of the day (when no sane or normal person should be awake unless they're working)

I have to say that this is a bizarre and judgemental thing to declare. There are several reasons why gamers might game at certain hours - and yeah, timezones are the most obvious. It doesn't even have to be Oceania, although that's certainly sizeable on here; California gamers - y'know, the most populous US state - can play until what I'd imagine are still "normal" hours by your judge-y standards of midnight to 1am which is actually 3-4am EDT. But there are college students still on summer break, habitual gamers who are just nocturnal by nature, freelancers (hi, that's me), part-timers, and yes, even unemployed people (gasp!) or <18y/os. Doesn't make sense to pretend this portion of the player base is somehow illegitimate, not to mention demographically this is a gamer-heavy segment I'd imagine.

D Fresh

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

Brandeospeedwagon wrote: »

Who did I blame for anything? When did I say that I was perfect? *** are u talking about dude? all i said was our crownings have been hotly contested

When you said "To say it's the same as what EP does is ridiculous.". This implies DC earned their Emp and keeps and EP did not. Were you implying something else and I misunderstood you?

That statement exemplifies the "Its not us, its you" theory that the world in general seems to love to use.

LOL its bc EP didn't earn their emp keeps. Unless killing NPCs falls under that category.......... Great job gaiiiiissss!

Halrloprillalar

drhodeswub17_ESO wrote: »

im probably leaving chill after yesterday

It's tempting

bitaken

SeltzerDuke wrote: »

Can the AD and DC who keep going on about Pact nightcapping find another pet peeve or possibly just another campaign?

This is what you want. You want your buff server back. I won't be leaving. I will be farming the EP baddies that stay here. Wherever, however I can I will be killing them. It's funny when 16 of my guys (2 of them not regulars recruited from zone chat) can defend chalman against 40+ EP and I get told from friends on EP side that the EP zerg is bragging about how they took a defended keep etc etc...and how there were hundreds of DC in the keep - and the reality is we made over 10K in that one defense.

There is epeen - there is pride - and there is a desire to have fun. I will have fun farming those zerglings!!

Warz

Ehh this game has more whiners and cry babies than anything. EP zergs aka WCFC is pretty much mindlessly zergling nonstop. Yes they PvDoor and took the map over night yes they zerg mindlessly and deny it but atleast they give you all equal amounts of ridiculous ap before doing it. I can guarantee its not me or most of the other guilds like gos night capping, the game is getting boring enough and we would rather not kill the server, because we do enjoy really good fights. I wouldn't be surprised if its that same group doing to camp trolling because it certainly isn't any of our guilds from dawn, it has always been some crappy zergs. If you still dont believe me you are free to come play age of mythology with us when the server should be sleeping because its better than pveing and pvdooring which seems to be whined about the most here.

KellanKell

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

drhodeswub17_ESO wrote: »

im probably leaving chill after yesterday

It's tempting

People leaving the campaign b/c they aren't willing to deal with the changing landscape.

Well then...

GRxKnight

@KellanKell‌ not the changing landscape...the continuous amount of BS that takes place...troll camps being the number one reason.