Goodbye Sorcerers...
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dafraorb16_ESO✭✭✭Clear case of forced QQ. If you stay silent, your class gets less and less enjoyable to play. You have to whine, to keep up.
Actually surprised there aren't more treads with whining, furious Sorcerers, trying to protect their future game play.
Of course, most adjustments are based on Zeni collected data. But this is still the impression people get on these forum and from the community. If you don't desperately rage about buffs and nerfs in caps, than your class or favourite skill line get screwed over badly.
Look at NB, still getting major dps buffs, while they can 2-3 shot players on live from sneak. Than poof away and jump the next sitting duck.
Look at DK, still getting nerfed because they didn't rage hard enough and took it like champs.
It's sadly irrelevant how substantial these paranoid claim are. Because it still looks like QQ has a huge impact on the game play, from a user/customers point of view. That's also why we have one of the most toxic, cruel and miserable gaming communities out there.
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Paladin_echo1✭✭✭I am waiting for the inevitable nerf to light armor and destruction/resto staves.
When all armor and weapon types are nerfed... what will we do then?
What do you mean all armor and weapon types? If you choose any weapon that depends on stamina, its already nerfed. This is must be some kind of sinister joke or something. The things people do to protect their cash cow at times. The last time they nerfed DK, I didn't say anything about it because I highly agreed with the changes. Shield bashing DK was incredibly way too op. If they need to nerf something else on it, I welcome the change as long as it makes for class equality. The only problem I really had with the sorc is that bolt escape. Besides that, they perform very well and don't need it as long as they work with a group, and sometimes in solo. I just hate trying to fight Goku from DBZ when in a battle that can instant transmission to the other side of the map.
Edited by Paladin_echo1 on June 9, 2014 2:59PM1 -
"Why shouldn't I be able to B.E in a large group, stun them all, and then leave and have no consequences? God, we're unplayable now" - What sorcerers think
Any half decent player (sorcerer players included) know that this is a fair change.4 -
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✭✭moxsapphire_ESO wrote: »Somehow, I think sorcerers will be just fine
MEANWHILE, in melee templar land..........................
Melee sorc is right there with melee templar. My melee sorc could use bolt escape three times at 100% magicka BEFORE the nerf. Now only twice. Since only one use does not take me out of charge range, bolt escape is now a useless ability for me.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
You received 500 LOLs. It ain't no fluke, you post great stuff and we're lucky to have you here. +50 points2 -
smercgames_ESO✭✭✭Has anyone ever thought that... Things are nerfed because of the data Zenimax finds? And people realize the same through by actually playing the game so they complain about it? If such a big portion of the community is complaining about a skill maybe thats because.... the skill should be toned down a bit? I know it sounds crazy but maybe JUST MAYBE players actually come to the same initial conclusion as ZOS when it comes to seeing what skills are too strong and which are too weak.
I'm sure they begin investigating certain skills due to feedback from players which a lot of time cause from whine posts but that doesn't mean they go "Well we found a thread about BE being OP so it must be true NERF IT! NERF IT NOW!"1 -
drogon1✭✭✭✭I hate nerfs....all of them. But some are frankly needed to correct broken gameplay.
But what I find most entertaining is how the OP views Zeni as a victim of the playerbase in this. Po' Zeni victimized into nerfing sorcs by the bully playerbase. Hehe.2 -
Daethz✭✭✭If Bolt Escape alone was rigged enough to cause a outrage by sorc players, anger by all non-sorc players and rage-quits because it was nerfed.
Good Riddance rigged a$$ spell.Waiting, and watching, for the return of Melee Weapons.
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Vashir✭✭Seriously? I'm a sorcerer and this was a badly-needed change.* The way Bolt Escape was being used was clearly not intended. If you were a sorcerer in PVP, and used this technique along with Crystal Blast and a few other spells, you were a better ninja attacker than a Nightblade because you could zip in and zip out and be out of range before people could free themselves from the stun.
If you had two sorcerers using the technique in sequence, you could be killed without even being able to take a single action. Granted you aren't supposed to be able to fight off hordes of PC attackers in PVP by yourself, but the lack of options is frustrating when you are otherwise well-matched. It was quite overpowered. The rest of the Sorcerer class could use some tweaking, but this was definitely one spot I can't believe anyone would complain about unless you're just trolling.
If you depended on this as your primary mode of attack, you just won't be able to do it endlessly anymore. **
Players can be such drama queens o_O
* If only NPC healers had the same limitations
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Inco✭✭✭✭OMG - really? BE gets additional cost and you are complaining? Yeah DK's got a big ole whack on them a couple times. You are FINE...
How about Templars? Yea.. play one of them and then you can complain. Sorc's still have great REGEN and utility. "Pecking Order still exists DK>SORC>NB>TEMPLAR".1 -
Vashir✭✭Addendum: regarding the "toxic communities" comments above - all MMO forums are like this now. This is a cultural issue (or perhaps millennial/generational), not specific to any one game. I feel for the moderators who have to control their tempers at some of these posts and/or take doses of Xanax just to make it through some of these threads.3
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Clear case of forced QQ. If you stay silent, your class gets less and less enjoyable to play. You have to whine, to keep up.
Actually surprised there aren't more treads with whining, furious Sorcerers, trying to protect their future game play.
true dat, if you stay silent, other class will just keep QQing you to death, look at some DKs, thats the example of how to keep QQing so they won't waving the nerf bat further.
Seriously, you don't QQ, you have no voice.1 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
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The most efficient way to see if your class is balanced or inbalanced compaired to the rest is...Go check at the TOP pvp list what classes these people are and then come back and tell us what you saw
More likely you have to use another ability/gear setup i guess..
top 10 has 7 DKs, 2 temp and 1 sorc. Report finished, cha ching!1 -
CosmicChaos✭✭✭
Guess you guys won't be out running people on horseback anymore. This is only going to effect the Sorc who were spamming BE. So yea they tone down your easy mode. This was something that needed to addressed.Congratulations everyone,
You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.
Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.
Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.
Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.
Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)
I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.
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crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭CosmicChaos wrote: »Guess you guys won't be out running people on horseback anymore. This is only going to effect the Sorc who were spamming BE. So yea they tone down your easy mode. This was something that needed to addressed.
easy mode for travel nerfed
easy mode for survive nerfed
easy mode for kill (DKs)... nope, still going strong1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
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What bothers me most is that Zenimax listens to whomever complains the loudest.
Sadly, that is the way of things with MMORPGs that have a strong PvP element to them. No-one whines louder than a defeated player, and it is always the fault of the over-powered class skills that defeated him rather than his lack of personal skill. As all PvP encounters end with people dying, the forums are always full of people whining about class balance.
'Twas ever thus, and the only answer is for skills to be structured separately as between PvP and PvE.
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Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭Paladin_echo1 wrote: »
What do you mean all armor and weapon types? If you choose any weapon that depends on stamina, its already nerfed. This is must be some kind of sinister joke or something. The things people do to protect their cash cow at times. The last time they nerfed DK, I didn't say anything about it because I highly agreed with the changes. Shield bashing DK was incredibly way too op. If they need to nerf something else on it, I welcome the change as long as it makes for class equality. The only problem I really had with the sorc is that bolt escape. Besides that, they perform very well and don't need it as long as they work with a group, and sometimes in solo. I just hate trying to fight Goku from DBZ when in a battle that can instant transmission to the other side of the map.
It's scary when Goku has his finger out2 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
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Sadly, that is the way of things with MMORPGs that have a strong PvP element to them. No-one whines louder than a defeated player, and it is always the fault of the over-powered class skills that defeated him rather than his lack of personal skill. As all PvP encounters end with people dying, the forums are always full of people whining about class balance.
'Twas ever thus, and the only answer is for skills to be structured separately as between PvP and PvE.
not entirely true in this instance, loudest voice to nerf BE is from some DKs losing easy kills.Edited by crislevin on June 9, 2014 3:30PM3 -
FunkyBudda✭✭✭Your are joking, yes?
While I do not appreciate the bolt escape nerf I do not believe it will be as catastrophic as you make it out to be. Although they should compensate with the stun duration and/or the damage component.
What bothers me most is that Zenimax listens to whomever complains the loudest.
That is what truly concerns me.
That's why you need to make sure you let them have a taste of their own medicine, when NB is "balanced" later, make sure you make a huge fuzz about with their class skills. Cant wait
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Paladin_echo1✭✭✭
Melee sorc is right there with melee templar. My melee sorc could use bolt escape three times at 100% magicka BEFORE the nerf. Now only twice. Since only one use does not take me out of charge range, bolt escape is now a useless ability for me.
Is the nerf really that bad? The last time I checked, Sorc does not have only Bolt Escape as a move. Like the other guy mentioned earlier bout people bolting faster than his 65% speed steed. Ultimately it makes you the best tank too because you can kite pve and pvp. Reminds me when a gank group of sorc in pvp would just tele into battle, gank, and by the time you look at your screen they have blinked out of the range of the map. There is something wrong when this happens.
Edited by Paladin_echo1 on June 9, 2014 3:43PM1 -
frwinters_ESO✭✭✭✭Congratulations everyone,
You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.
Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.
Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.
Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.
Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)
I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.
I love to see how people honestly think there didnt need to be a change to this obviously abused ability, especially in PvP. Sorcs were traveling across cyriodil faster than max speed horses! Thats not right. I am sure the ability was not designed to be a mode of transportation, but the ability to get out of combat, or get a better position on the field of battle, was the intended purpose of this ability. It is still a viable skill. I mean dam these BE nerf complaints are coming out literally an hour after patch time. Why not go into the game and try it for pete sake and see if it really affects your gameplay or not before you cry.1 -
IKilled007✭✭✭✭Congratulations everyone,
You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.
Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.
Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.
Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.
Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)
I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.
Proof that unskilled people were rolling Sorcs just to be able to faceroll everyone with huge damage without being killed. Now that they've made it a little harder for you to escape after killing 30 people in 3 seconds, you're upset. LOL too funny!
The only substitute for victory is overkill.3 -
crislevin✭✭✭✭✭
✭ikilled007b16_ESO wrote: »
Proof that unskilled people were rolling Sorcs just to be able to faceroll everyone with huge damage without being killed. Now that they've made it a little harder for you to escape after killing 30 people in 3 seconds, you're upset. LOL too funny!
I am genuinely curious about this, I heard people stating sorc having 800 dps (1200dps with atronach), somehow I never be able to do that, can somebody guide me through this powerful version of me I am not aware of?
Like, what spell rotation are you guys talking about?1 -
Aimelin✭✭✭frwinters_ESO wrote: »
I love to see how people honestly think there didnt need to be a change to this obviously abused ability, especially in PvP. Sorcs were traveling across cyriodil faster than max speed horses! Thats not right. I am sure the ability was not designed to be a mode of transportation, but the ability to get out of combat, or get a better position on the field of battle, was the intended purpose of this ability. It is still a viable skill. I mean dam these BE nerf complaints are coming out literally an hour after patch time. Why not go into the game and try it for pete sake and see if it really affects your gameplay or not before you cry.
I agree, and the good sorcs (that know their class) will be fine.
all the people that are crying here now are the *** that rolled sorc caus BE OP !!!! omg need roll sorc for play pvp.
I hope those baddie sorcs quit or roll something else, if not i'll still have fun killing them over & over as they attempt to BE away the second they take dmg.
This change needed to happen, it was stupid to see, even as a sorc, to see people use nothing but that and think they're "pro"
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moXrox✭✭✭Congratulations everyone,
You managed to get Zenimax to nerf the Sorcerer class (In addition to the Vampire) because it was "OP." Guess what you are helping to break the game and more will be coming.
Nightblades, this slippery slope will visit you and you will lose your stealth attack power and no longer will you take a Sorcerer from 100% down to 25% to 50% health with one attack.
Dragon Knights, you will be losing your "endless crowd-control" and healing.
Everyone who QQ'd about B.E. you have won, you have made the Sorcerer a very difficult class to choose for PVP (And you jacked every Sorcerer in PVE). I would like to thank you for helping to force Zenimax to break this game more.
Sorcerer
Storm Calling
Bolt Escape: After using Bolt Escape, the next use within 4 seconds costs 50% more.
(Hidden change: Mana regen is stopped for 4 seconds after B.E. is cast. Nice! Maybe you, Zenimax, can stop Stam regen after DKs and NBs use their abilities? Heck, while you are at it, remove the self-heal from all the Templars. That would help level the play-field.)
I guess I will focus on my DK & Templar until the play-field is leveled again.
Maybe you should rather adjust and learn how to play with the sorcerer changes instead rerolling to other classes who will have changes aswell ?
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Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭cjmarsh725b14_ESO wrote: »Pretty sure that's always been there. Also, as a sorc I don't find this to be that big of a deal.
Besides, there are workarounds. Dark Exchange. Potions (especially speed increase + magicka). Food. If you need Magicka, you can always find some, somewhere.
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wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭sigh another wha wha you broke my class thread what a joke..are you seriously trying to say that because you cant endlessly zip around and stun people or escape from every fight your class is broken now?
Your dps has not changed, you can still bolt away a few times before your out of manna so what is the issue? you cant do it endlessly your now not unkillable? oh what a shame. And for the record a good sorc will still use bolt effectively, its just not an endless spam ability now. you actually have to use it a little more sparingly now.
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Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »sigh another wha wha you broke my class thread what a joke..are you seriously trying to say that because you cant endlessly zip around and stun people or escape from every fight your class is broken now?
Your dps has not changed, you can still bolt away a few times before your out of manna so what is the issue? you cant do it endlessly your now not unkillable? oh what a shame. And for the record a good sorc will still use bolt effectively, its just not an endless spam ability now. you actually have to use it a little more sparingly now.
Glad other sorc's spoke up in stating it was needed
Yup Blink moves are not supposed to be spammable, in no game that I know of lets this happen1
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