I guess one thing they could do, is to only allow Crafted gear to go to CP180. Thus bringing crafted sets back into the game with this OP Drop Set Meta....

So You can choose, crafting and moar power or dropped and 'mo procced

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

To clarify, we do not plan on raising the gear cap when Morrowind launches in June. We’ll let you know when we plan to raise the gear cap in the future, but it won’t be in Homestead or Morrowind.

WHEN this happens you WILL be losing a lot of subscribers.

All MMO's do this, and its a royal Pain in _ _ _

The new carrot to get you to spend money

Any gear cap increase is pointless as long as the enemies are scaled. The only reason they would increase the gear cap will be to milk some more money from the players (Zenimax is getting pretty good at that).

j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »

Maff wrote: »

This will probably be when I quit playing. I don't have time or gold to get end game gear for 11 characters.

If you had the time and gold to build 11 characters all with end game gear - you have time and gold to do it again.

But why would you want to? It's not like people like doing CoA1 10,000 times to get all of the BSW items they need. So what does a gear cap increase add to the game, other than an artificial grind to regain lost power that we already had in the first place?

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

MrTtheDK wrote: »

Gear cap will be raised. Of course Gina would use the term when. It is outrageous to think in a game where its gone for v10, v12, v14 and v16 (160 CP) to not have a gear increase. It isn't something new to MMO's and its part of the grind. Ive spent thousands of hours grinding gear and millions of gold and it is W/E. Part of the game. The frequency of change would be concerning if it happened like v10 to v14 was but I would not be surprised if it happened once every 1-2 years. (CP 180, 200 ect). While I love the game, ZoS changes direction so frequently I've learned to just go with it.

Except other games don't have the abhorrent RNG ESO has. They don't have to drop in some set, they don't have traits that also need to be perfect. They don't have "RNG" that heavily favors one type of weapon over others. Then the grind of going through vMA which eats even more of your resources just to give you crap. It's bad enough that you as a player don't realize it but ZoS needs to finally fix this joke of a grind. They increased CP gear because at that time crafting was still good. But now that they're reliant on grinding for gear the work effort to get equipped for end game content is worse than a free2play game.

WoW has secondary and tertiary stats and gem socket and raid lockout preventing farming the gear in the pase it suits you.

ESO is not worse than other MMOs and they really, really should think about increasing gear cap levels soon. It is good for the game if you look past the "OMG I have to grind everything again"-QQ.

But, a system to upgrade gear levels would also be nice I think, to accompany the next increase.

Why is it good for the game, though? Adding new sets can get people playing the game and grinding again, but they're grinding new content instead of the stuff they've already played through sometimes literally thousands of times. All it does is add an artificial grind to get back to the same place where we already were.

ZiRM wrote: »

All those people with high end gear that they paid for or took the time to grind or make it. It's all for nothing...

Not really. I have all this top end gold gear with an almost endless stream of tempers on all crafts with multiple hirelings, refines etc. It's not a problem to have to farm a new gear set and upgrade it, in fact, its welcomed as it gives you something new to do again.

They're better off adding numerous more sets to the game. Crafted sets, monster sets, open world sets, pvp sets, and trials sets.

Raising the gear cap is unnecessary.

Developers seem to forget that we play on our terms. Not theirs.

Zinaroth wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

MrTtheDK wrote: »

Gear cap will be raised. Of course Gina would use the term when. It is outrageous to think in a game where its gone for v10, v12, v14 and v16 (160 CP) to not have a gear increase. It isn't something new to MMO's and its part of the grind. Ive spent thousands of hours grinding gear and millions of gold and it is W/E. Part of the game. The frequency of change would be concerning if it happened like v10 to v14 was but I would not be surprised if it happened once every 1-2 years. (CP 180, 200 ect). While I love the game, ZoS changes direction so frequently I've learned to just go with it.

Except other games don't have the abhorrent RNG ESO has. They don't have to drop in some set, they don't have traits that also need to be perfect. They don't have "RNG" that heavily favors one type of weapon over others. Then the grind of going through vMA which eats even more of your resources just to give you crap. It's bad enough that you as a player don't realize it but ZoS needs to finally fix this joke of a grind. They increased CP gear because at that time crafting was still good. But now that they're reliant on grinding for gear the work effort to get equipped for end game content is worse than a free2play game.

WoW has secondary and tertiary stats and gem socket and raid lockout preventing farming the gear in the pase it suits you.

ESO is not worse than other MMOs and they really, really should think about increasing gear cap levels soon. It is good for the game if you look past the "OMG I have to grind everything again"-QQ.

But, a system to upgrade gear levels would also be nice I think, to accompany the next increase.

A gem socket doesn't render the item itself useless, nor is the RNG for that thrown into a single dice roll of 13 weapons + jewlery, x3 for sets and that further x8 for traits. And of course it's rigged to heavyily favor bows, resto staves and the worthless boss weapons adding to the list of bad odds.

Let's see how many Burning Spellweave firestaffs or swords you can get in lets say 500 runs. Nevermind the trait. My guess is you'll have zero so don't tell me something about "QQ". There is a difference if something needs to be acquired through work and something that is basically not existent in the game.

Nyx2 wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Nyx2 wrote: »

Gandrhulf_Harbard wrote: »

Jimbullbee85 wrote: »

Maybe they could auto upgrade all cp160 purple and golden gear in our inventory to cp180 aslong as the character is cp180 or higher. They did say they weren't going to do this thoughtlessly which should be a good sign.

One obvious route to do this is via the Morrowind quest line (assuming an Item CP cap increase happens).

Have certain quests reward an Item Upgrade Token, that allows a CP160 Item to be upgraded to a CP170, or CP180 item.

You must not have a lot of gear.

Last I checked we can only wear on full set of armour, carry up to two weapons (4 if you bar swap between two x dual wield) and wear three bits of jewelry.

So a full set of gear comprises up to 14 pieces.

If you CHOOSE to want more than that the onus is on you to put in the extra work to keep your gear up to par.

Don't whine about a secondary or tertiary gear-grind you CHOSE.

All The Best

You talk like your token system is already implemented. It isn't.

There are many reasons why a player would want more than one setup and I don't mean the obvious difference from PvE to PvP. The tokens would do nothing but clutter the inventory of those that don't need them and not long after become irrelevant because there is nothing left to upgrade. A pointless chore that still leaves us with the worst RNG of any MMO and more grinding for new sets.

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I am not going to argue with over the RNG in this game - its is atrocious.

And I understand why someone may want more than one set of gear - but that is still a choice.

No one is forced to farm a 2nd or 3rd set of gear - we choose to.

All The Best

Okay, so it's safe to grind for gear still. lol

If Morrowind introduced CP 200 gear or something I wouldn't even bother for the next 3 months.

I am rethinking my position a bit.

If they did something like:
New gear cap is tier-11 cp 170 -200 ( four levels at 10pt increments)
Requires new mat type, not just more rubyduby.
Only available for crafted gear.

Advantages:
No new grinding trials and arenas and dungeons. Those best ofvarecstill best of.
Gives crafted sets a seat at the end game table with the unique ability to get cp170+.
Both types will be needed... though some better combos of all drops no crafted may still be viable.

Content would be tougher but not grossly so if your gesr was up to snuff.

Still pondering but i could see the posdibility of letting higher gear csp being the unique crafted set edge that secures thrir role while not driving drop sets out of the party.

I paid over a million gold for the entire Lich set a year ago.

Then One Tamriel comes along and they made it drop like poo from a flatulent rabbit..

Now it will be devalued more by raising the level caps.

Surely they will have to offer some form of upgrade path (be it crowns or whatever). Id pay it.. no question. But one thing i will not do is farm cyro dolmens for 3 months trying to get a single drop on Dyloras Staff and eventually give up and pay 300k for it again.

I dont care if i have to farm standard BoE stuff again or even Monster Helms but extreme rarities like that.. or Maelstrom weps, nah thats not cool.

There is no need for them to raise the gear level all they need to do is make new sets with different resists or some such that make them the new bis, or at least desired for certain places in the game. Then people would probably grind things but because they want to not because they have to. Just look at what happened when they introduced the overland sets. Most went out and willingly put themselves to work trying to get the set they wanted.

Quite frankly I do not see any real benefit from their standpoint nor ours concerning raising the gear cap when every thing scales. If the new cp whatever did not have a good boost to it in armor resists or other various things what would be the incentive to go through all of the grind again. If it does beef things up then every one has to go through and grind everything again. Most will not welcome such a change because again it is a forced reset. There is no choice. Things work out better if people feel they have a choice.

For example I have a good set all bis...for this example....but this new set comes out that has a bunch of fire resist on it and a new dungeon and many new areas have lots of fire I would consider changing out my gear or at least having a set of the new stuff because I wanted the resist. It makes it easier to do the new content and I would do it because I felt the need not because the game devs felt all my old stuff should now be like white gear just so I would have to go get new stuff.

I always hated and dreaded when a new expansion would come out in other games for this very reason. It did not matter how much time I spent getting my gear or how good it had been when the new expansion dropped all of my finely tuned gear sets would be worse then the trash gear I would pick up while questing. This sort of system sucks. It is boring. You also have to understand I greatly enjoy having new areas to explore and so on but I hate hate hate grinding gear. Yes all the hates there are intentional. Why do I hate it because it is uninspired it serves no purpose and if a game follows this formula you know they will just do it to you again and again.

So I'll be wearing the same gear forever? That's pretty boring...