Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
The more I read the more concerned I become about this. We seem to be on a track of less and less solo PvE content for the casual gamer, a major proportion of the player base if forum posts over the last year are accurate. There has been no horizontal PvE content added. After lvl 50 the reasons for said players to stay subbed are few and far between. If they stay they are forced into PvP or group/raid activities. Do you really expect people to stay, play, and pay a game that turns them off?
I've enjoyed the game. I believe that my 6 month sub was a wise choice. I had been set to auto renew for another 6 months. I changed that this past week to month to month. Without content support to those like me and isolation from the PvP type players that frequently post here then is it not possible for 20%-40% of those to just bag it until update 3 or beyond? After all, there are some major new games set for release this fall. Are you peeps demanding world PvP willing to increase your subs to $25-$35 per month to offset the loss? I'm guessing not. Are the stakeholders in Zenimax willing to accept the resulting hit to their bottom line? Would you? Of course not. I sincerely doubt that any of the individual principals would either and I know that Providence, with its successful history of being an activist investor group, would let its $300MM stake wither without intervening.
The challenge for Matt and Paul is create a game environment that results in most subs over the longest period of time. What we have now and what has been proposed satisfies no one. It may be that they must give up some of their initial visions of the game in order for it to flourish at its maximum. Maybe they really do need to have dedicated shards for the PvP crowd. The same for those more interested in RP. The griefers and gankers could have a field day on their side. The PvE players could have a justice system in line with their interests.
One of the biggest successes this game has scored is in its informal grouping scenarios. You are able to blend in and out of dungeon mates without having to stop to deal with this one's bio break or that one's family agro. Everyone gets the same loot and quest completion. The megaserver reliably puts guildies and friends into the same shards. Given these accomplishments I see no barrier to ZOS being able to congregate and segregate PvPers into their shards and PvEers into ours. Both large groups would get what they want, be happier, and stay subbed longer.
Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
I'll just camp the level 1 zone waiting for them to make a mistake because I'm a griefer and I obviously have nothing better to do in game since I'm VR12 and there is no content.
Btw, your 9yr old should be playing eso, it's for 18+,there is a brothel in the game
Edit: oh and jokes asside: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122965/an-actual-poll-about-the-justice-system#latest <== Justice system disucssion
Thechemicals wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
I'll just camp the level 1 zone waiting for them to make a mistake because I'm a griefer and I obviously have nothing better to do in game since I'm VR12 and there is no content.
Btw, your 9yr old should be playing eso, it's for 18+,there is a brothel in the game
Edit: oh and jokes asside: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122965/an-actual-poll-about-the-justice-system#latest <== Justice system disucssion
You or me don't have any say in that. Its my niece so her dad makes that decision. And if you think a significant population in this game isn't under 18 then your kidding yourself. Yeah next time you grief kill and spam grief kill someone, that's probably anyone from 8yrs old -75 yrs old. Gj you win the loser achievement for that lol.
Thechemicals wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
I'll just camp the level 1 zone waiting for them to make a mistake because I'm a griefer and I obviously have nothing better to do in game since I'm VR12 and there is no content.
Btw, your 9yr old should be playing eso, it's for 18+,there is a brothel in the game
Edit: oh and jokes asside: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122965/an-actual-poll-about-the-justice-system#latest <== Justice system disucssion
You or me don't have any say in that. Its my niece so her dad makes that decision. And if you think a significant population in this game isn't under 18 then your kidding yourself. Yeah next time you grief kill and spam grief kill someone, that's probably anyone from 8yrs old -75 yrs old. Gj you win the loser achievement for that lol.
Thechemicals wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »Thechemicals wrote: »Im here to buzzkill all the pk's looking forward to these changes. You will never grief a player who doesn't want to participate in your sociopathic behavior. thanks and gnight.
And like-wise the 'Carebears' will never be able to enjoy the justice system without crying and being demolished by my sociopathic behavior. mwahh!
Yeah my 9yr old niece wont be because of freaks like you but me, im the best at everything I do so I will be there to wipe the floor with you until you leave back to wow arena.
I'll just camp the level 1 zone waiting for them to make a mistake because I'm a griefer and I obviously have nothing better to do in game since I'm VR12 and there is no content.
Btw, your 9yr old should be playing eso, it's for 18+,there is a brothel in the game
Edit: oh and jokes asside: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/122965/an-actual-poll-about-the-justice-system#latest <== Justice system disucssion
You or me don't have any say in that. Its my niece so her dad makes that decision. And if you think a significant population in this game isn't under 18 then your kidding yourself. Yeah next time you grief kill and spam grief kill someone, that's probably anyone from 8yrs old -75 yrs old. Gj you win the loser achievement for that lol.
kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No, no, no and NO. PVP needs to stay in the PVP areas only. I know there are some changes coming with bounties and that is fine. Just don't give idiots the ability to run around killing anyone they want in the PVE areas. You want to tank this game, then make the change for all map areas to be PVP.
this is what I'm talking about. You can't expect me to not call them carebears when they spout out stuff like this.
You are not being forced to call anyone anything. You can disagree with someone here without name calling. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Even if someone is wrong in your opinion (or wrong even in fact) or even if they don't have a complete understanding of how something is supposed to work does not dictate your actions. Can you not merely disagree and perhaps point out the fallacies in their arguments and not call other members of this forum names?
smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »kassandratheclericb14_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No, no, no and NO. PVP needs to stay in the PVP areas only. I know there are some changes coming with bounties and that is fine. Just don't give idiots the ability to run around killing anyone they want in the PVE areas. You want to tank this game, then make the change for all map areas to be PVP.
this is what I'm talking about. You can't expect me to not call them carebears when they spout out stuff like this.
You are not being forced to call anyone anything. You can disagree with someone here without name calling. Just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD.
Even if someone is wrong in your opinion (or wrong even in fact) or even if they don't have a complete understanding of how something is supposed to work does not dictate your actions. Can you not merely disagree and perhaps point out the fallacies in their arguments and not call other members of this forum names?
It has nothing to do with disagreeing and everything to do with being regularly mis-characterized and insulted. Why should I take the time to make a reasonable argument when 1) the other party is not rational enough to fully grasp what I am saying, and 2) the other partly is actively insulting and hostile?
Nope, making a PVE options for justice system => players abusing exploits to get away from NPCs and as Sage said "no matter what we do, you will allways find a way". Seems like no solving that one, at least not on dev side.
Nope, making a PVE options for justice system => players abusing exploits to get away from NPCs and as Sage said "no matter what we do, you will allways find a way". Seems like no solving that one, at least not on dev side.
So PVP players are so honorable they would never find a way to expliot player guards? That argument is so one sided to say that PVE players will exploit PVE guards. Of course Sage might have been just pandering to a PVP crowd at QuakeCon by saying there will be guard PVP so you too can chase nasty criminals and get in on the fun.
There is no gameplay impact to my PVE stealing and killing on anyone else, it does not matter to anyone elses game if I decide to let the PVE guards chase me if I think it is fun.
Why would we assume that would change? Because if it wasn't intended to change, they would have released an other solo game and not a "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game"?
MMOS are not PVP games stop equating the two. Interaction does not mean fighting, in most MMOS PVP is zoned and only opt-in and the majority of the game is PVE cooperative play, giving features to players so that they only have to play with people they want. That is why there is grouping filters, ignore filters, spam filters, guild filters, and instances that take all of that in to account All the PVE players are asking for is not to have to play with the likes of you, it is not going to affect your PVP experience one bit if they do not because they will quit the game before they have to anyways. They are not saying get rid of PVP for you, they are saying get rid of PVP in thier PVE instances. They want to play crime only with PVE consequences and have it affect only their game, just like every quest in the game only affects their game. It does not affect your game for them to make that choice. It would only affect your game if they crusaded to remove the PVP entirely, which nobody is doing because we are tolerant to understand why you want to play PVP, unlike your lack of tolerance for people who only want to play PVE.
Of course the version will be tested on PTS by the griefers, based on past experience they are not going to report the issues so that they can be abused on live because that gives them months of enjoyment before they finally get caught by the admins and fixed by the coders.
I never said "this is an MMO so it's PVP", I said "this is an MMO so it's not solo play".
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Please remember to keep your comments civil and constructive, particularly when weighing in on the ideas and opinions of others. Also, always be considerate of the forum rules. We've posted several reminders in this thread already, and these problems have persisted. If you feel someone is misbehaving, you should report their post rather than calling them out – and if you report a post, don't also respond to it. Note, it's possible any action taken will be behind the scenes.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Please explain how you can "exploit" a player guard. A PvP player can exploit certain mechanics in order to boost their character (at least until the developers shut them down), but since they can't predict the behavior of a player guard, I don't see how they could exploit that behavior.
nerevarine1138 wrote: »Please explain how you can "exploit" a player guard. A PvP player can exploit certain mechanics in order to boost their character (at least until the developers shut them down), but since they can't predict the behavior of a player guard, I don't see how they could exploit that behavior.
Maybe you should just go read the PVP section of the forum and find the daily even hourly posts about exploits and hackers. Exploitation is not a PVE exclusive behavior.
How is it that you define running away from guards to be exploitation is beyond me, that is the entire point of criminal activities in the entire TES series. "Stop right there criminal scum" never meant you had to stop, you always had the option to run. It would only be exploitation if that behavior somehow interfered with other players gameplay. If I wanted to exploit player guards from having fun, I would simply pay my bounty and not run. Running from the guards is exactly what PVE and PVP guarding is about, it is the entire purpose of having guards in the first place.
Most MMOs are in fact single player questing with a chat room because that is exactly what players want outside of the end game so that they can quickly level at their fast pace on their own playtime and not have to wait on others to play. ESO does not even have any cooperative quests outside of the the new craglorn, all of the lvl50 quests are single player within your instance phase. Even if you group up you cannot do quests together, all you really get is an extra chat tab and help on mobs. All the modern MMOs have instance phasing primarily because if questing was forced to be interactable with other players, then other players would grief their quests from being completed.
Most MMOs are in fact single player questing with a chat room because that is exactly what players want outside of the end game so that they can quickly level at their fast pace on their own playtime and not have to wait on others to play. ESO does not even have any cooperative quests outside of the the new craglorn, all of the lvl50 quests are single player within your instance phase. Even if you group up you cannot do quests together, all you really get is an extra chat tab and help on mobs. All the modern MMOs have instance phasing primarily because if questing was forced to be interactable with other players, then other players would grief their quests from being completed.
I miss the days of UO, SWG and EQ where people didn't care if you did pvp, pve, rp or something else. People were playing a game together and they accepted other player types. Today its all so hostile, it just makes me sad.
Want to kill this game fast? Sure way to do that is to force PVP onto PVE players in areas that were normally designated as purely PVE. You bored outta your skull cause you have nothing to do in Cyrodil as you have to fight other PVP players who are as skilled or more so? PVE players should not become a game mechanic.
Nope, making a PVE options for justice system => players abusing exploits to get away from NPCs and as Sage said "no matter what we do, you will allways find a way". Seems like no solving that one, at least not on dev side.
So PVP players are so honorable they would never find a way to expliot player guards? That argument is so one sided to say that PVE players will exploit PVE guards. Of course Sage might have been just pandering to a PVP crowd at QuakeCon by saying there will be guard PVP so you too can chase nasty criminals and get in on the fun.
There is no gameplay impact to my PVE stealing and killing on anyone else, it does not matter to anyone elses game if I decide to let the PVE guards chase me if I think it is fun.
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I Think I will make my own mmo. It will be named Carebears vs Leet Feets. Should be a big hit.