An Actual Poll About the Justice System

Noctisse

Other (please explain).

Like many people have already said, until the system is actually implemented, and we've seen how the devs tackle the exploits people will abuse, there's no way of actually telling whether it will rock or suck.
Basing entire arguments on the little information we currently have (which is subject to change anyway) and speculation seems rather pointless to me.
I'm guessing, like the rest of the game, it will initially be chaos, and gradually improve.

What follows is just a personal assumption and might be completely wrong, so you are welcome to humor me if your information has a legit source.

PvP/PvE and exploits aside, what actually worries me is the impact on the in game economy, as the price of certain things will skyrocket.
I'm afraid that rich endgame VR players will become even richer; as thieves they have greater chance of farming to their hearts content and surviving against either PC or NPC guards; as guards, if justice system is PvP based, it is easier for them to gank thieves who would be potential competitors in the market.
On the other hand, poor lowbies will become poorer (unless they have really strong friends); as thieves, they'd get their butts handed to them by the aforementioned VRs; as guards, they'd be unable to stop the aforementioned VRs. Either way, things such as provisioning ingredients would be inaccessible to them, as they would be unable to either farm them or buy them, because of the price inflation.

apostate9

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

Mortalio wrote: »

So the game should be Pvp only?

No, they don'lt plan to remove the PVE content from the game, of course. Not sure if trolling or??

apostate9

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

Izzban wrote: »

I don't want PVP in PVE areas. I don't want to see a bunch of yahoos running through town killing all the guards hoping to get some PVP action going on in the town I am trying to interact with.

Why can't you keep your PVP in the PVP area Cyrodiil? Why do PVPers constantly force themselves into the PVE areas? Anyone seeing PVE players demanding a 20'X20' area of PVE only right next to the postern gate of every keep in Cyrodiil?

This is going to turn into a huge mess with VR gank squads in low level towns, guilds setting up PVP nights in certain towns and annoying all the PVE players, constant dueling in every town, guilds claiming towns as home base and forcing PVE players out with constant street to street battles.

Hyperbole? Exaggeration? Maybe. What's to stop any of it from happening? The good nature of the PVP community?

I can't see how this justice system will ever attract/retain more players than it drives away, this poll notwithstanding.

tl;dr Interacting with other players in a massively multi-player game is scary. Got it.

apostate9

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

PBpsy wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

First thing i will do if the justice system is made like this is find or form a guild that only camps towns to kill player and npc guards all day and find every damn way to abuse it. If Zeni doesn't want this game to devolve into that maybe they should think more about their player driven justice system.

I'm not sure how you can abuse that, but knock yourself out. I mean, you'll get knocked out by a player guild for guards, but you go ahead and pretend that you can somehow disrupt the game in any kind of lasting way.

Consistent abuse by players of dumb and bugged mechanics has done quite a bit of good to the game until now so yes I will 'knock myself out'.

The fact that the justice PVP can be balanced by grouping and organized guilds doesn't change the fact that many people do not what to witness a damn PvP war zone in a PVE zone.

Gawd. Now the carebear pathology is so deep, they can't even stand to "witness" other players competing with each other in a game.

Therapy may be in order, this can't be an indicator of good mental hygeine.

Samadhi

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

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Again i ask you to bring up the dev post or vid where they clearly stated that their intention for end game is PvP.

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In the end , they will catter to the majority...

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/03/19/the-elder-scrolls-online-interview-paul-sage/

In this interview with Paul Sage, it was stated that endgame was planned to have both PvE and PvP.
It's also stated that PvP was put in due to "...a real desire in the community to have PvP..."

I think that reflects pretty accurately in the poll made in this thread.
The majority of the votes are for the idea of having both PvE and PvP in the system. PvP is desired, even if not all that vote for it want to only have PvP content.

Drazhar14

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

If you don't want to get beat up by another player, then don't be a criminal! Or, you need to train first (get to v12), which should give you enough time to plot world domination and form the ultimate heist. Then, after much preparation, you can be a criminal mastermind!

I like the idea of bringing PvP to PvE, in a way that makes it totally optional for players to participate in (cops and robbers). I hope Zenimax does a good job with the system. I'll be happy as long as I get to shout "Stop right there, criminal scum!"

N_Hearthcroft

I don't like the justice system as described; I don't want players to be involved in enforcement.

I enjoy PvP in Cyrodiil and like PvE too. However I am concerned that the Justice System will turn into another Stanford Prison Experiment with the players as the guinea pigs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Other (please explain).

N_Hearthcroft wrote: »

I enjoy PvP in Cyrodiil and like PvE too. However I am concerned that the Justice System will turn into another Stanford Prison Experiment with the players as the guinea pigs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Thanks for providing the link, I had read about that previously. IMO that would just make things even more fun!

zdkazz

I like the justice system as currently described by the developers.

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MercyKilling wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Can you name a really good AAA mmorpg that does not have PVP?

No, because they all have it. Regardless of whether or not they're AAA or not. This does not mean it belongs there. It just means they all have it.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Was ESO released with only PVP as 'end game' content? Was PVP used as a major pull in the sales pitch and advertisement?

No, it was not released with only PvP in mind. It's an MMORPG. Durr. Yes, PvP was used in the sales pitch and adverts, but again I refer you to "that does not mean it doesn't belong."...and I also posit that the major draw to the game IS NOT the PvP aspect of it.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Are the top 5 best selling MMO's built with PVP in mind? Does these so called balance issues, lessen them?

You just don't seem to get it. Just because they have it does not mean it SHOULD be there, or that it belongs. It's because of caving to people that WANT PvP that it's in MMORPG's. No, they were not built with PvP only in mind. Yes, these balance issues lessen them.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

WoW? Think what you like about the game, but successful it most certainly is.

Most certainly it is successful. However, this is not because of the PvP aspect of it despite what you're trying so desperately to prove.

Tannakaobi wrote: »

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Maybe you should find an mmo that does not have PVP... wait.. no, you can't. It would seem the world disagree's with you.

Which I'm quite used to. It's hard being the only one that's right, but someone's gotta do it.

I'm more than equal to the requirements.

all i have to say is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAjJ-LiJjeg