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obviously we do not know the future, but i have only seen Battle Passes in other games increase currencies in them instead of decrease

SummersetCitizen wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

the value of the daily login rewards devaluing over time was because you probably needed less of the items being given out, like for me research timer skips are absolutely worthless and generally always have been (the part that also makes this worse is the rewards are bound so i cant even sell the stuff that is useless for me)

No, the rewards have gotten worse recently by design. What was once filler has now become the highlight of the month.

ZOS diluted their value for months to ensure people stopped looking forward to it. It got to the point that we received 5 poisons one day last month. People regularly started to comment how bad each month’s rewards were upon being announced. There was a time when rewards included high value items like crates, pets, emotes, a house and so on.

It isn’t a huge stretch to see this same system play out with tomes. The offerings in the free tome will likely start to become less impressive relative to the upgraded tomes. I am happy to be proven wrong, but only time will tell.

the collectibles that used to go in Daily Login Rewards went into Golden Pursuits.
You can compare DLR from before and after November 2024, first Pursuits Campaign was then.

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Daily_Rewards


Last month's 5 Poisons thing seemed like a bug as it was not like that this month nor past months, a zero seemed to be missing with a few rewards in January.


Why would the currency numbers in Tamriel Tomes change? seems really unlikely.
And the premium collectibles are likely to return in the Gold Coast Bazaar after a while, they introduced the Bazaar specifically for old items!
ZOS wants to reduce Fear Of Missing Out.


They even made a bunch of things free with u49. just naming a few:
- Werewolf and Vampire bites are not possible to pay for in the store anymore. And easier to get at new shrines without needing to redo quests.
- Respec is in the menu and free.
- Stables have more mounts for gold.
- Event Tickets are Trade Bars which have no limit and are not available in the Crown Store.

SummersetCitizen wrote: »

“Free” re-rolls are limited. This is a new way to extract money.

No, it's not, because if I re-roll and don't get what I want, I'll just do what I've been doing since they introduced endeavors. I'll skip whatever I don't want to do. But at least now, with limited free re-rolls, if there's an item or two that I really don't want to do, I have a chance to change it. We didn't have that before.

Nobody is forcing anyone to spend money.

I mean, hey, I can be pretty hard on ZOS at times, so if I thought the tomes were bad, I'd say so. But I don't.

Thx for the update, Kevin.

After Login, missing, quick search & your information I geto to play along like last years and I am still curious about the new endeavors with Tamriel Tome.

Yup... Daily Rewards being discontinued is a sad day.

Even if I couldn't do anything else on any given day, I'd always log in to claim those. Most of the time they were actually helpful, especially the crafting related materials, even if there were never many in any drop.

It was a very good daily incentive to log in.

Seals though, it always took forever to earn a reasonable amount to buy anything in the Seals store considering how much, again, the good stuff cost.

I am happy to see daily login and daily and weekly Endeavors gone. Such systems are basically for mobile games and not Premium price AAA that ESO is. And yes ESO is premium price, between chapters/content passes/seasons now, Crown Store, Crates and ESO+.

New system seems more reasonable and player's wont have to log in everyday just so they can get some items. It was especially annoying as some "cooler" Daily Rewards were on 14th or 21st day. Personally - I have life so I don't want to log in everyday just for sake of login in.

I will for sure buy every Premium pass and finish it in my own time.

Thanks for this update!

Lysorris wrote: »

It was especially annoying as some "cooler" Daily Rewards were on 14th or 21st day. Personally - I have life so I don't want to log in everyday just for sake of login in.

I didn't mind personally, it was literally 5 minutes out of my life to quickly log in and claim the daily reward if I had other things to do.

If at anytime i find i have to pay for extra something i will be cancelling ESO+ from my accounts and finding a new game

I think they should have had a message in the daily login rewards notification/tab today about daily login rewards no longer being a thing. It would have been easy to put a message there until the Tomes start.

I see a lot of people complaining on here about Daily Login Rewards and not getting them because of "life". I understand that, but they are "rewards", an incentive to at least take a few minutes and login to claim the reward. One person even claimed it was "discrimination"...that's a complete stretch, I hope they didn't pull a muscle with that claim. The Daily Login Rewards are a "reward" for logging in to the game, a freebie reward for playing the game. I do understand that life does get in the way, but again, it's a reward for playing the game.

While the daily endeavors are a grind to do (especially if you have multiple accounts), they could usually be done fairly quickly, and didn't take grouping up (the vast majority of them) to complete. Weekly endeavors could usually be done fairly quickly too. Did some players feel an obligation or pressure to get them done? Yes. Did some players feel no pressure or obligation to get them done? Yes.

It will be nice to not have the daily endeavors, but I think that having a set of weekly endeavors would have been okay, so instead of just a single weekly, you could complete 2 or 3 weekly endeavors out of like 5 choices, that would add up to the amount of daily endeavors done in a week so get those "precious" seals of endeavor.

It would have been nice that when they dropped the Daily Login Rewards today, that they would have started the Stable Master changes. It would be nice to just pay some gold to finish out horse riding today on new toons, and have the mounts for gold purchase that they said they would implement.

I will say that I will miss the Daily Login Rewards since I've played the game since Beta, but it will also be "nice" to not "miss" a Daily Login Reward because of real life, or some other reason. It's kind of a double edge sword.

Rev Rielle wrote: »

MidnightDuel wrote: »

Why can't the "System Alerts" be used in-game to telegraph important changes to players, like daily login rewards going away and the elimination of Daily/Weekly Endeavors? This would be a much better use of the system than the Companion messages during Hearts Week.

So few players know about the changes, and in-game messaging would go a long way to correcting that.

I think if players are even remotely interested in what’s going on, they would open the forums every couple of days and browse the official notices. It takes literally one or two minutes. (In this instance there have been various twitch streams too over the months, and links & summations of such posted on the official forums, reddit and elsewhere).

For a long time, this has been the preferred way for developers to communicate with the player base. I think the vast majority of players know that, I guess those that don't browse simply aren't worried enough to check, and as a result can reasonably expect that sometimes changes will take them by surprise when they log in.

And honestly, it’s only Daily Login Rewards and Endeavours that are going away (or being replaced). Arguably, it’s not a particularly major change and doesn’t really impact our playtime all that much.

The fora are toxic so people avoid them.
Many folks do not like using Twitch for social/political reasons.
A simple announcement would have reduced confusion for those that just want to play the game. This day, a few players were asking about the rewards not working. Posting a notice in the rewards box or replacing the group play announce would have helped them.
Suggesting that someone doesn't care about the game because they do not hang out on a social-base site sounds mean to me.

maybe in... announcements XD

Rev Rielle wrote: »

You can find it here: Announcments -> ESO's March 2026 Survival Guide.

i was referring to the in game announcements. seems like the perfect place to put this sort of thing

I know it's already done but I just wanted to say I am not a fan of this change. I despise battle passes with a fiery passion and while I do appreciate that we'll be getting story content for free now (a la Fallout 76's model), I absolutely hate how battle passes exploit FOMO and pressure people into playing the game a specific way.

Until recently, ESO had the best MMO business model I had seen. Base game purchase + chapter/DLC purchases and you never felt forced to pay further. The subscription always felt to me like an optional way to improve convenience and give you access to smaller DLCs you didn't feel like buying. The crown store felt fair. Even crown crates, which I normally wouldn't agree with, felt fair because of crown gems and the endeavor system. The endeavors felt like a fun, quick way to earn some currency to save over time to buy cosmetics here and there without being forced to pay real-world money. Not to mention the fact that the "Year of the ..." model and chapters also created a hype cycle every time, which would encourage me to get back into the game and feel like playing a lot again.

When golden pursuits began, I remarked on Steam that I was not happy but ZOS_Kevin encouraged us to give it a try. I gave it a fair try and at first, it wasn't horrible. But over time, they grew closer and closer to what I feared they'd be. Then, ever since we moved away from chapters, I have had zero hype for any new content whatsoever. This is only going to get worse with the seasons model, with the way it pressures FOMO and grinding content in specific ways.

I play video games to escape from real-world stress and tedium. I play ESO to explore and live in Tamriel.

I do not want to play a game the way the developer tells me to play just so I don't miss out on exclusive items that I may or may not ever be able to obtain again.

jaekobcaed wrote: »

I know it's already done but I just wanted to say I am not a fan of this change. I despise battle passes with a fiery passion and while I do appreciate that we'll be getting story content for free now (a la Fallout 76's model), I absolutely hate how battle passes exploit FOMO and pressure people into playing the game a specific way.

Until recently, ESO had the best MMO business model I had seen. Base game purchase + chapter/DLC purchases and you never felt forced to pay further. The subscription always felt to me like an optional way to improve convenience and give you access to smaller DLCs you didn't feel like buying. The crown store felt fair. Even crown crates, which I normally wouldn't agree with, felt fair because of crown gems and the endeavor system. The endeavors felt like a fun, quick way to earn some currency to save over time to buy cosmetics here and there without being forced to pay real-world money. Not to mention the fact that the "Year of the ..." model and chapters also created a hype cycle every time, which would encourage me to get back into the game and feel like playing a lot again.

When golden pursuits began, I remarked on Steam that I was not happy but ZOS_Kevin encouraged us to give it a try. I gave it a fair try and at first, it wasn't horrible. But over time, they grew closer and closer to what I feared they'd be. Then, ever since we moved away from chapters, I have had zero hype for any new content whatsoever. This is only going to get worse with the seasons model, with the way it pressures FOMO and grinding content in specific ways.

I play video games to escape from real-world stress and tedium. I play ESO to explore and live in Tamriel.

I do not want to play a game the way the developer tells me to play just so I don't miss out on exclusive items that I may or may not ever be able to obtain again.

I never thought that TESO had the best MMO business model, considering that the quality of the zones deteriorated year after year and they started releasing one zone per year that was rarely well-developed in terms of the main storyline.
Now, with the new system, they can create amazing and well-developed zones and quests. I also really like that new quests will finally appear in old zones.
I also don't quite understand what you're afraid of losing with the new BP system. You will have a free Tome in which you can collect the rewards you like in any order.
From weekly quests, you will receive about 4,000 Tome points. The most expensive reward on the PTS was 500 Tome points for a free Tamriel Tome.

In fact, I am very happy with the new system, because now I don't lose anything. I always bought the premium editions of Chapters, except for the last few years when the quality of the content began to bother me. Now I can get the Premium Tamriel Tome and not worry that I'll miss anything, because if I log into the game a month or a year after it ends, I can easily complete all the quests in it and collect the rewards. I also want to note how Bazaar solves the problem of rewards from previous years that were unavailable and could not be obtained, but now can be purchased on Bazaar. In fact, the new system has more advantages and there is no fear that I will miss out on anything, which I cannot say about the previous system.

PTS

LunaFlora wrote: »

@jaekobcaed
Gold Coast Bazaar is being added precisely to bring back items you previously would have thought you "may or may not ever be able to obtain again".

such as:
- Dragon's Treasure Trove
- old ESO Plus rewards
- Grand Gallery of Tamriel
- Dibella's Exaltation Style

and the Bazaar's currency is Trade Bars, which replaces Event Tickets.
They have no limit, do not expire, and can be acquired from at least Events and Tamriel Tomes.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/69139
^ Link to the official Bazaar post on the ESO website.

Well, I'll admit I misunderstood those things, that's definitely a positive.

But unless we have multiple ways to earn the currency and don't have to do all these stupid tasks like every other battle pass, I still can't get behind the whole idea.

jaekobcaed wrote: »

IviRo wrote: »

jaekobcaed wrote: »

I know it's already done but I just wanted to say I am not a fan of this change. I despise battle passes with a fiery passion and while I do appreciate that we'll be getting story content for free now (a la Fallout 76's model), I absolutely hate how battle passes exploit FOMO and pressure people into playing the game a specific way.

Until recently, ESO had the best MMO business model I had seen. Base game purchase + chapter/DLC purchases and you never felt forced to pay further. The subscription always felt to me like an optional way to improve convenience and give you access to smaller DLCs you didn't feel like buying. The crown store felt fair. Even crown crates, which I normally wouldn't agree with, felt fair because of crown gems and the endeavor system. The endeavors felt like a fun, quick way to earn some currency to save over time to buy cosmetics here and there without being forced to pay real-world money. Not to mention the fact that the "Year of the ..." model and chapters also created a hype cycle every time, which would encourage me to get back into the game and feel like playing a lot again.

When golden pursuits began, I remarked on Steam that I was not happy but ZOS_Kevin encouraged us to give it a try. I gave it a fair try and at first, it wasn't horrible. But over time, they grew closer and closer to what I feared they'd be. Then, ever since we moved away from chapters, I have had zero hype for any new content whatsoever. This is only going to get worse with the seasons model, with the way it pressures FOMO and grinding content in specific ways.

I play video games to escape from real-world stress and tedium. I play ESO to explore and live in Tamriel.

I do not want to play a game the way the developer tells me to play just so I don't miss out on exclusive items that I may or may not ever be able to obtain again.

I never thought that TESO had the best MMO business model, considering that the quality of the zones deteriorated year after year and they started releasing one zone per year that was rarely well-developed in terms of the main storyline.
Now, with the new system, they can create amazing and well-developed zones and quests. I also really like that new quests will finally appear in old zones.
I also don't quite understand what you're afraid of losing with the new BP system. You will have a free Tome in which you can collect the rewards you like in any order.
From weekly quests, you will receive about 4,000 Tome points. The most expensive reward on the PTS was 500 Tome points for a free Tamriel Tome.

In fact, I am very happy with the new system, because now I don't lose anything. I always bought the premium editions of Chapters, except for the last few years when the quality of the content began to bother me. Now I can get the Premium Tamriel Tome and not worry that I'll miss anything, because if I log into the game a month or a year after it ends, I can easily complete all the quests in it and collect the rewards. I also want to note how Bazaar solves the problem of rewards from previous years that were unavailable and could not be obtained, but now can be purchased on Bazaar. In fact, the new system has more advantages and there is no fear that I will miss out on anything, which I cannot say about the previous system.

PTS

I guess we'll see how it turns out. I'm still not keen on the whole idea. Literally every other game that added a battle pass ended up making me play less and in some cases, it took away my desire to play in general (RuneScape being a prime example until they removed the system).

I do appreciate the screenshot, though. Literally just sounds like Golden Pursuits on steroids to me, but again, I guess we'll see how it goes. I'm not exactly optimistic.

I play the game not for the sake of battle pass or daily quests for cosmetics; for me, that's just a nice bonus.
But if these changes improve the game in terms of quests, locations, new systems, etc., then I will buy them as a way to support the developer in developing the game. At this year's presentation and recent streams, I saw more than I have in the last 10 years (I'm not counting 2014, as the stream at QuakeCon 2014 was amazing), and I felt excited and interested in the game again.
What's important to me is the content, zones, quests, new PVP locations, etc. Let them be released throughout the year, rather than releasing one update that is unfinished and will take a year to fix, and then you'll have to pay $30 or more for it. I think they should have come up with this system much earlier.