Goodbye Sorcerers...

Pele

Absinthe wrote: »

What bothers me most is that Zenimax listens to whomever complains the loudest.

That is what truly concerns me.

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Bhakura

I guess something got nerfed again? awwww

AlexDougherty

Bhakura wrote: »

I guess something got nerfed again? awwww

Probably, I'm playing my sorc at the minute, can't tell what got nerfed though.
I play all four classes btw, so I don't want anything to be nerfed, just boosted. (yes I know that a boost is effectively a nerf to the other classes).

dsalter

this nerf only stopped me from spamming it from 8times down to 5. and i'm only using 5 light armor so i could probably use it 6-7 times, it was a needed nerf for the fact you could just troll or effortlessly live through 20man zergs

fredarbonab14_ESO

^^^ "It's sadly irrelevant how substantial these paranoid claim are. Because it still looks like QQ has a huge impact on the game play, from a user/customers point of view. That's also why we have one of the most toxic, cruel and miserable gaming communities out there."

Wrong, the game is packed with happy players having fun, trading with each other and helping each other, but you couldn't tell that by judging by these forums.

Every one of these forums always becomes a contest of shocking, bombastic stands and claims and mean-spirited predictions and ill-wishes from the most aggressive and thoughtless to get their way, ~especially~ in PvP games and and among those maxing way too quickly. Thank God this useless platform for complaining is not an option IN the game, since if one carries this way IN the game, you will instantly be told: 'If you are that miserable, why are you playing the game?'.

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DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Lololol im vet 1 sorc and can use it loads b4 going oom and even with a Stan build, and they will be making dark exchange usable whilst moving and that's more op, spam be 5 times, dark exchange, BE rinse repeat, clearly were abusing it in pvp, im glad its nerfed and i still think its op compared to other classes, infact the whole bloody class is superior in every role, its stupid

Aeaeren

The way I see the 50% more to cast within 4 seconds is you now have to make a choice. Are you really wanting to escape and if so then use it and escape, otherwise you were using it to be untouchable. Yes I know I can chain you, shield charge ect ect ect. Get over it and adapt to the change.

CASP3R421

Absinthe wrote: »

What bothers me most is that Zenimax listens to whomever complains the loudest.

That is what truly concerns me.

This does seem to be a problem, especially because th loudest opinions are usually the wrong ones. Another disheartening thing is that every time you shut down a troll on these forums your post gets edited by a gm like trolling is carebear friendly all of a sudden. How about we put that kind of attention into the constant in game mail il I get about gold sellers?

Jimm_ay

they need to nerf that power that teleport you to a wayshrine 900 miles from your quest when you die.

Teevesnacks

so it turns out, the world didn't end and players are still playing sorcs.....

AngryWolf

Wow..it's just a game, relax. One of the toons I play most and enjoy most is my sorcerer and I haven't noticed and big changes that affect my game play.

With a new MMO they are bound to tweak classes here and there. The've said it they will do in small increments and see how things go, so don't assume what you aren't liking now is set in stone. Be patient, enjoy the game!

xaraan

I'm sorry, but I keep seeing DKs complain about the nerfs to their class and now Sorcs about Bolt Escape. Much like DKs, the power isn't even nerfed as much as it should be and I still see it spammed constantly in Cyrodiil. I've seen zero impact on it's use in battle. Still have sorcs BE-ing ten times to get away from a fight or BE-ing through a group to instantly build up ultimate while stunning half the enemies. And not just an observation on enemies: Most of my friends that play sorcs have been unaffected by the nerf and still use the power the same way.

Also, NBs have already had their sneak attack ultimate nerfed so that it doesn't use sneak attack damage.

Korereactor

PVE full light armor Sorc here...don't use bolt escape...or a pet. No need to. So, don't really care.

JunkyardWolf

I think the OP needs to reroll his toon and name it " Ive-been-nerfed"

Mortosk

Tankzo wrote: »

Congratulations everyone,

You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.

Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.

Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.

Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)

I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.

See? I knew he was just being sarcastic all along.

Baphomet

I think the OP needs to reroll his toon and name it " Ive-been-nerfed"

I think I might steal this idea....

Anyways, if the MMO communities (I mean all of them) would take all the effort they put into arguing, QQing, bullying, whining, whatever and put it all into constructive critism and trouble-shooting, we'd have some of the best games in the world.

Mortosk

Baphomet wrote: »

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I think the OP needs to reroll his toon and name it " Ive-been-nerfed"

I think I might steal this idea....

Anyways, if the MMO communities (I mean all of them) would take all the effort they put into arguing, QQing, bullying, whining, whatever and put it all into constructive critism and trouble-shooting, we'd have some of the best games in the world.

They tried that once, and this was the result:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbT-cW8Zb7o

Singular

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

Sorcs get one nerf and they are all quitting? Try playing non staff/LA dk's.

Hey, once we unionized we didn't have a choice. Union votes for strike, we all go on strike.

Asava

The problem with the BE adjustment is that is sets a precedent in the game. Now it is acceptable, and expected, that ALL tier 5 abilities should have TWO penalties for use tied to the ability. One regen halt and the other is a usage penalty in the primary pool that it uses. Now we as customers should expect that ALL tier 5 abilities should have both components tied to the abilities for all classes. In fact, all abilities that are spammed should have the same adjustment to them to prevent spamming. That is after all the fair thing to do.

Malmai

How can a Horse be faster than a Lighting...

JunkyardWolf

Malmai wrote: »

How can a Horse be faster than a Lighting...

Ignition switch on his south side then feed em lots of oats :P

Teargrants

NerfEverything wrote: »

It is impressive that every DK, NB, and Templar, plus the 95% of Sorcs that don't suck, all agree that the BE change was needed. Yet the minority 5% of sorcs who still haven't L2P are so vocal on the forums you would think that their class is the worst in the game.

It is impressive where you got those numbers from, because I find THIS really damn confusing.

As far as I can tell from that poll, the ones screaming for BE nerfs were the vocal minority, not the other way around.

Arsenic_Touch

Did the sky fall yet?

Bicca1974

Kirsika wrote: »

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As far as I can tell from that poll, the ones screaming for BE nerfs were the vocal minority, not the other way around.

As far as I can tell is above said evidence of having not the slightest clue of what was going on here the last weeks and then trying to write about it. In short: ***. Hahaha. *laughter fades out in the distance*

OT. I don't care about it.

Teargrants

Holy grammar Batman! For someone who doesn't care you seem awfully worked up. I'm so sorry I upset you by offering a relevant comment to the discussion in this thread. What proportion of players actually thought a BE nerf was needed is still relevant to the issue, believe it or not.

indytims_ESO

Vamps and Sorcs needed the nerfs.

But it makes sense that many Vamp and Sorc players would not agree with that. It's not often that players of a class -want- their class to be nerfed.

As for Zeni listening to the loudest voices... some of the complaints are pretty valid (like BE, Vamp nastiness, etc).

But then again, there are lots of loud complaints Zeni just ignores (where's the AH? Why haven't broken STA builds/abilities been fixed? Rune stacking is still broken. Light armor/staff is still by far and away the best armor/weapon combo in the game - which is ludicrous, really).

So no, I don't think Zeni 'balances' the game based solely on the tears shed in this forum.

TRIP233

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aco5712 wrote: »

That "hidden change" has been around since betaish. BE change shouldnt be such a huge factor.... If you were casting it 8 times in a row then you deserve the nerf and should learn how to play your class. If you did it once or twice then the change wont effect you.

50% increase won't affect you? I haven't seen any other nerf call for 50% cost increase no matter how many people spam them. How is that fair? Is BE more OP than impulse, Banner, talon?

It's more OP then the vampire skill Mist Form. Now it is more in line with that movement ability. The nerf was justified. This is something you should have seen coming because of the people crying for the Mist Form nerf.

TRIP233

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Tabbycat wrote: »

I am waiting for the inevitable nerf to light armor and destruction/resto staves.

When all armor and weapon types are nerfed... what will we do then?

What do you mean all armor and weapon types? If you choose any weapon that depends on stamina, its already nerfed. This is must be some kind of sinister joke or something. The things people do to protect their cash cow at times. The last time they nerfed DK, I didn't say anything about it because I highly agreed with the changes. Shield bashing DK was incredibly way too op. If they need to nerf something else on it, I welcome the change as long as it makes for class equality. The only problem I really had with the sorc is that bolt escape. Besides that, they perform very well and don't need it as long as they work with a group, and sometimes in solo. I just hate trying to fight Goku from DBZ when in a battle that can instant transmission to the other side of the map.

Shield basing wasn't limited to only DK. Saying, or thinking it was only a DK move suggests that DK is actually a very weak class and can't survive with out a Non-class ability. But that is a lie, DK is the most OP class. With the nerfs it's be getting Sorcs are now the most OP class, and they got their first nerf. Don't think it is the only one that they will get. There is more in the future. Magic based characters are still OP compared to Stamina builds.

TRIP233

Phantorang wrote: »

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Tankzo wrote: »

Congratulations everyone,

You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.

Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.

Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.

Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.

Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)

I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.

Templars, you forgot templars, what about us?

Oh, Templar self heal?? Please tell us what heal that is...

Templar only heals the allied player with the most damage.

Templar's have at least 2 self heals: Healing Ritual, it Heals nearby allies
- Heal self for an additional 30% Then it has two different morphs to it, It can either have reduced cast time, or do an addition 100 something healing after 8 seconds.

Then there is Restoring Aura, it When slotted:
- Increases stamina and health regeneration by x%

When activated:
- Increases the health and stamina regeneration of nearby allies by an additional 60% for x seconds, once you morph it it will give you a self heal for every dead thing on the ground about 100 health per dead thing.

Oberstein

Nice, death to all magicka.