Templar The GOD Mode Class

thilog

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thilog

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

Ok

Oh btw.. congrats on COMPLETELY missing the point of my post. I did mention in SOLO MISSIONS.. in general I find playing the templar fun. Just not in solo quests.

And your suggestions for templar in solo. Utterly useless.

thilog

Custos91 wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

You mean the only single target healers, all other roles will be better filled with nightblade or sorc healer

Agree with this, sorcs and nightblades or templars with pure healing setup are usually at the back of the group and can see everything that's going on. Therefore will be ideally place to act as secondary healers. Or primary in the temps case. But a temp working as a second tank taking aggro off the main tank so he isn't overwhelmed, can still act as a good healer, simply by holding his shield up.. and aggroing. (this gives him time to look around, see who's hurting etc)

You know, you see groups asking for healers.. do you think they're expecting a dd temp? or even a part healer tank temp.. they're asking for a healer, because that's what they want, they usually have a sorc, db and dk.. if you turn up all set with dd attacks and a resto staff.. your avg combat is going to be minus a sorc every fight.. because you won't be able to heal the guy everytime he aggros all the mobs when he nukes them.

Theres lots we can argue about in eso, I think they really did well with group management in wow, it's a pity the graphics in that game are so poor. eso has the opposite problem. Great graphics, no management or design.

Nox_Aeterna

thilog wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

I hope you are jking.

If you trully think:

1) Templars are the only healers in the game.

2) Templars are usually healers.

Then you should play more and understand how the game works and what builds players are using.

I thought you were.. next you'll be suggesting that someone with skill in alchemy is a healer.. having a resto staff, does not make you a healer.. think your tank is going to be switching mid combat to heal a mage whilst he's trying to control everything else? I think not. But a templar can do that without even switchin to his resto staff, at the press of a button.

Actually , it does , i have seen sorc healers , had 0 problems during the run.

Im a dps templar , never had one single player complain about my dps , i kill stuff as fast as the next guy , if not faster than some. The solar prision is amazing.

I can also heal , if needs be , but templars got one weakness and it is the mana poll , healing + dpsing is costy , so it becomes a problem.

Also , there is another thread about dk/templar tanks , while i will agree with you , i think the dk is the better tank , it is quite clear the templar can also tank without problems.

cazlonb16_ESO

Err, how about if a group is looking for a healer and you run a DD templar setup, don't join them ?

sdande

you already start with those threads? Man have you played pvp? Have you seen the sorcerers cross 500meters in under 10 sec? Have you seen vamps in their "mist" form running into zerg taking no dmg at all? Have you seen shieldbash 8000 ? Have you seen the dk aoe/kill all thing? I guess not. even if; its way to early to start whining. Let them some time to get the data they need and zos will do everyhting they can to get proper balance into the game.

thilog

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

I just want to point out to the original poster, build optimization and exploitation of game mechanics are two totally different things.If certain players have found ways to optimize a templar build, that's fine, but don't call them out for exploitation. Exploitation is taking advantage of breakdowns in game mechanics like glitches and bugs. Even if this "god spec" you refer to is overpowered, which I'm not debating on either side of, using the skills that ZO gave you isn't exploitation.

It is, if they are being used to exploit. You'll soon find out when they nerf them, "because every templar is doing this"

Shamusangus_24

That feel when Templar Healer with absolutely no dps other than light and heavy resto staff attack.

Someone's gotta keep everyone alive when in dungeons with tanks not holding aggro, and DPS going barbarian on me....

thilog

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

Quoted for epic fail. Every class can fill every role in TESO. Nightblades, for instance, can make really badass healers. Just because Templars have an easy to see healing line doesn't make them the only healers in this game. furthermore, a Templar can put everything into dps, and not be melee. They can use bows and destruction staff. Please read up on the game before you talk. Or go back to World of Warcraft. Either-or.

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Templars are designed to be the healers. Yeh they have dd and other abilities.. but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes. Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

cazlonb16_ESO

thilog wrote: »

Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

And who is to decide that ? You ?

soalrism

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

you my dear have not understand core mechanics of eso! the class doesn't define the role! templar CAN be healer, but also can be tank, melee dps, ranged dps, caster dps... everything is possible. and every class can be healer, resto stuff defines you as healer the SAME way like a templar which CHOOSE to use his restoring light skills...

steinernein

thilog wrote: »

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Templars are designed to be the healers. Yeh they have dd and other abilities.. but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes. Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

Templars are designed to support non-resto staff based heals, and sure you can stack up on a resto staff and that will give you the edge in direct heals but you still lack the utility of other classes.

For instance, a sorc can provide magicka aura and also has a very high sustain compared to a templar all the while competing for heals. Not to mention crit surge etc.

When a party asks for a healer they generally don't care which class it is so long as they do the job and all classes can do the job competently and competitively which is all that matters as that's what the designers intended. Don't be an idiot.

Having a resto staff doesn't make you a healer, you're right, but having 3-4 out of your 6 slots being heal based definitely makes you a healer and if you select the right ones then you're a primary healer.

ElSlayer

thilog wrote: »

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Okay, let's go back to the basics.
Give me definition of "Healer" as it stands from your point of view.

thilog wrote: »

Templars are designed to be the healers.

I suppose you've ment "the ONLY healers".
Why do you think so? Just because they have healing line? Well, then I can make another statement:
Templars are desined to be the ranged caster DD because they have Ardent Spear skill line. You agreed with that?

thilog wrote: »

Yeh they have dd and other abilities..

So you assume that DD and other abilities were given to Templars just for... "window dressing"?

thilog wrote: »

but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

Wow, you're making such solid statements... It looks like you've collected some kind of statistics on peoples expectations?

thilog wrote: »

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes.

Can't argue with that.

thilog wrote: »

Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

Yeah, yeah. It doesn't meant to just because you say so.
How about - it works because the game designers wanted to make it work?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

While I have no idea if Templars are op I can safely say, if any game company ever nerfs something based on the very informed opinion of, nerf the white ball thingies, oh and the shootty thingies, and nerf thier stabby thing. Then that game company has some real issues.

D00fD1ll4

I play my templar as a ranged DD, with Bow and Heavy Armor.

I can tell you, i can almost smell the envy of other players when i easily kill 2 or 3 mobs of my same level. The worst that can happen to me is that i end up with 50% of my health so i have to use a heal (when doing bosses i may have to use a potion, because as already mentioned, the magic drain when playing a dd templar is something you need to cope with)

so much for templar being designed to be a healer

EDIT: to understand this, you must know that templar got alot CC skills, especialy snaring and pushing back. So meele mobs seldom have a chance to even come into your melee range, you can finish them off with your bow. And excactly these CC skills are the reason i picked templar, because they fit very well in my bow/kiting playstyle. Healing is just a pleasant addition, but not my main skill line.

EDIT2: having both skillpoint in long range and sniper, you do alot of damage when shooting from a hidden long range position. i'd say my opening bow shot almost drains 1/3 of the mobs hp. followed with a snare, next bow long range bow shot and the mob is down to 1/3 of his initial health after my 3rd move and mostly still 15m away. even if i'd do nothing now, he will die until he reaches me because of the DoT from my 2nd move

zamiel

Shamusangus_24 wrote: »

That feel when Templar Healer with absolutely no dps other than light and heavy resto staff attack.

Someone's gotta keep everyone alive when in dungeons with tanks not holding aggro, and DPS going barbarian on me....

To be honest a healer incapable of self defense is just as fail as a tank not holding aggro or dps not killing stuff. In this game a healer needs 3 things - a resto staff and two slots in his hotbar for heals. That's all. If you can't make yourself contribute with 3 slots and an ultimate in damage dealing you are worthless.

This game is not WoW with nannybot semi-afk healers. Everyone here can heal, certain classes can off heal as their regular damage dealing rotation, a healer is only someone who saves other's asses if they get too low. That's your only job as a healer, tossing out a regen when the buff comes off and tossing out big heals if your guys gets low.

thilog wrote: »

Templars are designed to be the healers.

Templars are the second worst healers in this game, only DKs are more inefficient. Templar healing spells are extremely magicka hungry and templars have 0 skill to regain magicka besides pots. NBs can deal cool damage while healing and are more mag efficient, they are miles ahead of templars in usefulness. They are only surpassed by sorcs due to Dark Exchange where you can basically heal from two bars.

LadyChaos

thilog wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

I hope you are jking.

If you trully think:

1) Templars are the only healers in the game.

2) Templars are usually healers.

Then you should play more and understand how the game works and what builds players are using.

I thought you were.. next you'll be suggesting that someone with skill in alchemy is a healer.. having a resto staff, does not make you a healer.. think your tank is going to be switching mid combat to heal a mage whilst he's trying to control everything else? I think not. But a templar can do that without even switching to his resto staff, at the press of a button.

She's not saying they are something else switching to a healer, shes saying you ARE a healer, just use a resto staff, no switching need, be a healer primary. We all only get 5 skills, the resto staff plus whatever you want from your class line has some decent ability to heal for any class.

The tank is the tank the dps is the dps , the healer is he healer, regardless of what class they chose. There is tank builds/weapons for every class, healer, and DPS... Nobody is talking about people switching mid-fight unless that's how they play it. Between the Armor, guild, weapon and then the class lines, any class can run any spec, the class line gives them their flavor.

Nordak

Pang wrote: »

Can tell OP hasn't actually played the class.

Templar is my main and its hardly a god mode class. I play a Ranged DPS/Support Staff Templar. With the nerfs to Magicka regen during the final stages of Beta the Templar is no where near as powerful.

While I would like to see a buff to our magicaka management I think the Templar in its current state is pretty good where its at and in the hands of skilled players is indeed a formidable Class is any role they choose.

I agree, the Night blade is more suited to healing with siphon skills. Other than that any class is a suitable healer, dps or tank. The most important thing is how you spec across all of your skill trees to get the most out of your build. I have yet to see any class that doesn't have an OP build.

Nordak

thilog wrote: »

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

Quoted for epic fail. Every class can fill every role in TESO. Nightblades, for instance, can make really badass healers. Just because Templars have an easy to see healing line doesn't make them the only healers in this game. furthermore, a Templar can put everything into dps, and not be melee. They can use bows and destruction staff. Please read up on the game before you talk. Or go back to World of Warcraft. Either-or.

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Templars are designed to be the healers. Yeh they have dd and other abilities.. but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes. Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

You are a misguided individual, the game is meant for all classes to fill every role completely. I play nightblade and can solo most group dungeons, does that make it broken as well, or your build a piece of crap? I have seen other classes do the same, so take your merry ass to the shrine of Stendarr and do some serious thinking about what you want to do. Your mistakes do not necessarily make any class broken.

Chomag

PVE is serious bussiness.

Also goodluck healing when your heal costs about half your magicka bar and you never have enough to heal because as a templar your class skills are used mostly and they all drain magicka. So you either do damage OR heal, whichever you pick.

strelnikov

ElSlayer wrote: »

Ahhh.. finally. First threads about class balance issue have started to showing up.

Yeah, Templars are pretty tough. Still I've managed to kite them (melee ones) sometimes with Nightblade using Bow and Cripple skill. They are not that unkillable as you make it sound.

Yea I know but that lance sure does smart, I'll tell ya.. If your not being chain pulled up to the top of the keep and ganked by a dragonknight your being impaled by a templar.

FYI it is kinda hard to hide when you have a glowing 3 meter lance sticking out your bum as you run from those Templars.

Pang

Nordak wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

Quoted for epic fail. Every class can fill every role in TESO. Nightblades, for instance, can make really badass healers. Just because Templars have an easy to see healing line doesn't make them the only healers in this game. furthermore, a Templar can put everything into dps, and not be melee. They can use bows and destruction staff. Please read up on the game before you talk. Or go back to World of Warcraft. Either-or.

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Templars are designed to be the healers. Yeh they have dd and other abilities.. but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes. Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

You are a misguided individual, the game is meant for all classes to fill every role completely. I play nightblade and can solo most group dungeons, does that make it broken as well, or your build a piece of crap? I have seen other classes do the same, so take your merry ass to the shrine of Stendarr and do some serious thinking about what you want to do. Your mistakes do not necessarily make any class broken.

Yeah there is No Healer class or DPS class or Tank class. Been playing this game in Beta and PTS for a while before launch and now into launch that statement was true then as it is now. How you build your class determines your role not the class itself.

Maybe that why so many are having a tough time playing through content and thinking its too hard, they are trying to shoehorn old pigeonholed class ideas from past games into this game. Once you figure out how ESO works and how open it really is I think some of these people may actually start enjoying the game.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

As if Templar was the only healing class

Hexcaliber

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

Zeeed wrote: »

op +1 my room mate as healer solos ALL group mobs with no no problems as they are not resistant to knock back WTF ?? I cant do that on DK with 140 skill points !!!!

Uh, sorry to be so frank, but l2p.

Use the plethora of multi target fire DoTs the DK has if you need to quickly dispose of groups of little mobs and against story bosses the CC, just like a Templar would.

Keep in mind that you can switch skills on your hotbars between fights and you are probably expected to do so by the developers.

You CANNOT cc bosses ***, might want to learn to play yourself, before making asinine comments.

steinernein

Hexcaliber wrote: »

You CANNOT cc bosses ***, might want to learn to play yourself, before making asinine comments.

Hey ***-For-Brain,

I am pretty sure he means storyline bosses in which case there are probably quite a few affected by CC.

Carde

thilog wrote: »

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

Quoted for epic fail. Every class can fill every role in TESO. Nightblades, for instance, can make really badass healers. Just because Templars have an easy to see healing line doesn't make them the only healers in this game. furthermore, a Templar can put everything into dps, and not be melee. They can use bows and destruction staff. Please read up on the game before you talk. Or go back to World of Warcraft. Either-or.

Quoted for epic fail..

Wrong. Having a resto staff does not make you a healer.. having heal pots does not make you a healer. It just makes you an assistant. It's like giving a cop a tazer and sending him off to war.. it doesn't make him a soldier.

Templars are designed to be the healers. Yeh they have dd and other abilities.. but when people ask for a healer for 4 man dungeons, they aren't expecting a db, dk or sorc to turn up.

The 4 main classes, are main classes because they are main classes. Go figure a db is main healer and the 3 temps are dd.. yeh it works.. doesn't mean it was meant to.

This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever seen, and you could not possibly be more wrong.

Frail_Old_Man

All classes can tank, heal and dps, End of story. Some people will never get this.
All classes can AoE grind, it's easy for templars at the -start- because of the healing abilities. Mage becomes a lot better grinder after a while since their AoE dmg can be quite crazy(saw one solo a pub dungeon all the way upto the boss).

Bows are the one thing that needs some serious narfing. That deepz is insane. Its been like that for a while too.

cliveklgb14_ESO

/facepalm at someone who hasn't played a class to end game, suggesting how to balance them.

cliveklgb14_ESO

thilog wrote: »

. The only healers.

Umm no they aren't. Restoration staff can turn any of the other classes into a healer if they have the points into it.

. Some like Nightblade have great synergy with the Restoration staff as healers. You can heal groups even in dungeons without being a Templar, and can do it quite well. Inf fact the Nightblade healers are quite popular as a healer variant.

Sorcerer healers can really be great healing and CC combinations.

There are absolutely more just templars as healers in the game.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

My Templar is funny ...... rotation:

spear > spear > spear > laugh next monster > repeat