As my experience in MMOS tells me... an high lvl cap does not make a better game.

Before settling for ESO, the games i had the most fun with were, in fact, GW and GW2. In both game the lvl cap was very fast to reach but story, quests, content, pvp etc still made them extremly enjoyable for a LOT of time.

If anything, the only thing i still wonder about is the fact that we still don't have a 1vs1 / team arena for PvP... that i see as something that would give a lot more "gaming time" to ESO for a lot of people, it could be great end game content and well.. beeing a smaller scale pvp gameplay it would probably not have the drawbacks of the open world pvp in terms of lag fps etc.

Getting rid of vet ranks.......and changing it to level 66 :P

Baranthus wrote: »

Getting rid of vet ranks.......and changing it to level 66 :P

Nope, cap will be lvl 50.

I think most players that enjoy the game and the progression and the rest of it like taking their time leveling up their first character and doing all the quests and seeing everything there is to see. But THEN you make a second character, and the prospect of doing that all again just doesn't appeal to most people.

So yeah, I've got one v16 and he's done all the zones and quests, cadwell's silver and gold, and even the cyrodiil pve quests, but now I'm focused on endgame stuff (PVP in my case). So between grinding new characters from 1-50 or grinding from 1-v16, I think the choice is clear. My CP level is 502 so all my vets will become max level, I'm excited

Ritzey01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

I mean there is no point, there is no exp to be gained, no progression to accomplish. All there is is running around picking up skyshards and doing only the quest to get SP's......... There is no point to any side quest past lvl 50 at all.

The progression is account wide now. Your level is your Champion Rank. Even if you are already at Rank 500, it will take decades to max out at Rank 3600.

By that time, in the event we are all still playing ESO in our assisted living retirement homes I imagine they may extend the ranks even further.

In my case, I feel like I get to finally "start" playing the game when I reach V16 and can equip endgame gear, figure out a V16 build and hop into Cyrodiil. Up until that point I'm not fully enjoying the game yet, just leveling up so I can begin.

I have been looking forward to experimenting with all kinds of different class/race/build combinations in endgame pvp, and I don't mind 1-50, but it has been so slow going from V1 to V16, especially the last few levels, that I just gave up on all those alts. Plus I have tons of V16 gear sets just sitting in my bank.
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Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

Not that they "aren't possible", but "what's the point?".

With no levels to strive for. With no upward mobility for your characters, what is there about the other two Alliances that would hold anything for you to achieve?

This change from achieving upwardly mobile character levels (the VR ranks) to a horizontally motivated plateau (the CP's alone) will only bring stagnation and a sense of "what's the point" to the 3/4 of the game that isn't PvP.

having done each questline more than six times each, I hit stagnation even with vr ranks. making you retread the same ground to get levels just isn't motivation IMO. its tedious.

IMO the answer to what the other alliance hold is IF you havent already played through them FUN and new stuff, plus skill points, skyshards etc. But mostly FUN, at least for the first couple of run throughs. Now, after you reach the "been there done that" stage you can just not do them and not be significantly held back.

So, if you want to do them again, you can.
If you dont want to do them again, you aren't seriously hurt.

Seems a win-win for everyone except the "I need zos to force me to do this" crowd.

YMMV

I don't like vet ranks but I do hope they intend to increase level caps over time.

Cogo wrote: »

Add a proper voting system, other then a la "Cuba elections".
Vote on whatever you like, as long as its "this guy".

Veteran ranks removal isn't that much to be bothered about. Plenty of ways to progress and we havnt seen the new progress yet. What system will REPLACE Veteran ranks...is a concern.

Will ZoS be strong enough to make it worth character progress? ZoS gave in on nerfing levels several times, and the nerf to Vet rank zones was outright painful to watch a mass of players with new grinded Vet 14 and had no clue what "Block" was.

My fear is that ESO ends up without a player progress system (endless), which means "ESO-Diablo", where the game starts at "max lvl". And gets boring in a week.

@Fallen_Ray sums it up nicely!

I'd add players personal skill, as a current endless progress system.

ZOS already stated that the replacement of the vet system IS the champion point system

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Its the same as with the real world these days, no one wants to work to get anything, they just want it handed to them with as little effort on their parts as possible.

Amen brother.

People dont even get that the main reason they like ESO so much over all other MMOs, is just....its worth to play.

Ritzey01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

I mean there is no point, there is no exp to be gained, no progression to accomplish. All there is is running around picking up skyshards and doing only the quest to get SP's......... There is no point to any side quest past lvl 50 at all.

The progression is account wide now. Your level is your Champion Rank. Even if you are already at Rank 500, it will take a number of years to max out at Rank 3600. By that time in the event we are all still playing ESO in our assisted living retirement homes I imagine they will likely extend the ranks even further.
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CP cap is 501, which i am at. I know they will increase this at times. That doesnt change the fact that all side quest or anything that does not give SP's is a waste of time now. Just normal play time doing the dailies with only my main, or running dungeons with RL freinds will get me more than enough "built up" CP's to be capped anytime they raise the CP cap. Doesnt change the fact that me leveling an alt is pointless since the CP's are account wide and once i hit 50 its game over. no more advancing this toon.

I hope i am explaining this right, not great with words so sorry if its not coming across right.

Don't worry, you hit the nail on the head.

It's the very definition of Horizontal Advancement for a character, and it has stagnated and nigh killed every MMO in the past where it's been implemented.

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

Add a proper voting system, other then a la "Cuba elections".
Vote on whatever you like, as long as its "this guy".

Veteran ranks removal isn't that much to be bothered about. Plenty of ways to progress and we havnt seen the new progress yet. What system will REPLACE Veteran ranks...is a concern.

Will ZoS be strong enough to make it worth character progress? ZoS gave in on nerfing levels several times, and the nerf to Vet rank zones was outright painful to watch a mass of players with new grinded Vet 14 and had no clue what "Block" was.

My fear is that ESO ends up without a player progress system (endless), which means "ESO-Diablo", where the game starts at "max lvl". And gets boring in a week.

@Fallen_Ray sums it up nicely!

I'd add players personal skill, as a current endless progress system.

ZOS already stated that the replacement of the vet system IS the champion point system

@W0lf_z13
Source? (link)

Ritzey01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

I mean there is no point, there is no exp to be gained, no progression to accomplish. All there is is running around picking up skyshards and doing only the quest to get SP's......... There is no point to any side quest past lvl 50 at all.

The progression is account wide now. Your level is your Champion Rank. Even if you are already at Rank 500, it will take a number of years to max out at Rank 3600. By that time in the event we are all still playing ESO in our assisted living retirement homes I imagine they will likely extend the ranks even further.
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CP cap is 501, which i am at. I know they will increase this at times. That doesnt change the fact that all side quest or anything that does not give SP's is a waste of time now. Just normal play time doing the dailies with only my main, or running dungeons with RL freinds will get me more than enough "built up" CP's to be capped anytime they raise the CP cap. Doesnt change the fact that me leveling an alt is pointless since the CP's are account wide and once i hit 50 its game over. no more advancing this toon.

I hope i am explaining this right, not great with words so sorry if its not coming across right.

"waste of time" except for being fun, you mean, finding new quests, playing thru new content? For some people, that is considered a merit in and of itself even without the loot and cp and whatever achievements may be linked with them.

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

This thread brought out the dumbest people. Nothing changes except the little number by your name. Oh, and if you want to level an alt it will be playable faster because you already did the 'work' by getting the champion points. There is nothing but upside.

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Its the same as with the real world these days, no one wants to work to get anything, they just want it handed to them with as little effort on their parts as possible.

Work? This game is not my job. I do not pay to play this game to put a roof over my head and food on my table. This is a game that I am paying to play, to have fun. I've already experienced getting to VR 16 and doing it on multiple characters = not fun.

Simple, replace work with effort, time, any number of words that will amount to the same thing. Give me a game that i am not earning anything and i will show you a boring game.

We will still be earning champion points across all veteran ranked characters while we play. Isn't that enough for people who feel the need to work for something in a game??

Not if you are capped already.