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Are you happy about VR ranks removed?
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driosketch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm pretty indifferent, but I'll welcome the chance to equip my alts in those vr16 sets they're holding right away.Main: Drio Azul ~ DC, Redguard, Healer/Magicka Templar ~ NA-PC
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kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuityAll a sudden all those "of" gear become max level and extremely viable, makes for some hard decisions. The Dreugh King Slayer, of the warlock, healer, necromancer.....0 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!kylewwefan wrote: »All a sudden all those "of" gear become max level and extremely viable, makes for some hard decisions. The Dreugh King Slayer, of the warlock, healer, necromancer.....
That's not what is expected to happen. Your v1 warlock gear will become cp10 warlock gear and be just as underwhelming for a max-level character as it is today.
Scaling old sets up has never been part of what ZOS has described for VR removal.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion3 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuityNow that seems complicated. I'll just have to wait and see what they do with it.0 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
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Ritzey01✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
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Kalifas✭✭✭hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
I don't get the CP gear thing. It's basically adding an ilvl gear system to a horizontal progression game. Shouldn't the better gear be scaled better and granted for accomplishing more difficult content?
Clarify me If I am wrong. Can't CP be earned doing anything in the game that grants xp? If so this has me understand that CP is rewarded for time spent and not necessarily how skillfull a player progressed in hard content. If this is so then this is why I don't get a thing such as CP gear requirement exist.
I am not here to argue what people think is horizontal or not but to me this game is horizontal and I like horizontal. It usually keep old content relevant longer. Imo no matter how system progress in a up or down fashion. If you are not gaining class levels, advanced classes, higher level zones, certain lvl required to access higher tier or unique skills/traits/passives/actives that other classes do not have then it is a horizontal game.Edited by Kalifas on 21 April 2016 19:04An Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!2 -
Hazethemadman✭✭✭I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuityHaha, I'll be watching this change closely.
"Awesome, max level faster"
A couple weeks later.....
"Dang it ZoS we need more content!"Samael- VR16 Magicka Dragonknight
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sekou_trayvond✭✭✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelIt was simply so unnecessary.
The game had 65 levels.
I never understood the fuss.
Sigh.
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Annalyse✭✭✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelIf you dont enjoy the repeatable endgame content, yes your done. You have effectively completed the single player part of the game. All the group stuff is repeatable, the solo not so much (Mealstrom apart).
That's standard MMO stuff.
Most single player games end when you kill the big bad. So does this when you kill molag bhal. Just with your first character you get to do the other 2 factions.
The other factions quests are still completeable on alts are they not? If you don't enjoy doing them, then you should not be doing them even if they move your level bar. If your only doing them because it's a level to work towards rather than fun, then you should step away from the keyboard.
Sure, it is standard MMO stuff as well as standard any type of game stuff that you can "complete" the game (being left with dailies and PvP in MMOs). But in other games, I can create a new character and start again, experiencing whole different skills and playstyles. This is just not fun if I jump to max level. I am not the only one who likes playing with a goal to drive me - there is a reason most MMOs have levelling, and most also increase level caps when new content is added.
I wouldn't have a problem with it at all if level 50 wasn't so easy to achieve. But that's what, a few days playing? Where is the challenge and fun in that? Might as well get rid of levelling altogether and just make every new alt instantly max level.
They should just do this the same way as my last MMO did - make it a choice. In the case of that other game, there was a pill that could jump you through the levels and also a dungeon added that gave huge amounts of experience. People who wanted to skip through with their alts for PvP did one or both of those and the rest of us enjoyed playing our alts through the levels.
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Baconlad✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!I do NOT agree with gear gating!!! The whole PROBLEM people have with this game is not the gear chase, its the lag in cyrodil or lack of option for group content. I think that there are so many options to gear that you don't NEED to gate gear. Every couple of months all they need to do is offer up new gear choices and allow us to chose between out old gear and new gear, it promotes different build options, something this game has all but lost since v16 was added and they pigeon holed us into specific gear1 -
Averya_Teira✭✭✭✭✭
Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?
Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.
You're still gaining CP... How is that removing your sense of accomplishing something ? CP replaces VR, So you are indeed leveling on your alt.2 -
Lylith✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Are you happy about VR ranks removed?
nope.
v16x8.
still don't like it.
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mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Vet rank removal is absolutely crucial to the longevity of ESO.
Those who would like to reach end game with various characters can do so easily, while those who want to quest and complete all content still can. Best of both worlds.3 -
Benie✭✭✭Apparently I wasn't around to see Vet ranks... removed?! I thought they were still considering it! Been playing another game and I see..this. Wow. I feel this is awesome, but it also feels a bit weird. But...is there still a point to doing Cadwell's Silver and Gold now? Also, how does this affect DLCs like Orsinium which used scaled content?
I just feel a bit unsure about it. Never got a char to VR16. Highest was VR3. In a way, it's good to see the max level being Level 50, as it should. The Veteran rank system was a bit silly to use as 'endgame content' in my opinion.Edited by Benie on 22 April 2016 03:43--Char info updated as of March 23rd, 2016 - PC NA--
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bloodenragedb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭No - i liked having clear xp goalsi was never really bothered by vet ranks, and never saw the reason it garnered as much hate as it did, yes they should have lowered the xp cost for each rank to be a bit more reasonable, but they did that, and now i dont see the reason its even needed to be removed.
the 'max level faster' crowd is going to be dissappointed when you find out that gear now requires champoin points, and for those not already vr16 when the change happens, i feel really really sorry for you, the grind will continue, but this time the progression applies to the whole account, so if you think you are gonna get the champion point cap after you finish cadwells gold, i got bad news for you
only good news, once you do hit cap, future characters will not be bothered with that grind, so thats a plus for altaholics i guess, but the casuals, again, i fell sorry for you0 -
Waseem✭✭✭✭✭
✭i dont feel like voting in this poll except 1 month after the vet ranks removal.. there gonna be quite alot of features or surprises or failed expectations to be met
but i would like to see the... 200 different item sets? becomes useful again and be scaled to max-endgame level
so we can have proper diversity of builds... at v12 for example, you got a wide choice of.. 150 sets? at v16(max level) you got ~20... thats 130 sets absolutely useless and wasted effort.. scale everything, promote diversity, im sick of the builds of willpower,agility, julianos and hunding rage builds ALOT2 -
Oliviander✭✭✭✭No - i liked having clear xp goalsI don't think changing such fundamtal game mechanics should be the first choice to
react on problems. (I actually don't see any)
But if you do, you could have let the enlightenment featur work on XPs too when you reacch level 50.
It's good to have the nasty longtime advancement accountwide in champion points,
but I don't like the fact that ther shouldn't be any character specific advancement anymore after lv 50.
To speed up leveling I would have sold LV 50 chars in the crown shop
and leave something to do to close the gap, rather than the other way round.
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PURPLE245✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!that like asking do you want to grind or not grind lol but either way some people will still have to grind cp anyways so all its doing it making the game more alt friendly....that a bad thing?HELL NO
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LoadingBar5✭✭✭No - i liked having clear xp goalsI like the VR ranks, gave me a goal to gain more xp and I love the sense of accomplishment when I gained another VR level."By my egg!"
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hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.My internet is invalid0 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPHazethemadman wrote: »Haha, I'll be watching this change closely.
"Awesome, max level faster"
A couple weeks later.....
"Dang it ZoS we need more content!"
EXACTLY!My internet is invalid1 -
Duiwel✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP I think in the long term I will be grateful because I have too many alts already and once we get to buy char slots i will have more ( probably have at least 12-16 chars tbh... )
BUT for now I am a sad panda just because I like being "Veteran"
It showed some experience to a point...
Now there will be a ton of people who are max level with no idea how to play the game.
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Guppet✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
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RazielSR✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!This will finally transform ESO more like an online rpg than the typical nonsense mmo.1 -
a1x23✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!I personally cant wait. I love playing new characters and trying new builds. Somedays i log on and wanna play as a fire breathing dk but others i wanna be a sneaky sneaky nb. It will also help people who picked ineffective races with them class/build. Its going to open a lot of doors for people to experience the game in different ways.2 -
Nacacia✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelThis one thinks that people will be complaining about the level cap not increasing once Veteran Ranks are gone.0
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hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.My internet is invalid0 -
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✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.
Do you even read what you quote, before responding to it?
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Drakoleon✭✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelEvery time that ZOS changing something brakes the game for long too!
They should balance classes/races, bugs, server issues first and then do that kind of changes
2 years after and the game feels like it is open BETA!0