Are you happy about VR ranks removed?

wayfarerx

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

dodgehopper_ESO

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Lightninvash wrote: »

this is going to become what destiny did they made it lvl 40 then your light level is what counted for how hard of difficulty you can compete with. ESO wil be lvl 50 and CP will take over there wil probably be like 100cp zones 200 cp zones etc so that you can find the zone relating to your cp and that will be your difficulty instead of v9 zones and v 10 and so on

I hope they just scale things like Wrothgar instead - that will help with grouping... a lot. In fact I wish every zone scaled, including Stros/Betnikh/Khenarthi/that one nord island.

Uriel_Nocturne

No - i liked having clear xp goals

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

All of those are already accomplished by the time you finish your "home" Alliance. After that, what's the point?

That's what removing the VR's is doing. It creates a plateau of horizontal progression where your character isn't really "growing" anymore.

The VR's were the driving force behind, and coupled with, exploring the other two Alliances.

Now? What's the point?

Uriel_Nocturne

No - i liked having clear xp goals

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

this is going to become what destiny did they made it lvl 40 then your light level is what counted for how hard of difficulty you can compete with. ESO wil be lvl 50 and CP will take over there wil probably be like 100cp zones 200 cp zones etc so that you can find the zone relating to your cp and that will be your difficulty instead of v9 zones and v 10 and so on

I hope they just scale things like Wrothgar instead - that will help with grouping... a lot. In fact I wish every zone scaled, including Stros/Betnikh/Khenarthi/that one nord island.

Bleakrock Isle.

Ritzey01

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

Unless i am mistaken, all of my VR1+ alts have fighters guild maxed out, Mages only takes about 1/2 through silver but there is nothing to do for that other than run around picking up books. already at CP cap that carries over to all toons. so whats left?

phairdon

No - i liked having clear xp goals

Want to see the veteran ranks stay, higher ranks added (probably well & truly in the minority), Such is life.

W0lf_z13

No - i liked having clear xp goals

@Cogo if i remember correctly "season" was used when referring to cap increases on the cp's where they would increase them by season or something on those lines, i could be mistaken but i think thats what i remember them saying

dodgehopper_ESO

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

All of those are already accomplished by the time you finish your "home" Alliance. After that, what's the point?

That's what removing the VR's is doing. It creates a plateau of horizontal progression where your character isn't really "growing" anymore.

The VR's were the driving force behind, and coupled with, exploring the other two Alliances.

Now? What's the point?

I disagree, it was always about skill points once you've VR maxed a few characters. At a certain point you've seen the story enough times... you just want the goodies. Skill Points are the goodies.

Slurg

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Its the same as with the real world these days, no one wants to work to get anything, they just want it handed to them with as little effort on their parts as possible.

Work? This game is not my job. I do not pay to play this game to put a roof over my head and food on my table. This is a game that I am paying to play, to have fun. I've already experienced getting to VR 16 and doing it on multiple characters = not fun.

Simple, replace work with effort, time, any number of words that will amount to the same thing. Give me a game that i am not earning anything and i will show you a boring game.

We will still be earning champion points across all veteran ranked characters while we play. Isn't that enough for people who feel the need to work for something in a game??

Not if you are capped already.

Then congratulations on reaching 3600 champion points. You won the game!

Ritzey01

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

W0lf_z13 wrote: »

@Cogo if i remember correctly "season" was used when referring to cap increases on the cp's where they would increase them by season or something on those lines, i could be mistaken but i think thats what i remember them saying

That does sound right. I havent watched the video in a while though so its not fresh in my head.

wayfarerx

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

All of those are already accomplished by the time you finish your "home" Alliance. After that, what's the point?

That's what removing the VR's is doing. It creates a plateau of horizontal progression where your character isn't really "growing" anymore.

The VR's were the driving force behind, and coupled with, exploring the other two Alliances.

Now? What's the point?

Not my experience, and I just leveled my last 3 mules to v1 in anticipation of DB. Unless you seriously outlevel the zones then when you start silver you don't have all your skills morphed. You don't have dawnbreaker or meteor. You don't have every weapon leveled up, just a few. You still need to finish leveling a couple armor lines.

I imagine by the end of silver you'd have most of this wrapped up, but certainly not on a fresh v1.

Ritzey01 wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Now, if you have already done these side quests with other alts or your main, well, then there isn't the "new" but that is exactly what vet removal is to address, right?

Yes, that is the point. BUT i like doing the quest over, i dont mind it on an alt. I just want to have a sence of accomplishing something, of progressing my toon, even if its just an alt. THAT is what is being taken out of the game.

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

Unless i am mistaken, all of my VR1+ alts have fighters guild maxed out, Mages only takes about 1/2 through silver but there is nothing to do for that other than run around picking up books. already at CP cap that carries over to all toons. so whats left?

I dunno, fun? If you really don't enjoy playing the game without one specific form of leveling enabled then maybe you don't actually like the game all that much. I look forward to working my remaining alts through the Rivenspire storyline because I enjoy it, but I'm really glad I don't have to slog through Shadowfen again if I don't want to. Do what you find enjoyable and skip that parts you don't, that's the promise of VR removal.

Strider_Roshin

I am, but I despise the idea of upgrading my gear every 3 months.

dodgehopper_ESO

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Lightninvash wrote: »

this is going to become what destiny did they made it lvl 40 then your light level is what counted for how hard of difficulty you can compete with. ESO wil be lvl 50 and CP will take over there wil probably be like 100cp zones 200 cp zones etc so that you can find the zone relating to your cp and that will be your difficulty instead of v9 zones and v 10 and so on

I hope they just scale things like Wrothgar instead - that will help with grouping... a lot. In fact I wish every zone scaled, including Stros/Betnikh/Khenarthi/that one nord island.

Bleakrock Isle.

That's the one.

IcyDeadPeople

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

Keep in mind the big XP counter will still tick, and for those who enjoy a long grind, it will still be there. (Gonna be years before anyone gets close to 3600 CP.)

Thybrinena

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Hell Yeah! I have 7 characters between Vr1-5.
Been waiting for this day since I was born!

well...ok....maybe not...but........yeah

WhimsyDragon

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

Somewhere between the first two choices.

Ritzey01

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

The fun for me, and a lot of other, is level alts and progressing when i am not on my main with RL friends. I really am having a hard time see what you dont understand about that. Its the sence of accomplishment that is enjoyable and thatis being removed. I loved this game as is, as far as the VR's go, and enjoyed playing. I will give this a go, but i will not be subbing till i see whats what.

Imagine if you will there is a PvPer that loved this game for the PvP does it allot. Then they come along and remove PvP. Thats the same thing for those of us that feel the way i do about the VR's being taken away.

Ritzey01

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

So the quest achievements, leveling up skills, earning CP, leveling fighters guild and mages guild, etc... none of that means anything. Without a big XP counter that ticks up every time you kill a mob then none of it is worth it?

Keep in mind the big XP counter will still tick, and for those who enjoy a long grind, it will still be there. (Gonna be years before anyone gets close to 3600 CP.)

The cap is 501, not 3600. 3600 will not be the cap for YEARS to come. I know they will increase the cap , quarterly? yearly?not sure, but we wont see 3600 for a long long time.

Each time the cap is increased, most likely i will already be at the next cap.....so no big whoop.

wayfarerx

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

The fun for me, and a lot of other, is level alts and progressing when i am not on my main with RL friends. I really am having a hard time see what you dont understand about that. Its the sence of accomplishment that is enjoyable and thatis being removed. I loved this game as is, as far as the VR's go, and enjoyed playing. I will give this a go, but i will not be subbing till i see whats what.

Imagine if you will there is a PvPer that loved this game for the PvP does it allot. Then they come along and remove PvP. Thats the same thing for those of us that feel the way i do about the VR's being taken away.

I'm just genuinely surprised that one little label means so much to you when there are so many other things to progress on your character. To each his own, and I don't begrudge you your love of vet ranks, I'm just confused about the commitment I see to this one little aspect of our characters.

helediron

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

The voting choices give a somewhat false impression that veteran removal removes need to level up. New players still have to do significant leveling to reach enough CP. I am sure new players will still run through Cadwell silver and gold plus new areas. Reaching CP cap requires roughly leveling three VR16. Old players are already at max level, and for them making alts gets easier. CPs and VRs have been in parallel for awhile and they overlap. The VR removal just takes away that unnecessary redundancy.

Ch4mpTW

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

While I made the choice I made, I am definitely pleased that ZO$ has is finally removing the veteran ranks. I mean, I'm still going to scout every area. Yes, of course. However, it is comforting to know that I'll be able to achieve max level faster.

OrphanHelgen

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

How would this affect the stat and enchant different in for example vr14 and vr16 armor?

Rune_Relic

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

This is long overdue.....and needed.
But god damn it you just know the bug/glitch/exploit pain is coming too.
i am smiling and cringing at the same time.

Ritzey01

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Its the same as with the real world these days, no one wants to work to get anything, they just want it handed to them with as little effort on their parts as possible.

Work? This game is not my job. I do not pay to play this game to put a roof over my head and food on my table. This is a game that I am paying to play, to have fun. I've already experienced getting to VR 16 and doing it on multiple characters = not fun.

Simple, replace work with effort, time, any number of words that will amount to the same thing. Give me a game that i am not earning anything and i will show you a boring game.

We will still be earning champion points across all veteran ranked characters while we play. Isn't that enough for people who feel the need to work for something in a game??

Not if you are capped already.

Then congratulations on reaching 3600 champion points. You won the game!

If anyone in this game has 3600 CP's let me know DA. I have 501, which is cap last time i looked.

Abeille

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

A better answer would be "YES! I won't have to do everything eight more times now!" (six non-VR16 characters plus the two I will make when character slots come out). I already did every quest in the game with my main and with my crafter.

Dromede

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

Its the same as with the real world these days, no one wants to work to get anything, they just want it handed to them with as little effort on their parts as possible.

Work? This game is not my job. I do not pay to play this game to put a roof over my head and food on my table. This is a game that I am paying to play, to have fun. I've already experienced getting to VR 16 and doing it on multiple characters = not fun.

Simple, replace work with effort, time, any number of words that will amount to the same thing. Give me a game that i am not earning anything and i will show you a boring game.

We will still be earning champion points across all veteran ranked characters while we play. Isn't that enough for people who feel the need to work for something in a game??

Not if you are capped already.

Then congratulations on reaching 3600 champion points. You won the game!

If anyone in this game has 3600 CP's let me know DA. I have 501, which is cap last time i looked.

You use 501, but you can accumulate much more, up to 1200 per sign what sums up to 3600 altogether.

Originally there was no cap at all, as there was no increased xp requirement for each new champion Point.

I've been playing this game too much far too long lol

Therwind

Yay! Max level in 3 hours. And after the DLC I can clear every vet dungeon in 3 hours then stand with the rest of the wayshriners can't wait.

DaveMoeDee

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

I wasn't pro-VR removal per se, but do like that I can just get all my alts to 50 and then craft max-level gear for them immediately. Leveling my currently v15 Templar healer has been pure jabs spamming while speeding through quests in each zone. I am in The Rift at v15 and it is pretty likely I hit v16 before DB. I am happy that my remaining 6 alts won't have to repeat all that beyond skill point collecting.

Van_0S

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

Its great if you want to lvl an alt!!!
If not then this hardly makes any difference in PvP but in PvE its a boon due to dungeons group lvl.

Junipus

My guess, if it's not been covered already, will be that they'll remove VR ranks but scale the existing gear to CP level. They'll remove the materials refined from gear being tied to VR rank and instead tie it to crafting level so you can deconstruct an equivalent VR16 item and get rawhide if you were at that crafting level.

They'll introduce gear tied to CP numbers to compensate for the changes and likely tie them to around 25 CP per current VR level, so those with 501 or somewhere around there (depending on their math) would be able to wear current VR16 gear, although that would likely change.

That way they can still keep giving people a sense of progression and still keep the underlying XP grind and VR ranking system they have while making it seem like everyone's going to be equal once they hit level 50. Those who are new and/or casual who don't have max CP will still be disadvantaged against those with max CP, but without feeling like they'll have to grind forever to reach max rank.

While I'm all in favour of removing VR ranks, it'll make it more difficult to determine who's qualified for various dps checks or trials etc since there's no obvious way of checking (compared to now where if you're VR16 doing vICP, taking a VR1 tank isn't ideal). Won't make much difference in PvP since everyone's battle leveled to VR15 currently, and would probably get equivalent stats with DB without any CP gain to compensate.