Veteran Content too difficult?

Magdalina

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Until then, the silent masses will just keep leaving.

Or the silent masses keep on staying. It is hard to tell, they are silent after all.

Very easy to tell, you just go to any vet 3+ zone and check how many people are online at any given time. Granted, you won't be able to get precise numbers, but running around the zone and looking at zone chat will give you a good enough idea.

The idea will clearly be hinting the silent masses are not there. In best case, they're all farming Craglorn(now why would they do that when we have such fun and easy vet zones?!), worst case...yeah.

Perhaps i should have been more clear. As pointed out they are the silent masses. Even if you agree they are quitting since they are silent you have no actual way of knowing why they quit. Assuming they agree with whatever your problem is may not be correct.

Heck just yesterday there were threads saying everyone was quitting because of the nerfs to DKs and one saying everyone was quitting because of the changes to API.

If you don't like something express what you don't like and have a conversation about it, this whole everyone agrees with me thing going on is sort of silly. If you believe no one is playing veteran content, for all you know the silent masses have quit because the veterans levels were to easy.

Perhaps you should have. You said silent masses might be staying. I pointed out they were not. There was not a line in that my post about vet difficulty, do not put words in my mouth please;)

Far as reason goes...no, I do not know for sure most quit due to difficulty. I am sure many do, however. With the amount of other problems game has it might well not be the majority - but it is a big problem nonetheless. It's also part of other, yet bigger problem, on which I think "silent masses" agree with me.
Vet zones suck, as someone already summed it up.

For many reasons. For me, I like actual quest and story still. But it's just so tedious it's stopping being fun even for me. I'd be much better if vet trash was nerfed. A TON of other ppl would probably be much happier if vet zones were optional at all. I don't know what exactly they should do at this point, but they definitely need to do something.

Nidwin

Trash mobs need to see the nerf bat in Veteran Rank zones. And some of them hard and as soon as possible.

I can handle them
I can solo the Quests up to now (vr2 in VR3 zone)
I can fish and I've fun with pwning Trolls and other solo elites.

But you just can't expect every player out there to be able to do it too. And for those players Veteran Zones need to be nerfed.

Animus0724

Nidwin wrote: »

Trash mobs need to see the nerf bat in Veteran Rank zones. And some of them hard and as soon as possible.

I can handle them
I can solo the Quests up to now (vr2 in VR3 zone)
I can fish and I've fun with pwning Trolls and other solo elites.

But you just can't expect every player out there to be able to do it too. And for those players Veteran Zones need to be nerfed.

Actually most players can do it hence why the difficulty will not be nerfed, doing that will hurt the core players and cater to a more "hack N' slash" group, we do not need this game dumbed down thank you, rather its better of players just smartened up....

think about it, you turn every mob in vet zones to jello and now every player is going to think they're pro, then they're going to run in a group dungeon, get themselves killed at the first set of mobs, then *** and whine to nerf dungeon mobs....

endless cycle of whining from bad players

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Magdalina wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Until then, the silent masses will just keep leaving.

Or the silent masses keep on staying. It is hard to tell, they are silent after all.

Very easy to tell, you just go to any vet 3+ zone and check how many people are online at any given time. Granted, you won't be able to get precise numbers, but running around the zone and looking at zone chat will give you a good enough idea.

The idea will clearly be hinting the silent masses are not there. In best case, they're all farming Craglorn(now why would they do that when we have such fun and easy vet zones?!), worst case...yeah.

Perhaps i should have been more clear. As pointed out they are the silent masses. Even if you agree they are quitting since they are silent you have no actual way of knowing why they quit. Assuming they agree with whatever your problem is may not be correct.

Heck just yesterday there were threads saying everyone was quitting because of the nerfs to DKs and one saying everyone was quitting because of the changes to API.

If you don't like something express what you don't like and have a conversation about it, this whole everyone agrees with me thing going on is sort of silly. If you believe no one is playing veteran content, for all you know the silent masses have quit because the veterans levels were to easy.

A TON of other ppl would probably be much happier if vet zones were optional at all. I don't know what exactly they should do at this point, but they definitely need to do something.

I do wonder about this. This is the mistake i felt they made. They should have either made vet zones full blown leveling just like all the other zones, you level get your points move on, or they should have capped the level at 50 and made the veterans levels optional for titles and other junk. But to try and mix the two came out wrong.

Although i would much rather keep grinding out levels then grinding out gear in dungeons.

Nidwin

@Animus0724‌

Sure.
And next month ZOS can remove mega from his megaserver and just call them, the 2 remaining servers.

I feel also very sorry for AD or DC (no idea who's the lucky winner) having to do Shadowfen at VR8. Must be fun as hell.

Hilgara

Ive enjoyed all the vet zones, even the second time round because I was playing a completely different combat style. Have to admit I'm not a role player so the quests themselves mean little to me. I don't read them or listen to the dialogue but they are varied enough to keep me interested and there aren't too many "kill 10 rats" quests. They are usually part of long quest lines. I do think they should give more VP though. Enough to out level the zones so at least you can max well before Craglorn if you complete all the quests in each zone.
I'm a completions and like to turn everything white before I move on but I still struggle to stay level appropriate and find myself falling behind, especially on the NB but I think this is partly due to the fact that one shot kills only give 20VP and the NB does a hell of a lot of one shots.

Animus0724

Nidwin wrote: »

@Animus0724‌

Sure.
And next month ZOS can remove mega from his megaserver and just call them, the 2 remaining servers.

I feel also very sorry for AD or DC (no idea who's the lucky winner) having to do Shadowfen at VR8. Must be fun as hell.

then why don't you join the "masses" and leave already

Nidwin

@Animus0724‌

I've already mentioned VR aren't an issue for me but for a lot of players it actually is.

Anyway.
There's no point to discuss anything with peeps like you. The only thing you care about is your fun and you don't give a damn about anyone else, especially not the people you call "masses".

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Nidwin wrote: »

@Animus0724‌

I've already mentioned VR aren't an issue for me but for a lot of players it actually is.

Anyway.
There's no point to discuss anything with peeps like you. The only thing you care about is your fun and you don't give a damn about anyone else, especially not the people you call "masses".

While he may have come on a little strong, it is a game. If you aren't concerned with your fun, why are you playing? When anyone makes post, they are almost always just thinking about what they want. What would be fun for them. Now some people like to pretend everyone agrees with them, but mostly that is just trying to convince people that yes what they want should be the way.

Animus0724

Nidwin wrote: »

@Animus0724‌

you don't give a damn about anyone else, especially not the people you call "masses".

I really don't, why should I, I played and had many failures, I got up learned my mistakes and went back at it in beast mode, No one helped me, I simply learned... If players are too lazy to do this then they really shouldn't be whining for the game to be dumbed down, rather spend their time learn how to actually be decent at the game...If you want to progress in a game, you have to get better...end of story

I earned my stripes I have the right to say this

Nidwin

In a single player game I would agree with you but not in a mmorpg and certainly not one the size of TESO.

Not everyone is as stubborn as you and me, or die hard and often if needed.
And in this case we have to ask to lower the difficulty so our little bros and sistas can stay on the same roller-coaster as us.

I'm not asking to have NPC's being brought back to level 1-50 difficulty but when every fight starts to look like a Boss fight ,some, and seemingly in our case a lot, players are just going to give up on TESO and move on.

Alphashado

This thread and every thread like it is a joke. I started a thread yesterday offering a compromise to this issue and asking other people to offer suggestions on a compromise. It sank faster than the Titanic. Prolly on page 5 already. Nobody wants to compromise. It has to be their way or no way.

Everyone is selfish it seems. Everyone just wants to fight about it while the game just continues to bleed subs.

A "veteran zones suck!" Or " l2p" thread gets 10 pages while "vet zone compromise" gets nothing. It's disgusting.

LariahHunding

Alphashado wrote: »

This thread and every thread like it is a joke. I started a thread yesterday offering a compromise to this issue and asking other people to offer suggestions on a compromise. It sank faster than the Titanic. Prolly on page 5 already. Nobody wants to compromise. It has to be their way or no way.

Everyone is selfish it seems. Everyone just wants to fight about it while the game just continues to bleed subs.

A "veteran zones suck!" Or " l2p" thread gets 10 pages while "vet zone compromise" gets nothing. It's disgusting.

I posted a thread along the same lines yesterday. Got 7 responses.

Hilgara

The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.

Animus0724

Alphashado wrote: »

This thread and every thread like it is a joke. I started a thread yesterday offering a compromise to this issue and asking other people to offer suggestions on a compromise. It sank faster than the Titanic. Prolly on page 5 already. Nobody wants to compromise. It has to be their way or no way.

Everyone is selfish it seems. Everyone just wants to fight about it while the game just continues to bleed subs.

A "veteran zones suck!" Or " l2p" thread gets 10 pages while "vet zone compromise" gets nothing. It's disgusting.

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Hilgara

Animus0724 wrote: »

Hi there, Welcome to the internet, seeing as this is your first visit to the information superhighway I am here to officially brief you on the forum lifestyle.

The forums are used to discuss many different variety of topics, mostly on how players suck or how pro players don't suck, but in the end we all leave a little less secure and a bit more nervous about what our faceless peers think about us. All fun and games on the internet

You may have also notice that raging has a habit of troll baiting, this is intended as it provides hours of entertainment for the rest of us, so if you're not part of the internet duel of death, grab a hotpocket and a Dr. Pepper™ and enjoy the show.

It is in your best interest to learn all the cool, hip lingo used by the youngsters here on the internet if you wish to become cool and hip yourself here on the interwebs. Being liked on the internet is a life achievement sought by so many fat and lonely people so it is your responsibility that you do as much as you can to earn some
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God I wish I'd copied and pasted that

Alphashado

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

Animus0724

Alphashado wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

Your broken ass comment is garbage

I demand a hotfix NOW!!

you're too slow L2fixFaster

OMG this comment sucks IM GOING TO QUIT commenting back to you soon

look at all the people not replying to your comment, the numbers are obvious and its obvious you don't care about your audience...

I quit!!! but im going to stay just so i can whine about how mad I am that you can't fix your comment faster...

Alphashado

Animus0724 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

Your broken ass comment is garbage

I demand a hotfix NOW!!

you're too slow L2fixFaster

OMG this comment sucks IM GOING TO QUIT commenting back to you soon

look at all the people not replying to your comment, the numbers are obvious and its obvious you don't care about your audience...

I quit!!! but im going to stay just so i can whine about how mad I am that you can't fix your comment faster...

I never said I was going to quit. I like the game. And I care about its future. People like you are acting childish and ignoring what's happening right before your eyes.

Animus0724

Alphashado wrote: »

Animus0724 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

Your broken ass comment is garbage

I demand a hotfix NOW!!

you're too slow L2fixFaster

OMG this comment sucks IM GOING TO QUIT commenting back to you soon

look at all the people not replying to your comment, the numbers are obvious and its obvious you don't care about your audience...

I quit!!! but im going to stay just so i can whine about how mad I am that you can't fix your comment faster...

I never said I was going to quit. I like the game. And I care about its future. People like you are acting childish and ignoring what's happening right before your eyes.

but you fail to realize the massive amount of players not replying you your comment, it's because you're not fixing it, why is it still broken?

It's hard to read, why can't I read it, fix it NOW!!! nurf

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

Alphashado wrote: »

Animus0724 wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

Your broken ass comment is garbage

I demand a hotfix NOW!!

you're too slow L2fixFaster

OMG this comment sucks IM GOING TO QUIT commenting back to you soon

look at all the people not replying to your comment, the numbers are obvious and its obvious you don't care about your audience...

I quit!!! but im going to stay just so i can whine about how mad I am that you can't fix your comment faster...

I never said I was going to quit. I like the game. And I care about its future. People like you are acting childish and ignoring what's happening right before your eyes.

*whoosh*

Hilgara

Just to note. The recent change to make mobs immune to repeated CC has NOT been acknowledged as an issue with the last patch. This change makes vet content even more difficult so we have to conclude that ZoS likes difficult.

Hilgara

Alphashado wrote: »

<blockquote class="Quote">
<div class="QuoteAuthor"><a href="/profile/1372171/Hilgara">Hilgara</a> said:</div>
<div class="QuoteText">The issue is not how to change the difficulty. its whether it needs changed alt all, which is why you don't get may people in compromises. If you actually look at the different positions adopted in these threads the actual number of people who think its too difficult is quite low. Most just think its boring. They can do it ok but don't want to. That's the issue you need to fix not the difficulty.</div>
</blockquote>
<p>That is a bunch of ignorant, selfish garbage. </p>

That is illegable

Magdalina

Hilgara wrote: »

Just to note. The recent change to make mobs immune to repeated CC has NOT been acknowledged as an issue with the last patch. This change makes vet content even more difficult so we have to conclude that ZoS likes difficult.

You're an optimistic one, aren't you?

Broken main quest in Bangkorai(which effectively halted all progress because you can't get to next zone without finishing Bangkorai) took days to be acknowledge as a bug, too. Now, we can conclude they like breaking our quests because it sure seems the case, but I'd rather hope such a conclusion would be incorrect...

And I thought Hilgara does NOT like this new kind of difficult?;)

LariahHunding

Hilgara wrote: »

Just to note. The recent change to make mobs immune to repeated CC has NOT been acknowledged as an issue with the last patch. This change makes vet content even more difficult so we have to conclude that ZoS likes difficult.

More like they are tinkering with PvP without a thought to PvE.

Hilgara

Magdalina wrote: »

And I thought Hilgara does NOT like this new kind of difficult?;)

I don't like this change no. But thats because I liked my stun locking rogue. I've been doing a bit of experimenting though and I just have to slot heated blades to make them miss me for 4 seconds until I can stun them again
So all is good.
Biggest problem is you dont know for sure if they are immune until you get the message. Seems very random. It makes it more of a lottery. I prefer winning with skill than luck

Loligo

I certainly found that V1 and V2 stuff was normal enough, but at V3 I can barely keep my inventory of soul stones. I'm annihilated at nearly every turn.

I assume that some of this difficulty spike is my own fault, but wow... it was a huge change going from v2 to v3

Hilgara

Loligo wrote: »

I certainly found that V1 and V2 stuff was normal enough, but at V3 I can barely keep my inventory of soul stones. I'm annihilated at nearly every turn.

I assume that some of this difficulty spike is my own fault, but wow... it was a huge change going from v2 to v3

I found the difficulty ramped at the end of a zone rather than related to the vet level. Most zones start you off with groups of 1 or 2 but by the end you have groups of 3 and a summoned. So going to the next area actually made it easier for a while

kitsinni

It really doesn't matter if some people don't find it hard, or if some people found ways to get through it. What matters is for a lot of people it is not fun. At the end of the day if your game doesn't appeal to casuals it fails and VR content just doesn't. Hardcore MMO fans jump ship faster than the people on the Titanic. They are not what keeps a game going.

Hilgara

kitsinni wrote: »

It really doesn't matter if some people don't find it hard, or if some people found ways to get through it. What matters is for a lot of people it is not fun. At the end of the day if your game doesn't appeal to casuals it fails and VR content just doesn't. Hardcore MMO fans jump ship faster than the people on the Titanic. They are not what keeps a game going.

Not sure I agree there. The truly hardcore players become very invested in their characters. I was in a hardcore raiding guild in WoW and there were some very dedicated players. In EvE online they were even worse. You were expected to take a day off work if someone invaded your space. The infamous Red Pen message.