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Are you happy about VR ranks removed?
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hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.
Do you even read what you quote, before responding to it?
I give up.
My point exactly muppet. We are saying the same thing.My internet is invalid0 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.
Do you even read what you quote, before responding to it?
I give up.
My point exactly muppet. We are saying the same thing.
Yet you are intent on arguing with meMy internet is invalid0 -
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✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.
Do you even read what you quote, before responding to it?
I give up.
My point exactly muppet. We are saying the same thing.
Yet you are intent on arguing with me
Right this is not to argue win you. But may help You understand why I'm taking what was said by devs about VR removal as gospel.
Of all the DLC content that we know of and that has been brought out, all of it was known about around 18 months ago. There are no new bits added that we have not known about since then. That's how incredibly slow they develop stuff.
So when they spoke about it around Christmas, they will have already put months and months of work into it. So for them to have changed any of it from when he gave details, they would have had to put the whole thing back even further.
You'll notice we have no details at all about what comes after DB. That worries me greatly, they ate now getting towards the end of the content we have known about for years, it's like they do t have anything lined up and they develop so slowly, it's very worrying.
So when I argue about the VR removal, it's because I believe it's already set in stone how it will be done and has been for a very long time.
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✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Oliviander wrote: »I don't think changing such fundamtal game mechanics should be the first choice to
react on problems. (I actually don't see any)
But if you do, you could have let the enlightenment featur work on XPs too when you reacch level 50.
It's good to have the nasty longtime advancement accountwide in champion points,
but I don't like the fact that ther shouldn't be any character specific advancement anymore after lv 50.
To speed up leveling I would have sold LV 50 chars in the crown shop
and leave something to do to close the gap, rather than the other way round.
Letting enlightenment apply to experience does nothing for my problem of after three v16 and other thru gold i have done the main quest content for each faction 4+ times and running more character thru that content is not the least bit interesting.
Switching to acvount-wide levelling after running thru one zone per character means a lot less needless repetition.
But my problem aside, I am VERY curious.Oliviander wrote: »It's good to have the nasty longtime advancement accountwide in champion points,
but I don't like the fact that ther shouldn't be any character specific advancement anymore after lv 50
.
1 An individual character can still gain skill points after 50 by means such as quest completion and skyshards and even in one case by quest solution choice in both the current and planned systems.
2 An individual character can still gain achievements after 50 in both the current and planned systems.
3 In the current system an individual post-50 character could gain attributes and skills by "levelling" and in the new system those will be either given out in the pre-50 period OR tied to cp count achievements or some combo. So those do become account wide
4 In the current system, an individual post-50 can advance by level thru a progression of gear tiers but in the new system that should be sccount wide cp based.
So, when you say there wont be "any character specific advancement" are you actualky talking about just new attributes, fewer skill poin and gear levels?
I mean, to my way of thinking having my dunmer templar head into the silver gold content and play thru those quests lines and my imperial sorc head into hews bane and start robbing them blind would produce serious diffs in skills available (pts and trees), achievements and so forth.
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Seraseth✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPI'm happy with the change largely because vet levels was never supposed to be a thing. It was a quickly slapped together system to buy them time to get the real stuff finished. The only reason people are used to it, and feel like they're losing something, is because ZOS is so slow it hung around way past its expiration date.
Hopefully once it's finally gone (and the dust settles) they can work on expanding and further detailing the CP system.
I get the feeling they've held off making a lot of changes that they want to do, because they know so much will change when vet is removed. So they have to wait for that to be gone, and see what the terrain looks like after, before they can make decisions about the future.
I look forward to seeing the post vet-removal landscape and seeing what they do with the CP system (even with the glacial pace of updates
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!One day I'm going to log in and suddenly my previously Vet3 and Vet13 characters will now be able to equip Vet16 gear. I'd say that makes me pretty tickled.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPhydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »hydrocynus wrote: »I will say again. None of this is relevant till we know how gear progression will work....
We already have details of that. It may change, but it won't change much. You will need CP equal to the VR level of the gear times ten. So the most you will need for current gear is 160cp. This has been linked so many times that frequent forum goers should know it inside out. That includes yourself.
You have told me nothing l. How will progression work past 160? If I have 551 cp how much better is my gear than someone with 160? That is the crux because the answer to that will determine whether you will see zone chat posts like "LFG gold DD CP501" or not. Does anyone know the answer to that? If so tell me and I will consider myself educated.
The gear will be the same regardless of your CP. if you can equip it the stats will be the same, or why would it be tied to CP level in the first place. That should not need explaining. Your current VR16 gear will be exactly like it is with 160CP or 501, how is that something you need explaining.
When they release new gear it will be for CP 180 or what ever and will be the same stats for a CP180 or a CP501.
Why would your gear increase in power based on your CP, that would result in you never replacing your gear. Did your gear increase in power when you went from VR4 to VR10, no, you had to get new gear.
Gear chasing is what keeps MMO's running. Why do you think they come out with new sets? It's to give you a target.
Logic, it's wonderful.
We are saying the same thing dude. My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
You will still need to craft 180cp gear for all your toons like you would have with increase to v18.
It's the same. Stop arguing.
Why are you saying CR18 and CP180 gear........i havent seen anything about raising from VR16 and CP cap of 501.
Also they are saying that VR16 will = CP160..........so does that mean that the best gear will be CP160 gear? or will there be CP501 gear? and what will that equal out to?
Yeah that's what we are speculating about.it is only speculation because till ZoS tells us how gear upgrades will work we don't axially know for sure.
General Consensus seems to think (and I agree) that there will be higher tiers of gear than cp 160 and they would most likely go up in levels of 10 cp so that's why I said CP180 gear would be the same as V18 gear ie nothing changed. How far they go eg will they go to 501 (or ZoS please 551 we deserve an increase by the next dlc please), we just don't know but if they do what gap in ability will cp 160 and CP 551 gear be? That is a significant answer to wait for.
General consensus is not that they will start with higher than 160cp though.
The devs specifically said 160 will be the highest level gear when they remove VR levels. They said it will increase over time but not by large jumps of CP.
If you look at actual facts, VR 16 gear will have been about for a year by the time the change will be made. If they ever have CP 501 gear, it will be many many years away, given the current power increase trends.
Or do you think they are putting this much effort in, to make the game more friendly to new and casual players, to then go and make the gear progress far more of a grind than it currently is?
There is a reason they have kept the CP cap the same for so long, it's because it's only a small percentage of players at it, they will never ever make the cap of CP in anyway be close to the CP needed for the gear you can get.
That would be commercial suicide.
So your guess is that CP 160 will be top gear forever?
Mine is not. We will have higher gear in the future. You are right on day 1 the highest will most likely be 160cp.
No one is arguing with you. We are talking about what happens in future.
Do you even read what you quote, before responding to it?
I give up.
My point exactly muppet. We are saying the same thing.
Yet you are intent on arguing with me
Right this is not to argue win you. But may help You understand why I'm taking what was said by devs about VR removal as gospel.
Of all the DLC content that we know of and that has been brought out, all of it was known about around 18 months ago. There are no new bits added that we have not known about since then. That's how incredibly slow they develop stuff.
So when they spoke about it around Christmas, they will have already put months and months of work into it. So for them to have changed any of it from when he gave details, they would have had to put the whole thing back even further.
You'll notice we have no details at all about what comes after DB. That worries me greatly, they ate now getting towards the end of the content we have known about for years, it's like they do t have anything lined up and they develop so slowly, it's very worrying.
So when I argue about the VR removal, it's because I believe it's already set in stone how it will be done and has been for a very long time.
Cynical? Yeah, I have been here since beta so know thier track record, lol.
As have I which is why I take most of what they say with a bag of salt.My internet is invalid0 -
hydrocynus✭✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPAnd I am also worried about what next so will be interesting to hear anything.
Let's wait for PTS patch notes and then we open the discussion again once we know.My internet is invalid0 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Vet ranks were a stupid, stupid idea in the first place:implemented by a team who wanted to recreate WOW. Instead of following Elder Scrolls, they bastardized it and removed the sandbox part of one of the world's greatest franchises.
Elder Scrolls is about freedom of character and exploration. Not this archaic attitude of forced leveling.
Vet ranks are the only reasons I quit playing months ago. I'm back today because I keep hoping it will change from Elder Warcraft into Elder Scrolls. We ARE getting closer, at least.
Getting to 50 is easy. Grinding through useless crap because they wrote the code and want to force you through it to be competitive is crap.
You remove very ranks and, in six months I will have maxed characters on each faction pvp'if to my heart's content!Edited by Kungfu on 22 April 2016 17:221 -
Serpace✭✭✭I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuityI like the idea of no VR ranks but i think it should have been implemented with the release of the game. The CP ranks shouldn't necessarily make it easier to level but they should allow people to play different characters but also be able to contibute to account wide progression. So in a way i think CP should take longer to level to lets say (the current armor cap) than it takes for me to get to v16 on one toon. This will force people to play more than one toons but still have a good solid progression system that rewards doing quests in VR zones.
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Kungfu✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »I'll wait and see what they implement, but I'm not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away.
In every MMO/RPG I've ever played, levels give a sense of upward mobility. It's something to strive for, to attain. New levels of power that your character didn't have before.
As things seem right now, Zenimax is trading that forward mobility with horizontal character movement. In the MMO's/RPG's that I've played where leveling was removed for end-game, and a horizontal system was put into place, I got bored with it very quickly. So did many other people from what I saw, players left the game at an increasing rate due to the lack of something, anything to really strive for.
Like I said at the beginning of this post, I'll wait and see what they implement. But they're taking a leveling system that works well (minus the percentage of a fraction of impatient players who complained incessantly that they have to actually do something in the game to level out an alternate character to end-game [something that, again, no other MMO allows you to do]...), and instituting something that is going to be flawed right out of the gate IMO.
So no, I am not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away just to appease some impatient PvP players.No Im not. How on earth is this max level faster? Now all veterans are demoted to level 50. And from whats been said all that one can do after that is get champion points. I really hope this is just temporary and that some real leveling system that goes beyond level 50 will come. And for leveling between 1-50. Thats not to hard. I gained 1 level on my alt just by grinding for 30 minutes. Thats way faster then questing. Heck some quests can take 30min, and then you dont even get anything close to an entire level worth of XP.
As i understand it, the LEVEL BASED attributes and skills gained from vr1-16 will be incorporated into lvl 1-50. Also, gear will be scaled off CP so the already VR16 can use their normal gear. The difference is since alts have the same CP as your vets, once you reach 50 with an alt, he is basically equivalent to your vr16 without needing to do the silver and gold again. Except of course if he wants the skyshards and the quest based skill points your true VR16s already have.
So, other than losing the letters "VR16" no one is being demoted and several would be "promoted" in a very real way.
I am all for it.
I already have 3 VR16, a VR13, a VR10 and three in the VR5 territory so i have done the silver and gold every which way but loose and dont want to do it again for the lower chars to get geared up.
Just what Uriel_Nocturne said. Couldnt have said it better myself. But thats what I meant, or tried to say. Now there wont be much to strive for except more Champion Points.
If that's the case, why do you play any v16 character today?
Why are you playing at all?
If the game ended for you at v16, more levels just prolong your inevitable exodus anyway.
Progression in this game no longer has anything to do with levels (vr or cp). People play at vr16 for gear, challenges, completion, leader boards, and pvp (any other reasons I missed? ). If those aren't entrainment enough, I submit that you've already tired of this game and just have yet to realize / admit it.1 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭No - i liked having clear xp goalsI think they are making a mistake, they should have kept going with VR lvls making them higher.
Having only CPs doesn't change anything, your still gaining "exp" at the same rate and those who have say 50 cps are still not going to be as good as those with 500 cps, it changes nothing.
Only thing it changes is that there will not be a VR title/number , thats it.
Players at lvl 50 now are still going to have lvl 50 stats not VR16 stats lol, I don't know why some here are all excited, there is going to be a lot of unhappy people once changes take place lol, or at least with a lot of players with squashed expectations.3 -
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✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Players at lvl 50 now are still going to have lvl 50 stats not VR16 stats lol, I don't know why some here are all excited, there is going to be a lot of unhappy people once changes take place lol, or at least with a lot of players with squashed expectations.
Players at level 50 now will not have the same stats at all. First off, they will have 15 more skill points and attribute points right out of the gate since the VR points are being moved down into the 1-50 levels. Secondly, if those players have enough CP they will be able to immediately equip more powerful gear as soon as VR is removed.
So as an example, since I already have a few v16s, my V1s will immediately be able to make use of all the v16 monster helms and Briarheart pieces and whatnot the day that VR is removed. That's going to make a pretty noticeable difference.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
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✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Vet ranks were a stupid, stupid idea in the first place:implemented by a team who wanted to recreate WOW. Instead of following Elder Scrolls, they bastardized it and removed the sandbox part of one of the world's greatest franchises.
Elder Scrolls is about freedom of character and exploration. Not this archaic attitude of forced leveling.
Vet ranks are the only reasons I quit playing months ago. I'm back today because I keep hoping it will change from Elder Warcraft into Elder Scrolls. We ARE getting closer, at least.
Getting to 50 is easy. Grinding through useless crap because they wrote the code and want to force you through it to be competitive is crap.
You remove very ranks and, in six months I will have maxed characters on each faction pvp'if to my heart's content!
It was actually completely the opposite of recreating wow. It was for people who wanted to see all content on one character and not have to roll a character per faction. That's the opposite of wow.
It was the dumbest decision they ever had and has taken them 2 years to try and correct. They are still not there yet.
It should always have been a case of if you want to see a factions content, role that damn faction then.
It's comical how many people try to blame wow for other devs mistakes. Wow gets most things right, it's just incredibly dated now, too dated for many.1 -
Kungfu✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Vet ranks were a stupid, stupid idea in the first place:implemented by a team who wanted to recreate WOW. Instead of following Elder Scrolls, they bastardized it and removed the sandbox part of one of the world's greatest franchises.
Elder Scrolls is about freedom of character and exploration. Not this archaic attitude of forced leveling.
Vet ranks are the only reasons I quit playing months ago. I'm back today because I keep hoping it will change from Elder Warcraft into Elder Scrolls. We ARE getting closer, at least.
Getting to 50 is easy. Grinding through useless crap because they wrote the code and want to force you through it to be competitive is crap.
You remove very ranks and, in six months I will have maxed characters on each faction pvp'if to my heart's content!
It was actually completely the opposite of recreating wow. It was for people who wanted to see all content on one character and not have to roll a character per faction. That's the opposite of wow.
It was the dumbest decision they ever had and has taken them 2 years to try and correct. They are still not there yet.
It should always have been a case of if you want to see a factions content, role that damn faction then.
It's comical how many people try to blame wow for other devs mistakes. Wow gets most things right, it's just incredibly dated now, too dated for many.
On the contrary, addition of VRs came from direct input of a very specific beta testing guild who quoted WOW's end game progression ad nauseum.
And as a point of fact, I never said WOW got anything wrong. Blizzard did very well for many years. Unfortunately, it IS WOW's end game that influenced this change and quite a few others. Take a look at Skyrim and Oblivion then compare to ESO. Where did it all go wrong? Beyond the ironclad class system, vr ranks was the second step.
But you're still missing my whole point: Elder Scrolls has always been about content more than ironclad classes and hamster-wheel level grinding. Removing VRS is a step back toward the correct direction and I believe that those who disagree are actually already sick of this game at vr16. Thus they will be sick of it at 50 or vr256 or cp9999.
Besides, ESO needs more membership. Easier track to pvp and end game content WILL mean longevity. Just look at Guild Wars 2Edited by Kungfu on 22 April 2016 18:485 -
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✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!Vet ranks were a stupid, stupid idea in the first place:implemented by a team who wanted to recreate WOW. Instead of following Elder Scrolls, they bastardized it and removed the sandbox part of one of the world's greatest franchises.
Elder Scrolls is about freedom of character and exploration. Not this archaic attitude of forced leveling.
Vet ranks are the only reasons I quit playing months ago. I'm back today because I keep hoping it will change from Elder Warcraft into Elder Scrolls. We ARE getting closer, at least.
Getting to 50 is easy. Grinding through useless crap because they wrote the code and want to force you through it to be competitive is crap.
You remove very ranks and, in six months I will have maxed characters on each faction pvp'if to my heart's content!
It was actually completely the opposite of recreating wow. It was for people who wanted to see all content on one character and not have to roll a character per faction. That's the opposite of wow.
It was the dumbest decision they ever had and has taken them 2 years to try and correct. They are still not there yet.
It should always have been a case of if you want to see a factions content, role that damn faction then.
It's comical how many people try to blame wow for other devs mistakes. Wow gets most things right, it's just incredibly dated now, too dated for many.
On the contrary, addition of VRs came from direct input of a very specific beta testing guild who quoted WOW's end game progression ad nauseum.
And as a point of fact, I never said WOW got anything wrong. Blizzard did very well for many years. Unfortunately, it IS WOW's end game that influenced this change and quite a few others. Take a look at Skyrim and Oblivion then compare to ESO. Where did it all go wrong? Beyond the ironclad class system, vr ranks was the second step.
But you're still missing my whole point: Elder Scrolls has always been about content more than ironclad classes and hamster-wheel level grinding. Removing VRS is a step back toward the correct direction and I believe that those who disagree are actually already sick of this game at vr16. Thus they will be sick of it at 50 or vr256 or cp9999.
Besides, ESO needs more membership. Easier track to pvp and end game content WILL mean longevity. Just look at Guild Wars 2
Maybe we are at different purposes but WoW is in no way responsible for VR levels. They were put in so you could do all 3 factions content on one character, due to beta feedback.
You can't do that in WoW, so it can't possibly be due to feedback based on WoW.
The devs thought it would give optional end game content for those that only wanted to play one character, it ended up giving compulsory content for everyone.
They should have listened to the altoholics from the start.
It was altoholics verses one character only players, not influence from other games. I can't think of a single other game that lets you play other factions quests on just one character, there may be some, but none that I know of.0 -
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✭✭I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.
Why would they have to compensate anyone? Changes come with all games,and people just have to roll with it.
I have one of my vets up to V5 1/2,but I dont really care if they remove Vet ranks.I'll just adapt and play on.
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Nacacia✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelI just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.
Why would they have to compensate anyone? Changes come with all games,and people just have to roll with it.
I have one of my vets up to V5 1/2,but I dont really care if they remove Vet ranks.I'll just adapt and play on.
Assuming that each alliance is worth about 45 levels of content, and you complete both veteran alliances around VR10-12, that means that VR 10 is worth around 90 levels of content. So a VR16 character is around 135 levels of play. So when you take away VR16 and drop a character to 50th, you're effectively taking 135-150 levels away from the character...
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Seraseth✭✭✭✭Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CPI just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.
Why would they have to compensate anyone? Changes come with all games,and people just have to roll with it.
I have one of my vets up to V5 1/2,but I dont really care if they remove Vet ranks.I'll just adapt and play on.
Far as I know they'll boost a vet 16 to 160cp(if they don't have it already), then also as a bonus, give an extra 40cp for a vet16. It only gives the bonus for a single vet16 character, and I don't know if there is any lesser scaling bonus for lower vet levels, or it's only a vet16 perk.0 -
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✭✭No - i liked having clear xp goals
An extra 40CP when my main VR16 character is forced down to Lv50 is kind of nice if I'm honest, since I'm getting CPs super slow right now. However, it would be nice to get a few more, at least make it 50cp,100 would be very kind indeed!I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.
Why would they have to compensate anyone? Changes come with all games,and people just have to roll with it.
I have one of my vets up to V5 1/2,but I dont really care if they remove Vet ranks.I'll just adapt and play on.
Far as I know they'll boost a vet 16 to 160cp(if they don't have it already), then also as a bonus, give an extra 40cp for a vet16. It only gives the bonus for a single vet16 character, and I don't know if there is any lesser scaling bonus for lower vet levels, or it's only a vet16 perk. Priests of Hircine
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Dagonthir✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!I absolutely love that they're removing Veteran Ranks because of the fact that I play 3 characters. Now it will actually be practical to have my alts. And I'm now actually motivated to start a fourth characters so I can have 1 of each class. I think this is a very positive change.0 -
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✭✭✭Veteran Ranks were crap, but Champion Points are not much better.
No objections to the removal, but would be more excited if the level cap had stayed V10 and ZOS had spent this time providing a larger variety of content and gear options, rather than constant grind tweaking with new "best" gear sets to motivate everyone to level again.
Will be glad to see the leveling process become more of a sandbox post-50, but swapping Veteran grind for Champion grind seems like the least creative solution possible."If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.
Why would they have to compensate anyone? Changes come with all games,and people just have to roll with it.
I have one of my vets up to V5 1/2,but I dont really care if they remove Vet ranks.I'll just adapt and play on.
Assuming that each alliance is worth about 45 levels of content, and you complete both veteran alliances around VR10-12, that means that VR 10 is worth around 90 levels of content. So a VR16 character is around 135 levels of play. So when you take away VR16 and drop a character to 50th, you're effectively taking 135-150 levels away from the character...
So basically, ya, they should give us something.
Got three v16s, v13, v10, three more v4-5 and tossed two v2s.
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Serenityx✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelI wouldn't say I "hate" the change, but I think it's going to have more negative side effects than people are willing to notice. Anytime and anywhere I've seen this discussion the amount of players in favor of the entire leveling system passed level 50 being account bound rather than having to do it per character, which if I'm correct is what's going to happen, people don't care that there will be some very negative implications with that.0
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MidnightBlue✭✭✭Coming from someone that have multiple v16s, I like the idea. I honestly don't care about the "losing my hard work" of grinding to v16. We're not going to lose our gear or other stuff. As long as it doesn't take longer to grind to level 50 to balance out the grind to v16 (because that would defeat the purpose of taking out vet ranks), I'm good. I hate power leveling and if I can power level to 50 in the future and be max that'll make me happy.1
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Chelister✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelThx for the reply
But will we be still geting the experience as we do now
If VET ranks are removed, what will be the cap lvl?
What I am trying to get on is that are they simply planning to remove the VET rank ?
Are we going to have an experience line below which fills up as we do quests or explroe zones, etc...?
I do not really undertsnad how VET rank can be replaced with CP system (which is simply an accumulation of various buffs to ur character)
too many questions, i know)Shadesofkin wrote: »The title says it all I suggest we discuss the concept of level progression stopping at 50, and continuing with CP acquisition vs Veteran ranks. Let's leave all the bugs/lags/technical difficulties 'what ifs' out of discussion! Pretty please
Wait; are they simply removing the whole progression of VET 1 to VET 16?
If yes, then the max lvl to reach would be lvl 50??
But that sounds so primitive, isn’t the PVE content also about developing ur character throughout the VET lvls
So are they are making the game much shorter?
No.
The Veteran system was always just a place holder, it was literally forced into the game in an effort to appease everyone when they realized they were locked out of parts of the game based on faction (a huge mistake from the get-go) and was always meant to be replaced eventually.
Now, they have waited a very long time, but it has always been known that VR was meant to be gone at some point, that it like the Dodo bird, had outlived it's time. The incentive to do quests, to learn and play and enjoy the game will be in crafting, skills, and gear alongside the Champion Constellations which will increase the base stats and improve various parts of your characters performance based solely on their accumulation and allocation.
Vet levels were awful, they shouldn't have existed in the first place and thank the divines they're going.
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Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to levelNewBlacksmurf wrote: »All the VR removal does is cater to casuals who complained about not being on equal footing with those of us who actually put in time to be maxed level. If this was extended ZOS should have had it in the game from day 1.
I don't care anymore since I've already gone through the painful process of leveling multiple characters to vr16 and their going along with it anyways, but I have to give a big "*** YOU" to ZOS for implementing this BS!
Plan your game better!
Sorry but the comment that always bothers me is when anyone suggests that removing VR is ZOS catering to "casuals"
While that may be your opinion, that is not why VR is being removed...the removal of VR was announced ....in July 2014
The changes to VR content difficulty may be more appropriate to suggest that those changes were addressing different groups of players but this "casuals" vs others stuff is just sickening as its based on this idea that one group of players is better than another where one group should be listened to and catered to over another.
Thats a problem if you feel or think those ways.
@NewBlacksmurf no its called a label! You and @Joy_Division seem to think that when a name is given to a certain group to IDENTIFY who I'm speaking of, then it's used in a derogatory fashion.
"CASUALS" as I've labeled them is referring to player's who moaned to ZOS about wanting to be "End game" level, but not wanting to apply themselves to achieve it. Obviously if you have already leveled 1 character to vr16 this does not apply to you.
I know how monotonous leveling a new character can be. Look at my signature!NA/PC0 -
VoiDGhOs7✭✭✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!VR removal sounds nice unless I'm forced to re-craft all my gear at every CP cap increase in which case that will a very annoying change.0 -
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✭✭Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!hydrocynus wrote: »My point is that when I have 180cp gear and you have 160 Cp gear then what is the difference between that and me having v18 gear and you having v16 gear? Nothing.
It is exactly the same which is what I keep telling you all. You are all so excited for something that is the same which will cause the same elitist grouping issues that veteran ranks did. You will also have people with CP180 gear owning people with CP160 gear in pvp. For no-cp campaign how are they going to relate that? Good luck to them! Maybe they can all for naked or something.
So nothings changed except all your toons are now the same level. That's it.
Yep, for me at least, this is exactly the reason I'm excited about this change. I have various veteran rank alts that I gave up on grinding at some point. These will all be instantly max level, and if I make a brand new character to try other race/class combinations, I just need to level it to 50 and then I can equip those V16 monster helms and sets sitting in my bank, etc.
Gear progression is a central part of the game, of course. I imagine it will continue probably at around the same pace as before, so as long as you keep up with champion points on at least one character, all your characters will progress to the new gear level.
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This is pretty much my answer but wasn't sure which voted to pick so I picked yours.Personally think ZOS might mess something up and we all lose our champion points or something bad like that.I am eager for it, but I am bit skeptical of its implementation. I want to it to go smoothly, I really do but....
I am fully expecting bugs, exploits and glitches. But there is nothing left to do but wait and see.1
