Sorcerer - Lack of stamina morphs

Erock25 · May 2015

Cathexis wrote: »

This thread is a marathon of circle talking.

Round and round we go. Where we stop, nobody knows. Besides Zenimax. Who said stam sorcs are getting morphs.

Cathexis · May 2015

@Erock25

byrom101b16_ESO · May 2015

Varicite wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

You really do need to read a little about how polls work, and how organisations everywhere use them to get at the truth about their customers opinions. Then maybe you'll begin to understand how they can't all be wrong, and you right.

Perhaps you should look into what "sample size" means and why an opinion poll on these forums would be completely worthless.

I never advocated a poll on these forums - I specifically said it should be OFF these forums.

Why don't you deploy your sarcasm when you know what you are talking about...

byrom101b16_ESO · May 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

I hope he starts w/ the part about Blood Magic being based off of damage done, personally. : D

If all you have to contribute is a cheap shot on an openly admitted and singular mistake, then you are wasting everyone's time for nothing more than your own entertainment.

Well done...

Singular? I'd say your entire overall suggestion for sorc thread that you created is riddled with errors and inconsistencies to the degree that from that point forward I took everything you said with a grain of salt.

Interesting you have to date never once pointed out a single representative error, nor proved a conceptual error in any post I have made so far.

I can point to two of yours without even trying - accusing me of being a 'lone voice' in the counter-argument, and stating that a poll of player opinion would be pointless.

You really do need to read a little about how polls work, and how organisations everywhere use them to get at the truth about their customers opinions. Then maybe you'll begin to understand how they can't all be wrong, and you right.

But it would seem you just want too jump on a particular one-man bandwagon now because it's pointed at me right?

Everyone else can just go hang, because you want your stamina build just so...

Thusly, you have resorted to opportunistic sniping with one liners. Not the most robust debating style I have to say...

As for taking everything I say 'with a grain of salt' - I expect such hand-waving dismissal from you based on your past behaviour. You have similarly tried to characterise others as people who shouldn't be listened to as well. The common thread... they don't agree with you.

You have yet to shoot down with any logical credibility the counter-argument. I would hazard a reasoned guess it's because you cannot (I mean what else could it be..?). So shooting at the messenger is all you have left.

Follow your own advice and say something useful about the argument(s) instead...

Byrom, I realize you are super duper upset about losing a couple of magicka morphs, but get over it.

How extremely egocentric to actually believe that YOUR suggested 'couple of morphs' will be how Zenimax will change the Sorcerer!

They haven't said how they will do it, or exactly when they will do it, but you are still passing yourself off as some kind of 'fix guru' with the inside track.

How hillariously self-deluded.

Varicite · May 2015

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

You really do need to read a little about how polls work, and how organisations everywhere use them to get at the truth about their customers opinions. Then maybe you'll begin to understand how they can't all be wrong, and you right.

Perhaps you should look into what "sample size" means and why an opinion poll on these forums would be completely worthless.

I never advocated a poll on these forums - I specifically said it should be OFF these forums.

Why don't you deploy your sarcasm when you know what you are talking about...

It would have to be in-game for it to be worth anything, and even then, it would very likely still be too small a sample size to matter to anyone.

There's a reason nobody takes these video game polls to heart.

ZaCormyr · May 2015

Another place for me to say this: The game needs more skills in general. It's a bottleneck in the game which is a shame because it is such an addictive part of the game. Planning your skill point usage, testing different builds etc... feed the addiction! Give us more skills and passives!! And if those are increased enough, more skill points to get.

I can't see how anyone would not want this.

shane.roberts25b14_ESO · May 2015

To be completely honest, I don't think more stamina morphs are the answer. I'm not a dev, so obviously I can't be sure, but my guess would be the reason classes are set up the way they are with some magicka morphs and some stamina is because ZOS, in an attempt to "balance" the game, was trying to encourage players to use BOTH resource pools. Unfortunately, they failed. Miserably. And they have no one to blame but themselves.

The reason players don't like to use magicka abilities on a melee build, or stamina abilities on a caster build, is because damage scales off of resource pools. It simply makes no sense for a caster to spec in to stamina and weaken their attack power. The same can be said for melee users. True balance can not be achieved until damage scaling is removed. The only thing resource pools should determine is how many times you can use any given ability.

The go-to chant, of course, is "OMG nurf dis SOO OP skill", but doing so only eliminates the symptoms of the disease, it does not cure it. Skills, on their own, are fine as they are, with some minor exceptions such as unbreakable fear, Radiant executing at full or almost full health, etc. The real problem lies in damage scaling coupled with virtually unlimited resource pools due to the removal of soft caps. By removing damage scaling, all of these "OP" abilities would be back on a level playing field with all other abilities.

On a final note, removing damage scaling would also open up builds and play style immensely. Players would now have a reason to use BOTH magicka and stamina, and traditional builds such as the heavy armor War Wizard or light armor Shadow Dancer would be much more viable. Elder Scrolls games have always promised a gameplay experience where you could do what you want, be who you want, and play how you want, but this particular chapter has failed to deliver on that promise.

Cathexis · May 2015

@shane.roberts25b14_ESO I think the issue is not necessarily about providing stamina morphs as much as providing morphs that help stamina. An offensive stamina morph is definitely required though, minimum one.

I agree with you though about scaling. I think removing stat scaling entirely would greatly, greatly enhance build choice and play styles.