Are you happy about VR ranks removed?

Dromede

The title says it all I suggest we discuss the concept of level progression stopping at 50, and continuing with CP acquisition vs Veteran ranks. Let's leave all the bugs/lags/technical difficulties 'what ifs' out of discussion! Pretty please

Zorrashi

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

I am eager for it, but I am bit skeptical of its implementation. I want to it to go smoothly, I really do but....
I am fully expecting bugs, exploits and glitches. But there is nothing left to do but wait and see.

Dromede

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Zorrashi wrote: »

I am eager for it, but I am bit skeptical of its implementation. I want to it to go smoothly, I really do but....
I am fully expecting bugs, exploits and glitches. But there is nothing left to do but wait and see.

I completely agree with the wait and see part - that's why i wanted to leave it out of the discussion

srfrogg23

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

I don't think it will change much in terms of max level solo PvE. If anything it might just help to give the end game more of a "sandbox" feel as opposed to the current "zone to zone" progression feel. It will probably also help to clear up the issues with the grouping tool to a certain extent by reducing the number of things it has to calculate.

Other than that though, the game will probably remain mostly the same as it is now.

Taisynn

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

Apherius

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

yes very ! they remove VR rank so we can do ... ah i forgot , NO PVE CONTENT IN THE NEW DLC .. just roleplay -_-' and quest's

wayfarerx

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

Well you're not losing anything... do you need a cookie or something?

Here

VDoom1

No - i liked having clear xp goals

No Im not. How on earth is this max level faster? Now all veterans are demoted to level 50. And from whats been said all that one can do after that is get champion points. I really hope this is just temporary and that some real leveling system that goes beyond level 50 will come. And for leveling between 1-50. Thats not to hard. I gained 1 level on my alt just by grinding for 30 minutes. Thats way faster then questing. Heck some quests can take 30min, and then you dont even get anything close to an entire level worth of XP.

EDIT:
Also this, I'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity. Just not the part that I like Veteran Ranks being removed, I dont.

NewBlacksmurf

Yes absolutely but your reason of yes isn't mine.
That response won't change but I may or may not like it if they use CP

Preyfar

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

I'm more concerned about gear, and how gear is going to be handled. Right now, we have a gear wall where a ton of gear becomes useless and/or impractical to use because it doesn't scale, so I'm curious how/if they'll be re-introducing old gear, scaling/improving existing sets.

Dromede

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

I always felt like the CP, skillpoints, achievements and costumes you earned while levelling is the compensation and incentive at the same time. Waht do you think @Taisynn ?

IcyDeadPeople

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

I have 7 alts eagerly awaiting the day they will be automagically be granted permission to wear all that V16 gear sitting in the bank. Will probably buy character slots to level more after DB as well.

Leveling an alt from 1 - 50 is reasonably fast. V1 to V16 is shorter than it used to be, but still a long, slow grind.

Taisynn

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

Dromede wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

I always felt like the CP, skillpoints, achievements and costumes you earned while levelling is the compensation and incentive at the same time. Waht do you think @Taisynn ?

And then you take them away? I don't like this... Plus all the GEAR takes time to aquire.

SanTii.92

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

To be honest, I don't think all the fuzz around the removal of vet ranks was worthwhile. If I'm not missing somehing I don't see how this will be such a massive game changer some thought it will be, except for new players (depending on the correlation vr16=cps) or altaholics. That said, I welcome the change since I got a couple of chars level to 50 ready for this.

Dromede

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes absolutely but your reason of yes isn't mine.

Give me yours

wayfarerx

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Taisynn wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

I always felt like the CP, skillpoints, achievements and costumes you earned while levelling is the compensation and incentive at the same time. Waht do you think @Taisynn ?

And then you take them away? I don't like this... Plus all the GEAR takes time to aquire.

Have you looked into what the devs said about VR removal at all? They are not taking anything away.

SerasWhip

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

this update was useless

rotaugen454

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

It takes away a LOT of the grind for me, since I already have 501 (well, 530) CP. New players have to get to 160 CP (if they go with top gear at 160 CP as they had earlier said they were looking at), but that should be fairly fast with the catchup mechanic on CP.

Brunoad

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

EXACTLY! This took a lot of work, and they simply whisk it away?!?

rotaugen454

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Brunoad wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

EXACTLY! This took a lot of work, and they simply whisk it away?!?

So the extra 40 CP for having a VR16 doesn't count?

Uriel_Nocturne

No - i liked having clear xp goals

I'll wait and see what they implement, but I'm not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away.

In every MMO/RPG I've ever played, levels give a sense of upward mobility. It's something to strive for, to attain. New levels of power that your character didn't have before.

As things seem right now, Zenimax is trading that forward mobility with horizontal character movement. In the MMO's/RPG's that I've played where leveling was removed for end-game, and a horizontal system was put into place, I got bored with it very quickly. So did many other people from what I saw, players left the game at an increasing rate due to the lack of something, anything to really strive for.

Like I said at the beginning of this post, I'll wait and see what they implement. But they're taking a leveling system that works well (minus the percentage of a fraction of impatient players who complained incessantly that they have to actually do something in the game to level out an alternate character to end-game [something that, again, no other MMO allows you to do]...), and instituting something that is going to be flawed right out of the gate IMO.

So no, I am not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away just to appease some impatient PvP players.

IcyDeadPeople

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Brunoad wrote: »

Taisynn wrote: »

I just want to know how they are going to compensate people who bothered to get to V16.

EXACTLY! This took a lot of work, and they simply whisk it away?!?

Since more than a year ago, it was announced that veteran levels would be going away, and the progression is transitioning to account wide champion points.

If you got at least one character to V16 before DB, this means you had some opportunity to use V16 gear for participating in endgame PVP/PVE.

What's most important, though, is your progression in earning more champion points during this time.

STEVIL

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

VDoom1 wrote: »

No Im not. How on earth is this max level faster? Now all veterans are demoted to level 50. And from whats been said all that one can do after that is get champion points. I really hope this is just temporary and that some real leveling system that goes beyond level 50 will come. And for leveling between 1-50. Thats not to hard. I gained 1 level on my alt just by grinding for 30 minutes. Thats way faster then questing. Heck some quests can take 30min, and then you dont even get anything close to an entire level worth of XP.

As i understand it, the LEVEL BASED attributes and skills gained from vr1-16 will be incorporated into lvl 1-50. Also, gear will be scaled off CP so the already VR16 can use their normal gear. The difference is since alts have the same CP as your vets, once you reach 50 with an alt, he is basically equivalent to your vr16 without needing to do the silver and gold again. Except of course if he wants the skyshards and the quest based skill points your true VR16s already have.

So, other than losing the letters "VR16" no one is being demoted and several would be "promoted" in a very real way.

I am all for it.

I already have 3 VR16, a VR13, a VR10 and three in the VR5 territory so i have done the silver and gold every which way but loose and dont want to do it again for the lower chars to get geared up.

NewBlacksmurf

Dromede wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Yes absolutely but your reason of yes isn't mine.

Give me yours

Yes I'm glad VR is gone because it was never fully added.
I do think CP works better as post 50 progression but I don't agree with any CP requirements to equip gear. Progression as far as equipping gear need to be limited to the armor skill line numeric if we are removing VR.

So I have a couple of ideas and have read some I agree with but all in all, none involve using CP because CP is account progress that applies to characters levels 1-50 so you end up back where VR took us and as such, you didn't resolve any VR issues, you just further intertwined it to something it shouldn't be mixed with which as ZOS shares was one idea why VR was being removed as it touched too
Much that it shouldn't.

What's the point of a skill line numeric progression of all it does is unlock skills but no relation to gear, weapons

IcyDeadPeople

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

VDoom1 wrote: »

No Im not. How on earth is this max level faster? Now all veterans are demoted to level 50. And from whats been said all that one can do after that is get champion points. I really hope this is just temporary and that some real leveling system that goes beyond level 50 will come.

None of your characters will be demoted.

Quite the opposite, all characters V1 or higher will be boosted to V16 equivalent, as long as your account is at least Champion Rank 160, or whatever the amount will be.

Your progress is now account wide, so your Champion Rank is like your level and controls what gear you can equip, etc.

The new leveling system is already well beyond 50, as it would take many years to reach the maximum (Champion Rank 3600).

vyndral13preub18_ESO

This thread is bipolar.

No they shouldnt be removed! They dont take that long!

No they shouldnt be removed! What about all the time i spent doing this!

Makes me glad i dont have to design a video game!

VDoom1

No - i liked having clear xp goals

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

I'll wait and see what they implement, but I'm not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away.

In every MMO/RPG I've ever played, levels give a sense of upward mobility. It's something to strive for, to attain. New levels of power that your character didn't have before.

As things seem right now, Zenimax is trading that forward mobility with horizontal character movement. In the MMO's/RPG's that I've played where leveling was removed for end-game, and a horizontal system was put into place, I got bored with it very quickly. So did many other people from what I saw, players left the game at an increasing rate due to the lack of something, anything to really strive for.

Like I said at the beginning of this post, I'll wait and see what they implement. But they're taking a leveling system that works well (minus the percentage of a fraction of impatient players who complained incessantly that they have to actually do something in the game to level out an alternate character to end-game [something that, again, no other MMO allows you to do]...), and instituting something that is going to be flawed right out of the gate IMO.

So no, I am not a fan of the Vet Ranks going away just to appease some impatient PvP players.

STEVIL wrote: »

VDoom1 wrote: »

No Im not. How on earth is this max level faster? Now all veterans are demoted to level 50. And from whats been said all that one can do after that is get champion points. I really hope this is just temporary and that some real leveling system that goes beyond level 50 will come. And for leveling between 1-50. Thats not to hard. I gained 1 level on my alt just by grinding for 30 minutes. Thats way faster then questing. Heck some quests can take 30min, and then you dont even get anything close to an entire level worth of XP.

As i understand it, the LEVEL BASED attributes and skills gained from vr1-16 will be incorporated into lvl 1-50. Also, gear will be scaled off CP so the already VR16 can use their normal gear. The difference is since alts have the same CP as your vets, once you reach 50 with an alt, he is basically equivalent to your vr16 without needing to do the silver and gold again. Except of course if he wants the skyshards and the quest based skill points your true VR16s already have.

So, other than losing the letters "VR16" no one is being demoted and several would be "promoted" in a very real way.

I am all for it.

I already have 3 VR16, a VR13, a VR10 and three in the VR5 territory so i have done the silver and gold every which way but loose and dont want to do it again for the lower chars to get geared up.

Just what Uriel_Nocturne said. Couldnt have said it better myself. But thats what I meant, or tried to say. Now there wont be much to strive for except more Champion Points.

rfennell_ESO

No option for: I didn't have a problem with the VR rank system in the first place.

Armitas

No - i liked having clear xp goals

I think a sense of progression needs to come from somewhere because without it your characters don't appear to develop internally in power. CP development is nice but it doesn't play a part in DLCs and I really feel like levels are an important part of making a DLC feel worthwhile. CP as a replacement also has a catch 22. If it's valuable enough to give a significant sense of progression then it's going to be a greater grind to the top then vet ranks would ever be. If it's not that significant then the progression is also not that that significant. The last problem I think with relying on CP as the sole source of internal progression is that you can't balance mobs based on CP because anyone can have a vastly different amount or different allocation. That is not the case with levels. With a level cap advancement you feel the mobs become stronger, then as you level, and replace your gear to a new level you feel that progression of becoming balanced again. CP doesn't seem to play that role, it seems to play a role of making things more trivial rather than balanced.

I think they should just make a way to speed through V1-10 (or 12,) and leave the subsequent levels to DLC's. Isn't V1-10 really the heart of the issue; having to go through caldwells silver and gold doing the same quests you have already done on your last character? Maybe they could section off and rebalance a part of craglorn for those who want to get through V1-10 without heavy questing.

MasterSpatula

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

I honestly have no idea how to feel about it. I wasn't too keen on all the goalpost moving on what max level is, but otherwise I'm not very passionate one way or another on VR vs. CP vs. VR & CP vs. 50.

tinythinker

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

No option for: I didn't have a problem with the VR rank system in the first place.

Yeah VR was fine with me; whether or not I like CR-only depends on how they implement it and whether they fix the power-creep. There should be balance and trade-offs involved, like a bane-boon, weaker-stronger type of system, or it just becomes OP and dull.