FIX THE WEREWOLF!

ScardyFox

Oronell wrote: »

I have a DREAM that one day werewolves of all colors will RUN on all fours throughout Cyrodil, HOWLING at the moon while RIPPING apart their enemies...yes...I have a dream...I have a dream. - Martin Lupinus Wolf-King

shinkicker444rwb17_ESO

^ what is that picture from?

Iduyenn

I fear, that Zenimax is going to do nothing about this for a long time. Sure "Reduce Ultimatecost by 0.001%" per Patch to keep up the hope.

Why else are we not hearing things about this? They already posted a NB Post with upcoming changes... why not for WW?

Did the changes from last patch make you happy? Are you happy about WW now? Why don`t i hear more complaints? There where some promise made...

Besides fixing NB`s and not fixing Templars there are bugs and other "real" problems. But i would like to hear, that there are going to be some real changes to WW in the NEAR future aswell.

We have some great ideas here. I get it, you cant always get, what you want. But perhaps you might get what you need. And we need a functional WW.
I`d love to see a whole new class with new skilltrees, Amour-sets. Toggle- Ultimate and a heavy response from NPC`s, if they find out about you....
Perhaps there is even a plan for that in the future. But let me remind you of one thing. Dont let player get comfortable with one playstyle, only to rob them after several months and throwing them in the cold water. (asumed, we wait this long)
Stepwise would be enough, but do something...

ScardyFox

shinkicker444rwb17_ESO wrote: »

^ what is that picture from?

An American Werewolf in London

Iduyenn wrote: »

I fear, that Zenimax is going to do nothing about this for a long time. Sure "Reduce Ultimatecost by 0.001%" per Patch to keep up the hope.

Why else are we not hearing things about this? They already posted a NB Post with upcoming changes... why not for WW?

Did the changes from last patch make you happy? Are you happy about WW now? Why don`t i hear more complaints? There where some promise made...

Besides fixing NB`s and not fixing Templars there are bugs and other "real" problems. But i would like to hear, that there are going to be some real changes to WW in the NEAR future aswell.

We have some great ideas here. I get it, you cant always get, what you want. But perhaps you might get what you need. And we need a functional WW.
I`d love to see a whole new class with new skilltrees, Amour-sets. Toggle- Ultimate and a heavy response from NPC`s, if they find out about you....
Perhaps there is even a plan for that in the future. But let me remind you of one thing. Dont let player get comfortable with one playstyle, only to rob them after several months and throwing them in the cold water. (asumed, we wait this long)
Stepwise would be enough, but do something...

To be honest, I have been wondering the same... NB has heard "things" while we have heard diddly-squat.

In fact, I am going to make a post right now...

Shayu

Iduyenn wrote: »

I fear, that Zenimax is going to do nothing about this for a long time. Sure "Reduce Ultimatecost by 0.001%" per Patch to keep up the hope.

Why else are we not hearing things about this? They already posted a NB Post with upcoming changes... why not for WW?

Did the changes from last patch make you happy? Are you happy about WW now? Why don`t i hear more complaints? There where some promise made...

Besides fixing NB`s and not fixing Templars there are bugs and other "real" problems. But i would like to hear, that there are going to be some real changes to WW in the NEAR future aswell.

We have some great ideas here. I get it, you cant always get, what you want. But perhaps you might get what you need. And we need a functional WW.
I`d love to see a whole new class with new skilltrees, Amour-sets. Toggle- Ultimate and a heavy response from NPC`s, if they find out about you....
Perhaps there is even a plan for that in the future. But let me remind you of one thing. Dont let player get comfortable with one playstyle, only to rob them after several months and throwing them in the cold water. (asumed, we wait this long)
Stepwise would be enough, but do something...

They have plans in the works for werewolves, as for the NEAR future, they are obviously putting issues that affect the most players first, as well as content updates to keep the majority of players satisfied. Werewolf buffs will come, it just may not be as soon as we want them.

Syrrisdevlin

I'm not sure if this has all been said or not I know most of it has been but here is my 2cents on WW. I fully agree WW should be a toggle ability but I feel it should have sharp incentives to keep peeps from running around in ww form 24/7 perhaps adjusting it so poison dmg is increased to 100% while in ww form vs 50% while in human form. maybe lowing your health regen by 50% while in ww form keep ww form as a ultimate that's toggle

maybe add another ability that's melee based. Like a swip or something that does dmg to mult targets in your frontal arc with the morph abilities 1 adding a knock back to the targets and the other morph maybe increasing dmg done to closest target like the Templar spear ability

devourer should be changed from increasing ww time to restoring health along with any other abilities that currently add to ww time to reducing the penalties for being in ww form like the vampire abilities do for being in stage 4 hunger,

feral pounce is just plain out crap as is if nothing els it needs to be changed from 1 sec of added ww time to 5-10secs because as is most the time it takes longer to pounce then the amount of time you gain from doing so. but to go along with the changes make feral pounce add a bleed effect to said target that heals the ww so much over time

bloodrage should be changed to add stamina regen in ww form

savage streangth should add power to your attacks per kill for 5-10secs stacking up to 5 times

call of the pack could be changed to add health regen to other ww while in ww form

Drachdhar

Well, the cost reduction for vamp abilities still does not work... It gets reset to stage 1 costs at any transition.

But yeh, werewolf is completely broken atm. Bunch of weaknesses, less than vampire though, but no bonuses.
Werewolf in pvp would be the easiest free kill ever atm. Cant block, cant cc break etc makes for an easy kill. Add into that that Werewolf Transform is the most costly ultimate in the game - should really be the most powerful ultimate in the game then.
There are class ultis which completely melts foes and costs a fraction of what Werewolf Transform does, not to mention the Soul Magic ulti or the vampire ulti which both are very good.

BirdUp

Maybe werewolf could be almost† freely togglable.

†Have it cost a token small amount of 1 ultimate point. BUT make it impossible to bank/vendor/craft/feed-your-steed while in werewolf form. AND once you toggle "out" of werewolf form, you lose all your stored ultimate points.

That way you can NOT toggle out of werewolf form, hit up the banker, and then toggle back into werewolf form; you'd have to go back out in the wilderness to get (at least) a single ultimate point.

Iduyenn

Werewolf
General: Fixed an issue so transforming out of werewolf form when you are crowd-controlled will no longer break your light and heavy attacks.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106452/pts-patch-notes-v1-2-0/p6

VERY IMPortant update... realy...

Maou

Syrrisdevlin wrote: »

feral pounce is just plain out crap as is if nothing els it needs to be changed from 1 sec of added ww time to 5-10secs because as is most the time it takes longer to pounce then the amount of time you gain from doing so.

I'm getting kind of annoyed seeing this argument being brought up time and time again. Yes, it does add one second at LEVEL ONE, but at max level it adds 4-5 seconds to your timer. Still, there is some validity to this argument as werewolf skills take FOREVER to level up, even when in form for hours at a time with the old devour glitch they still leveled slow, and the only real alternative is to put the skills onto your normal hotbar and finish quests with them there which puts you at a disadvantage as you cannot actually use them outside werewolf form...

Sylinias

Having hit VR1 ans playing my WW, I have to say I hit like a B-1 into a mesa; the form/morph/class is effectively useless. I lose all my armor and become a glass claw-swinger.

Drachdhar

I once imagined werewolves to be scary, used to be the movie monster that scared me the most... Still not sure if i'd prefer a werewolf attack over getting eaten alive by zombies though...
Ah back on topic. Guess lycanthropy here is a holdover from Skyrim, in which it was incredibly useless except for disease immunity - something we dont even get in ESO.
Werewolves should be scary almost unstoppable killing machines according to TES lore, the ultimate apex predator.

IMO werewolves should be immune to immoblize and knockdowns on account of their great strength just like quite a few mobs are. Might be slightly imba, but it would also be scary to fight and very fitting.
Damage need to be increased for light and heavy attacks, also crit chance.
Werewolf Form should be a toggle ability, and preferably not an ultimate. It sets your magicka to -100% and lets you have access maybe to class ultimates and/or a new ulti specific to a transformed werewolf.
Passives should get reworked so they benefit the human form somewhat as well since werewolves are often described as very fit specimens for their man/mer race.
More skills for use while in werewolf form... I am certain that I am not the only one that dreamed of playing a werewolf that could actually do some stuff other than mindlessly swipe at things(something which bugs out as well, but that is a general issue with light/heavy attacks and not just for werewolves)... And for longer durations than a few seconds every now and then when you manage to accumulate a huge amount of ultimate and then spend it on the weakest ultimate in the game.
Seriously you can use Standard of Might four times per one werewolf transform, or more even... And I mentioned the Standard mostly to mention how good an ulti should be, werewolf transform should be at least 4 times as good as an ultimate ability - it really is not.

WhitePawPrints

I will add my suggestions to help improve the Werewolf skill line. These suggestions were posted on other threads, so I'll quote them.

This posts was two of my solutions I created to make Toggle possible for those that want it, without affecting balance and allowing for other buffs to be applied:

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Reading and discussing the "toggle" suggestions on these forums, I have found some alternatives that would make toggle possible with minimal or no impact on balance.

My objections to the toggle is because it has been my understanding that the suggested toggle model would be an across-the-board change to all werewolves. And in my opinion, it is a rather short-sighted change due to the fact that any additional ability added, or class change, would have a far greater impact on balancing than if a timer of any type exists. (An issue if a simple permanent werewolf was applied to current model would be the fact that werewolves can often be faster than horses, and with roar, they can easily escape a battle in very similar ways that Bolt Escape allows Sorc classes to escape. There is significant controversy over that ability already.)

However, I could never fully oppose toggle because I personally would enjoy it for roleplay purposes. I enjoy hanging out around Hircine's Shrine and to meet other werewolves. Hence, my first solution that would have toggle be a possibility: To create a small zone with the same affects as the Shrine would be one way to allow for those who want to play as werewolves, to stay in werewolf form. Hircine would open a portion of his Hunting Grounds as a Werewolf Sanctuary. This small zone would consist of a small settlement of Werewolf settlers, and plenty of NPC's for Werewolves to hunt (like Orcs) around it; with lots of possibilities of daily quests.

The second suggestion would be included in what would most likely be an expansion. The inclusion of a second tier of morph abilities. Specific to Werewolf Transformation, a second tier morph choice for either Beserker or Pack Leader (most likely Beserker) would be for a toggle morph (Werewolf Rampancy or named something similar) that would remove the Timer from the Werewolf transformation. This would be a tradeoff of (possibly) buffed Pack Leader and the other second tier morphs that will make the Werewolf stronger.

The first choice would be part of a larger content patch, if not an expansion but it has zero impact on balance. It would also be a great deal of fun in my opinion as I can see Werewolf guilds hanging out there. Maybe even some Werewolf specific set crafting tables can be implemented as well. The second choice would still be a balance concern.

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98644/werewolf-timer-fixes-suggestions-no-toggle

The lack of suggesting additional ability was implied that it is lack of creativity so these are some of the additional abilities and ability changes I have created:

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Pounce - Rename as "Rush" or "Tackle". Given the same affect as Pounce, this ability will close distance by having the Werewolf (four-legged) sprint and tackle, or "pounce" the enemy causing them to be knocked down.
(Morph Choice) Maul - Werewolf swings repeatedly while opponent is knocked down, dealing X damage each hit for six hits. The sixth hit deals 2X damage.
(Morph Choice) Feast - (Cooldown 1 second) Werewolf bites downed opponent, dealing X damage and recovering Y% of X damage into health.

Roar - Rename "Howl". Ability causes casting time to be active, but causes greater fear-affect duration.
(Morph Choice) Rally - Howl adds Z second to Werewolf timers for every Y second Howl is active. Howl only affects Werewolves within X distance of active ability.
(Morph Choice) Roar - Increase duration of fear-affect, and distance of Howl.

Werewolf Vigor - Active Ability - Werewolf becomes immune to Crowd Control abilities for X seconds. (Animation is the Shield icon that NPC's Werewolves have.)
(Morph Choice) Ravenous - Affect remains active during channeling abilities such as Howl or cooldowns such as Feast.
(Morph Choice) Strength - Werewolf gains X boost to Armor and Spell Resistance.

Ravage - Active Ability - Werewolf bites opponent dealing X Damage.
(Morph Choice) Hunger - Ravage now grants life leech of Y health.
(Morph Choice) Fury - If opponent is below X% Health, Werewolf will continue to attack dealing Y damage until opponent is killed, or Crowd Control affect is broken.

Ancestral Rage - Active Ability - Summon the spirit of a fallen werewolf (or regular wolf) to fight beside you for X seconds.
(Morph Choice) Soul Renewal - Summoned Spirit can now take damage. Increase damage to X amount, and remove timer.
(Morph Choice) Summon Y spirits to fight for X seconds.

Hircine's Blessing - Passive - Reduce Cost of Werewolf Tranformation by X%.
(Second Tier) Reduce by Y%.
(Third Tier) Reduce by Z%

Pack Member - Passive - (Beserkers) When active Pack Leader is nearby, gain X% life leech on all attacks. (Pack Leader) When Beserker is nearby, gain Y% Armor and Spell Resistance.
(Second Tier) Increase X and Y percentages.

Monster's Hide - Passive - Increase base Health by X.
(Second Tier) Increase Health by Y.

Bloodlust - Passive - After each successful Devour, gain X% armor and spell resistance. Stacks up to Z times.
(Second Tier) Increase Y% after each successful Devour.

Shadow - Werewolves can now sneak. Sneak radius on werewolf is increased (they're easier to detect).
(Second Tier) Werewolves don't suffer speed penalty while sneaking.

The Hunt - Passive - While werewolves are (four-legged) sprinting, they can activate Pounce to take down their prey.
(Second Tier) - Werewolves sprint speed is increased by X%.

Elongated Claws - Passive - Werewolves deal X% damage to all enemies nearby.
(Second Tier) Increase X%.

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106135/the-hypothetical-werewolf-update-the-science-behind-the-hide

Similar to "The Pack" suggestion I applied in the last quote, there were a list of suggestions I made specific to the Pack Leader Morph due to the Pack Leader feeling incredibly weak to its Beserker counterpart.

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Now for the true benefits of having a Pack Leader among a pack of werewolves would be to give it an ability that will increase Longevity and Survivability, like life leech or health regeneration. This would make a single Pack Leader among a lot of Beserkers a potent force to deal with. Current passive limitations like the stack of five werewolves would be acceptable too, causing for more Pack Leaders to be needed rather than one among 200 werewolves being impossibly overpowered. Regardless, the white werewolf would also become a larger target; which is why they should get a bit more of a durability bonus of health, armor and spell resistance. Simply, other werewolves should have a passive that will increase these effects on an Alpha. (i.e. One werewolf next to the Pack Leader will grant 5% health increase. Two werewolves next to Pack Leader grant 5% health increase and 5% armor increase. And so on.)

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/97281/pack-leader-werewolf-suggestions

All of these were my suggestions on other threads, but I think they all pale in comparison to the real issue with Werewolves that will be an issue no matter the changes they make: The Time. I posted a thread suggesting three points to fix it.

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

First, increase the base timer to at the very minimal of two minutes. This would give allow Werewolves to not feel so rushed to go find the first kills. It would give a greater sense of freedom when making that first transformation.

Second, increase the Devour bonus timer to approximately 30 seconds or more. Devour currently adds only about 5 seconds to the timer, and considering how long it takes to kill an NPC, even 10-20 levels below you, the current time added only delays the transformation back to humanoid form. Devour should accumulate time so that we can stay in Werewolf Transformation form longer, not just delay.

Third, and what I believe would be the greatest fix to the Werewolf longevity issue, is to REMOVE THE TIMER CAP. When in Werewolf form, we can Devour as many bodies as we kill which in the case of a camp raid, can be quite a few. However, if devouring more bodies than after our Timer is filled, those bodies have no benefit at all to the Werewolf time. The initial thirty seconds is all we can ever have, forcing us to rush to find the next meat to slaughter and devour. This alone makes the Werewolf Transformation feel far more stressful than it should be.

Source: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/98644/werewolf-timer-fixes-suggestions-no-toggle

Razum_Khar wrote: »

Werewolf does not feel like a "blood fury / rageing beast". It feels like a crazy race against a clock, with the player being punished for any errors in timing.

draxredd

Werewolf should get

• a cosmetic / basic toggle, a few active abilities (zenimax, have you heard of a game called "Skyrim" ?)
• cumulate human and ww passives in all states (drawbacks apply to all states after all)
• a short ultimate that raise them to gargoyle like combat prowess.

AleriSadasIndoril

Oronell wrote: »

.....
I'm also hoping they will make other "skins" available for WW transformation.

• Black fur with a single white stripe down the spine (B)/White with black (PL)
• Black fur with blue tint, red tint etc
• Variations of brown/gold
• Reddish Brown
• Silver

These skins can be sold via the online store but also be made available via quest rewards.

@Oronell very good idea!!!

and a Hircine questline (see Mage Guild / Fighter's Guild) would be very fine.

Sonja

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Amesiel wrote: »

Are the guys that work on stamina resource, werewolves and Templars on vacation? Is ZoS afraid to acknowledge that stamina users, werewolves and Templars are under performing right now? ZoS Can Templars get an independent forum post on things being worked on for them? Like how the Nightblades have one in the general forums?

No, we agree that all three need fixes and improvements, and are working on them. We're putting together the very type of comprehensive update post you mention. It'll go up this week, as soon as it' done.

@ZOSJessicaFolsom So where are Werewolf fixes/updates/thread?

We are waiting since games release for you to so something about it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror‌

1)Ultimate cost should not be higher then 400

2) Werewolf should run on all four ''leggs'' like in skyrim and not like a human like it does in this game.

3)Werewolf form needs more abilities on the bar.....come on, even NPC werewolves have more abilities then player werewolves do. You already have animations, use them.

4)Werewolves need to be able to break CC. This game is full of CC-s and not being able to break them is suicide.

5) Werewolf berserker should have black fur and red eyes instead of a gray fur which is the same color of a newly transformed werewolf who just gained the skill line.

6) Werewolves in human form should either get some buffs like vampires do via passives or not take additional dmg from poison and fighters guild....i mean whats the logic/point there?
If you go for ''realism'' then any werewolf while in human form should be stronger then regular ''puny morta'' or ''average joe''.

Mori

Sonja wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Amesiel wrote: »

Are the guys that work on stamina resource, werewolves and Templars on vacation? Is ZoS afraid to acknowledge that stamina users, werewolves and Templars are under performing right now? ZoS Can Templars get an independent forum post on things being worked on for them? Like how the Nightblades have one in the general forums?

No, we agree that all three need fixes and improvements, and are working on them. We're putting together the very type of comprehensive update post you mention. It'll go up this week, as soon as it' done.

@ZOSJessicaFolsom So where are Werewolf fixes/updates/thread?

We are waiting since games release for you to so something about it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror‌

1)Ultimate cost should not be higher then 400

2) Werewolf should run on all four ''leggs'' like in skyrim and not like a human like it does in this game.

3)Werewolf form needs more abilities on the bar.....come on, even NPC werewolves have more abilities then player werewolves do. You already have animations, use them.

4)Werewolves need to be able to break CC. This game is full of CC-s and not being able to break them is suicide.

5) Werewolf berserker should have black fur and red eyes instead of a gray fur which is the same color of a newly transformed werewolf who just gained the skill line.

6) Werewolves in human form should either get some buffs like vampires do via passives or not take additional dmg from poison and fighters guild....i mean whats the logic/point there?
If you go for ''realism'' then any werewolf while in human form should be stronger then regular ''puny morta'' or ''average joe''.

What she said! These would be awesome changes, and you have to admit it now - we deserve something special for being forced to wait as long as we have now! It's time to let the werewolves run freely in cyrodil, to howl at the moon and eat enemy players. Instead now we are laughed upon if we are stupid enough to go beast form... Not cool at all. Where is that play what you like? I can, but its not viable at all..... fix it now!!!!

WhitePawPrints

Sonja wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Amesiel wrote: »

Are the guys that work on stamina resource, werewolves and Templars on vacation? Is ZoS afraid to acknowledge that stamina users, werewolves and Templars are under performing right now? ZoS Can Templars get an independent forum post on things being worked on for them? Like how the Nightblades have one in the general forums?

No, we agree that all three need fixes and improvements, and are working on them. We're putting together the very type of comprehensive update post you mention. It'll go up this week, as soon as it' done.

@ZOSJessicaFolsom So where are Werewolf fixes/updates/thread?

We are waiting since games release for you to so something about it.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MattFiror‌

1)Ultimate cost should not be higher then 400

2) Werewolf should run on all four ''leggs'' like in skyrim and not like a human like it does in this game.

3)Werewolf form needs more abilities on the bar.....come on, even NPC werewolves have more abilities then player werewolves do. You already have animations, use them.

4)Werewolves need to be able to break CC. This game is full of CC-s and not being able to break them is suicide.

5) Werewolf berserker should have black fur and red eyes instead of a gray fur which is the same color of a newly transformed werewolf who just gained the skill line.

6) Werewolves in human form should either get some buffs like vampires do via passives or not take additional dmg from poison and fighters guild....i mean whats the logic/point there?
If you go for ''realism'' then any werewolf while in human form should be stronger then regular ''puny morta'' or ''average joe''.

They claim to acknowledge the performance issues with Stamina-Builds and Templars but seem to be afraid of their own player base now. They've lost so many of their subscribers already, that if they now nerf the Sorcerers and Dragonknights, they'll lose the rest. Zenimax chose their targeted crowd when they released Craglorn, and they chose wrong!

Grinders and Min-Maxers apparently are all that are left, which is evident because they're not addressing the Templar issues, not addressing the Stamina issues, not addressing the imbalance in VR zones, and not addressing the Werewolf issues. All they're doing is small tweaks that do not help out these issues in their performance, while they continue to give small buffs to Sorcerers and Dragonknights.

Vampires seem to have been built for DPS but they have significant better tanking capabilities than the Werewolf. Zenimax literally gave the Vampire all the abilities that should have been for Werewolves. Again, now that they did fixes to the Vampire class, and minimal nerfs, all the Min-Maxers threw a tantrum so Zenimax is too afraid to continue fixing these two options skill lines.

All in all, don't expect a response about Werewolves any time soon. Don't expect changes to be implemented... probably ever.

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO

As stated in their recent way-ahaed postings, WW MAY get some changes. Which means its dead already. Let it rot and get vampire. They at least got some usefullness ALL THE TIME.

Sonja

Zenimax MUST buff up werewolves or they will lose us as customers. We are screaming for werewolf revamp for more then three months!

Vinniekliennie

Cyrdemaceb17_ESO wrote: »

As stated in their recent way-ahaed postings, WW MAY get some changes. Which means its dead already. Let it rot and get vampire. They at least got some usefullness ALL THE TIME.

lol they sayed play the way you what and i wanna play as a werewolf so *** of with your vampire Zenimax must buff werewolves.

natewook

i love this

ScardyFox wrote: »

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hello, everyone. We are actively reading all your feedback, and do encourage you to continue to share it with us. Your constructive feedback is valuable, and allows us to make improvements to our game and ensure a fun and rewarding experience for everyone.

In order to ensure continued constructive and meaningful discussion on our forums, we ask that you please refrain from creating petition and protest organization threads on our forums. Neither allows for open, constructive discussion or exchange of ideas since most posts consist of “/signed.” Instead, we ask that you offer recommendations, suggestions, or requests about topics you feel need change. In order to continue making improvements to our game, it’s important that we get details from you regarding why you like or dislike something.

We are leaving this thread open for discussion, but we’ve removed the word “petition” from the title and edited the first post. If you have any questions or concerns about this edit, or our community rules of conduct, please feel free to contact us. Thank you!

Genuinely thank you for this post, regardless if there is a bit of stick waving in it. People just want to see/hear SOMETHING is being done because of how utterly dismal lycanthropy has been implemented. The only public acknowledgment that has happened has been a nerf to the skill line - which given its current state has generated intense vitriol amongst your diehard wolves.


Since we're trying to be constructive here I'll add my two cents.

Drop the Ultimate Generation.

Werewolves should have its own ultimate like Vampire does. I am a maxed out werewolf with complete Salvation set. Yes, I can generate transformation faster, but it takes 5 slots of armor? Thats crippling. Yes, I understand that will cause major re-writes in certain armors and skills, but its so poorly implemented right now it seems an absolute.

Give us a dodge.

It will require animation tweaking (because it should be a roll but rather a mini pounce back/forward/left/right) but we are utterly defenseless against any and all CC/AoE. In a game that is inundated with CC of various kinds, thats a death sentence.

Give us a CC break.

I'm not sure why we were never give any - perhaps people thought we would be too overwhelmingly powerful with one, but that is clearly not the case. Again, in a game where CC is king this is just a bad design flaw. At the very least allow us a passive that gives us a percentage (pertaining to how many times its bought into) that causes CC attempts to fail on us.

This would also depend on toggled Transformations or not. If we're stuck with the pedestrian idea of Ultimate generated transformation, this would be something helpful. If we get a toggled one, that allowed for a much longer wolf time, it could be over-powered. Either or, we need SOMETHING in this regard. The game is insanely heavy with powerful CC - that again - neuters us instantly.

A one time Design on our wolf form.

Allow us to customize our werewolf one time. Nothing major or rather to the extent of creating a character when you start the game. However, fur color, SOME size adjustment, eye color, shaggy coat, slight height scaler? Something - hell, even add in a money cost to it after the first free adjustment.

However, having a bunch of clones running around goes against the heart of ESO and character individuality.

Animation

For the love of God, please fix the animation run - I feel like I should be listening to the Benny Hill theme when I am Frankenstein running my way around the place. Hate to invoke Skyrim, but the run there was certainly done well; perfectly I might say.

Transformation

I am one of the people who don't want it changed, just make the fear effect last (slightly) longer to cover its length. It is an incredibly useful tool in the game when used right. Perhaps add an aspect like Shadow Barrier (from the Shadow NB passives) to it as we transform.

Night Time

Vampires get slight enhances at night, which make sense. Give us something as well. Perhaps, at night time only, our sense of smell is increased making all targets within a decided radius "visible" to us. This should only be applicable in were form and were form alone.

Pounce

It needs some speed added to it, if possible.



I've tried to give a few examples of things not often said - there have been a lot of fantastic ideas given about actual abilities to add. Please, come at the community more often with "we're addressing it, thanks for the input" post rather than the polar opposite. So far we have mostly seen a nerf to the worst skill line in the game and some stick waving with the OP's choice of words.

We all realize there is a lot to do given the amount of bugs and such in the game. So Wolves must be fairly low on the ladder of things that must be done. However, a post every once in awhile saying "Hey, we now its not come out so great, we're gunna fix it" will release a lot of tension.

Of course I also know it will start raising calls for "how long will this take!?" but that is far better than abject silence on such a abysmally received skill line. At least if you let people know something is being done, some of the forums will be policed by members asking for patience. As it is right now though - its a bad (if not horrific) idea to remain deathly silent over a "class" that has some serious die-hard fans and some serious issues with it.

Thanks.

I think that werewolf's should have more emotes for the people who like to RP in werewolf from,and werewolf's should have a first person view option.anyway i love those ideas.

mr.scottkenyonub17_ESO

After some Brainstorming, here is what I come up with:

Night Shifts

Forget Lunar Transformations! Make it every night! Give a random chance every night to involuntarily shifting into Werewolf form, with the highest chances during the Full Moon. This makes the Werewolf Skill more of a double-edged sword, giving great power at the cost of learning great responsibility.

Maximum Level Skill Perk

Give a perk that rewards you for your progress through the Werewolf tree, and create a perk that increases the power of your bestial form, reducing the ultimate cost, and a bunch of other things, at the cost of also passively making you weaker to certain forms of damage, like poison. It'll also make you weaker in human form (by about 2-3%. That's a lot in the late game, but it isn't demoralizing). Again, going with the theme of a double edged sword.

New Abilities

Really? Only two abilities? Okay, that needs to change!

• Sweep: Give the enemy a piece of their own medicine and swipe them all at once! It does a fixed, leveled amount of damage to all targets in front of the Werewolf, and it'll hurt. Possible morphs could include a tanking ability (taunting all enemies hit), and an offensive ability (increasing damage and shredding armor)
• Rejuvenation: Who said a Werewolf can't heal himself? Rejuvenation is an ability that applies a HoT to the Werewolf only. This will increase his survivability in combat without having to rely on potions or a friendly healer. Morphs could be similar to the morphs of Regeneration, only that it it applied to the Werewolf only. This should be the only Magicka-based ability.
• Focus Senses: More of a buff than anything else, Focus Senses is similar to Surge from the Sorcerer class, doing a fixed, leveled stat boost to Power, attack speed, and defense. It won't increase resource pool sizes, so the costs remain the same. Morphs could include either boosting the power bonus or the armor bonus.

Passives

I think there needs to be more passives having to do with the human form, and maybe a passive-based path depending on how you want to control your bestial form. Do you want to rely on your bestial strength more often? Or do you want to grow in harmony with your bestial side? The choice should be yours.
One thing that needs to be changed is Devour, which, despite being useful for leveling your Werewolf form, needs a serious upgrade. I can't heal with Devour? What the actual f***! You're eating somebody's heart! Plus, the time bonus isn't even that great. Do I really need to explain what needs to be done here? Just frickin' do it!

Other Fixes

Just so it doesn't get repetitive, I'll just list the fixes.

• Werewolf animations aren't beast enough. Enough said.
• Let me customize my Werewolf! Thinner body? More fur colors? Ripped clothing? Do it, do it, do it!
• More blood! MORE CARNAGE!!!

Oh, the good old days... Well, there you have it...

natewook

i get this every time i transform in to a werewolf in the cyrodiil zone,

Connorwatson2009b16_ESO wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdEz6GFl1oQ&feature=youtu.be this is the bug that happens to me

and when i transform in the zone for the god of schemes quest this happens to me to.

natewook

OMG i love this for rp

Ikata_Stormcloud wrote: »

Just my two cents from another perspective.

TL:DR Make Werewolf a toggle with a timer that only runs down in combat so us RPers can actually RP as Werewolves


I've been an RPer for many years now, from tabletop, to forum, to in games such as ESO, and while I am aware that most game developers cater to the PvPers and the PvEers first some thought should be given to us RPers as well. (As an aside I do think ZOS have done a modicum of that with the amount of character customisations, the revisit able lore library and so forth)

With that in mind I'll give some context - I've had the same Orc in almost every game I have RPed, or at least incarnations of him, with a few things that always, always remain the same:
- He blends Melee combat with destruction magic (usually heavily shock focused, with either a two handed axe/sword or dual axes/daggers)
- He wears a 'medium' armour set (a blend of furs, mail and leather)
- He's bald
- He has a HEAVY affinity with the Wolf. (In WoW that was done via the Frostwolf clan, the Shaman class (it fit with the rest) along with the many wolf visage head pieces available. In the ES games he's always had lycanthropy. So on and so forth.)
The most successful ES incarnation has to have been my Skyrim Character - with the Stalhrim light set, Dragonbone Axes and a LOT of graft into enchantment, smithing and alchemy I managed to create my Orc almost perfectly. The elemental magic manifesting though Shock and Frost enchants as well as having Shock spells as openers to fights, with my ultimate means of approaching difficult fights being Beast Form, coupled with Beserker rage it was almost unstoppable and once you had skill investment you could keep it up almost indefinitely as long as you had enough corpses to feast upon. If I had to make a guess as to the longest time I spent roaming the wilds as a Werewolf I'd probably put it close to three hours, rampaging through bandit camps, dungeons etc, without ever losing the form. This all of course was wonderful and fit perfectly with the character in my head - there was just one small downside, I was alone.

When I saw we'd have access to the Werewolf skill line in ESO I rejoiced! Finally I'd be able to create the perfect incarnation AND have people I could share it with, both in random RP encounters (he's an Orc following the Code of Mauloch, he takes most insults as a reason to cave a few faces in, as well as honouring Hircine through the hunt) where if things were going sour i.e his fighting prowess and Storm magick wasn't cutting it - BOOM - Werewolf form to either flee (very unlikely) or savage the unsuspecting bar patron that thought it would be funny to call him an ugly brute - and of course RP though the fall out of such a transformation however it would play out. As well as through pack RP; organised hunts, pack meetings, fights to decide who is alpha etc etc.
The ideas in my mind, the excitement at the endless possibilities finally open to me in this MMO were euphoric. Until I got the form.

After leveling at a fairly intense rate during Early Access, while still drinking in the world and the lore around me, I finally got to Bangkorai to begin my hunt for that elusive Werewolf bite. Of course initially that was an utter disaster as I was unaware of the moon phases, and how that affected the spawns. I spent a good three hours running around like a madman, naked (for I didn't fancy damaging my gear if I did find the wolves) and spinning around and around looking all different directions... For four days that continued, the pattern ended up being I'd sleep during ESO days and have alarms set for ESO nights to check for spawns. Then finally after four days of nothing there they were. Those glorious Wolf like humanoids. I rejoiced, as with hands trembling from excitement I charged into the fray, immediately taking several big hits and seeing a disease pop up on my buff bar. I hurried from the Wayshine into Evermore, accepted the quest and was on my way. - I wont spoil the quest here for those that may not have done it -

Needless to say I was anxious to test my hard earned Werewolf form so I farmed a few packs, got the ultimate and was ready to rampage... I don't think I need to tell you how cripplingly disappointed I was.

I wont go into what I think needs to change for the combat mechanics as I believe others here have covered that very well and the point of all the stuff above isn't about combat. Instead I will gear what I am about to suggest towards RP; pooling from several of my guild mates as we'd all have the desire to RP a werewolf.

Make the form a toggle. Please, I beg of you!
If any of you have any RP experience you'll know that it is often a very timely process, especially as there is no 'duel' function for those people that would rather settle in character disputes with actual combat, emote fights can sometimes take hours if the combatants are evenly matched. Meaning the meagre duration of the WW form currently leaves us woefully lacking in time to actually utilise our gift in character. Not to mention the idea of Pack meetings, hunts, setting up territories, patrolling those territories etc etc is simply impossible. Sure we -can- do it in our human forms but in my mind one of, if not the, most important factor within RP is immersion and lets face it if we can't be in our WW form while RPing as a WW - what's the point?

Another big attraction of the WW form is the increased run speed; in Skyrim, playing as an RPer, I refused to fast travel, nor would I ride a horse because for the most part I think Orcs look ridiculous on horseback, so if I needed to get somewhere in a hurry - I'd take to four legs and begin the run, stopping now and then to kill and devour a deer/elf or unsuspecting hunter/lone human(oid) in order to maintain my form. Yet I'll never take on my WW form simply to move faster in ESO because the mechanics just simply don't allow it. If it was a toggle I'd be able to do so.

"But indefinite Werewolf form would be overpowered!" I hear people cry: honestly with the state its in at the moment it would put us at a disadvantage. Utilising Atropos' The Reaver build I have so much sustain in my human form while in combat that most of the time the only way I will die is if I pull slightly too many mobs while in my single-target loadout and even then the chances are if it's under 8 I'll survive as long as I play safe. Heck while travelling though Reaper's March at vr4 I soloed ALL of the worldbosses without an issue. Had I been in my Werewolf form I doubt I'd manage that at all. However if you insist there MUST be a timer for Werewolf form, make it ONLY run down in combat This gives us RPers what we want, the ability to properly RP in our Lycanthropic forms without having to constantly go off and farm more Ultimate (which I might add - as we're often not in level appropriate zones for the sake of actually making sense - can be a very very difficult process) while maintaining a 'fairness'
Such would also give us more usefulness in Cyrodil as we could properly act as scouting parties/Pack assault groups yet would be limited to the time we could spend in combat. It would -also- mean that devour would actually be worth doing as we'd not lose most of the time gained from devouring while devouring.

Obviously I understand that RP isn't top priority but we pay our sub the same as anyone else and I think certain issues need to be addressed.

natewook

i hope this thread isn't dead there are so many good ideas here

luzpteb17_ESO

Everything that could be said has been said already, it's not that its dead but besides complaining about the lack of updates there's not much to do.

nightwalkerrobin_ESO

The Devs really need to give us some response to all the questions and complaints about the Werewolf skills. I have a Rank 10 Werewolf, but still find that it is more of an oddity than a usable skill line. What is amazing to me is that the Devs have all these wonderful suggestions from the players to choose from. The only brainstorming they need to do it working the most common suggestions into workable skills and features. However I think ZOS is lacking in the number of coders, and as we have already seen they have a server lack of Program Management, QA, and proper Testing. Hopefully they can hire more people and correct this problem, which will help them make the game what the players want to play.

MrMT

Sonja wrote: »

Zenimax MUST buff up werewolves or they will lose us as customers. We are screaming for werewolf revamp for more then three months!

It's not happening. Give it up.

If for you, this game hinges on having a viable werewolf, I'm afraid it's not your game.

natewook

my simple request for teso team for now is that they make a Developer Discussion for werewolf's, OK so I've come up with some idea for werewolf's,i think that they should have more fur colors

real wolf http://media.photobucket.com/user/Loona93/media/wolf.jpg.html?filters[term]=wolf&filters[primary]=images&sort=1&o=58 black wolf's http://media.photobucket.com/user/xajx7/media/Predatory_Eyes__Black_Wolf.jpg.html?filters[term]=black wolf&filters[primary]=images&filters[secondary]=videos&sort=1&o=3 timber wolf's http://media.photobucket.com/user/Aniblue24/media/All Real/josphone836.jpg.html?filters[term]=timber wolf&filters[primary]=images&filters[secondary]=videos&sort=1&o=8 red wolf's http://media.photobucket.com/user/johnny_07652/media/IMGP0787.jpg.html?filters[term]=red wolf&filters[primary]=images&filters[secondary]=videos&sort=1&o=1

and they should have it where you can chose you're eye colors.