Templar The GOD Mode Class

Mercutio_Montague

Anazasi wrote: »

I don't know if you are just confused or hating but low level Templars the dps seems to be scaled up a little too high. However, end game content seems to scaled appropriately. You wont be using 2 combos to kill anything as a Templar unless you are very well built for dps including divines and special armor and weapons with glyphs not to mention crit buffs. However, if you want to complain about dps you can easily choose other classes to beat on. Templars seem to be well balanced thus far.

wrong this happens in vet rank as well. this is just so funny

Mercutio_Montague

Zsymon wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the OP has only seen low to mid level pve Templars at work, which is easy for any class. At Veteran level things are very different. The Sorcerer puts out obscene amounts of damage and CC with dark Magic, and insane execution with Mages Fury, the Dragonknight burns huge groups of enemies to a crisp in seconds, and yeah I agree the Nightblade could use some help against groups of enemies, but in return they get insane single target damage. The Templar is by no means more powerful than the other professions, except in the healing role of course. But they aren't better DPSers nor are they better tanks, in fact they are worse at DPS compared to all three other classes, which incidentally was the OP's main gripe. Nightblades, Sorcerers and Dragonknights with the right builds, of which there are several to choose from for each class, simply do a lot more damage than Templars. Eclipse? All a player has to do to avoid it, is not cast any spell for four seconds.. that's a huge magicka waste for the Templar right there, players not understanding a skill mechanic is not a reason to nerf it.

wrong again. I do understand the skill mechanic it's not rocket science. BTW dude i'm veteran rank and have seen it happen many times with Templar. by the way guys make up your minds this guy is saying they're best in healing department but scores of people have stated reasons why this isn't so.

They aren't worse dps at all.

You know this was the same ........one sec i'm going to make another post for my next point

Mercutio_Montague

You guys coming on here stating I don't know anything....i'm talking nonsense. I haven't seen vet rank.

1. If I wasn't right scores of you wouldn't be trying to defend your OP class. you have an unfair advantage and you want to keep it that way. understandable. the number of you having those 2 moves as the core of your build is so much this kind of overreaction is expected .

2. This reminds me of the tempest of seth when Age of conan got realeased. (it's not anywhere near as bad but the mentality of the defenders is the same)
For those of you who don't know what i'm talking about i'll tell you. This was another healer class that could literally take on 60+ mobs no problem. For those of you who will cry that's not true and you actually played the class and i'm talking trash I have one thing to say to you

YOU SUCK big time cos IT was easily possible.

Any way I went on the forums and said hey guys this is insane this class is way to powerful. (Sure When Age of conan realeased Balance wasn't even in their closest considerations)

Despite being able to kill 60+ mobs while other classes could only handle 6 at a time. 100 hundreds of people like you came on crying that I got my arse handed to me and I should move on and learn to play.

I must say as a social experiment of how people defend unbalanced systems that are in their favour says more about the human condition than the actual system in place.

Anyway they kept coming and coming insulting and breaking my posts into bits and repling to every portion of it in order to prove they had completely proven me wrong. What a joke.

Carry on defending your OP move. it's understandable your that bad you need it.
I don't blame you

jmido8

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You guys coming on here stating I don't know anything....i'm talking nonsense. I haven't seen vet rank.

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Carry on defending your OP move. it's understandable your that bad you need it.
I don't blame you

Honestly, learn a bit more about the game before saying stuff is OP. Templars have mediocre dps. Our skills give us a lot of utility that makes farming a bit easier than other classes but we can never farm as crazy as a sorcerer or dragonknight.
Here's a video of a dragonknight solo farming VR dungeons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f3Ynqyq4tQ

You can skip to 4mins on this video. It's a sorcerer killing 10-12 monsters in a few seconds without even getting hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYhx4TeIyEY


Here's another video of a VR sorc with all his points in Health and still practically insta-killing huge packs of monsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uM0f2dxI08



There's no point in arguing about this anymore, templars aren't anywhere comparable to these 2 classes in terms of dps.

rwood0604_ESO

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

ok I think it's about time I responded. I waited to respond because I wanted to see this at higher level. I am now vet rank

All these comments

"I'm sure the OP is mid level"

"i'm sure the OP has never played a Templar"

I was just in a dungeon in the vet maps. Guess what same thing. Templar just runs up and owns the living day lights out of 3 mobs without breaking a sweat.

It's just funny. That one sun lance move is just stupid. let's see you can shot and hit 3 mobs at the same time then totally own all 3 with high cone damage. Lol.

Since it's not such a big deal. why do I see Every single Templar with these moves. They all have it on their bar at all times. Seen about 500 Templars at this point. if it's not OP why do every single one of them have it.

There are some moves that I like to have in every build I make. Why because they give me a good edge. But when every Templar feels the need to have those moves in every build they make something is wrong.

As a test Zenimax nerf those 2 moves and just watch how many Templars come out crying stating that their class is now unplayable.

before you start screaming they should do the same thing to me. Sure let them. I use such a wide range of moves they'd have to nerf the game to actually get me to complain.


Just watch the minute that gets nerfed Templars every where cry that they are unplayable.

No need to flame just watch what happens when it gets nerfed.

Your complaints are invalid you just don't know how to play or you want to "play for fun" and feel like you still should be a badass aswell, I have a sorc with DW daggers and I pwn 6+mobs easy with just spamming whirlwind and using thundering presence

kjetil_s_engenb16_ESO

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You guys coming on here stating I don't know anything....i'm talking nonsense. I haven't seen vet rank.

1. If I wasn't right scores of you wouldn't be trying to defend your OP class. you have an unfair advantage and you want to keep it that way. understandable. the number of you having those 2 moves as the core of your build is so much this kind of overreaction is expected .

2. This reminds me of the tempest of seth when Age of conan got realeased. (it's not anywhere near as bad but the mentality of the defenders is the same)
For those of you who don't know what i'm talking about i'll tell you. This was another healer class that could literally take on 60+ mobs no problem. For those of you who will cry that's not true and you actually played the class and i'm talking trash I have one thing to say to you

YOU SUCK big time cos IT was easily possible.

Any way I went on the forums and said hey guys this is insane this class is way to powerful. (Sure When Age of conan realeased Balance wasn't even in their closest considerations)

Despite being able to kill 60+ mobs while other classes could only handle 6 at a time. 100 hundreds of people like you came on crying that I got my arse handed to me and I should move on and learn to play.

I must say as a social experiment of how people defend unbalanced systems that are in their favour says more about the human condition than the actual system in place.

Anyway they kept coming and coming insulting and breaking my posts into bits and repling to every portion of it in order to prove they had completely proven me wrong. What a joke.

Carry on defending your OP move. it's understandable your that bad you need it.
I don't blame you

LOL...you are so full of s h i t ....

I played AoC from ealy closed Beta, and i still play it once in a while. I have all classes maxed, and have done all reasonable content that is in that game. In a almost perfect cycle all classes have been op in AoC. Tempest beein able to take on 60??? mobs at once? in what zone? a low lvl one?.

Check the videos above. My guess would be that you have a terrible build and gear synergy. I was fooling around in the public group dungeon in Coldharbor the other day as lvl48. I could barly take on a group of mobs as a templar, and that was with all the foodbuffs and potions running. Problably dont have the best gear or skill synergy, buy hey...i admit it. I did on the other had see DK's throw themselv in a big broup of mobs and kill'em all with just taking about 20%dmg on the hp-bar. I did see mages nuking said group of mobs without them even getting close to the mage.

I teamed up with a NB that also had troubles, but he admitted to have mostly single target abilitys. He had no problem nuking a boss solo as he proved it while i was standing there ready to heal him if anything went wrong.

So my guess would be that you are full of s.h.i.t and just want other classes to get nerfed.

Mercutio_Montague

kjetil_s_engenb16_ESO wrote: »

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You guys coming on here stating I don't know anything....i'm talking nonsense. I haven't seen vet rank.

1. If I wasn't right scores of you wouldn't be trying to defend your OP class. you have an unfair advantage and you want to keep it that way. understandable. the number of you having those 2 moves as the core of your build is so much this kind of overreaction is expected .

2. This reminds me of the tempest of seth when Age of conan got realeased. (it's not anywhere near as bad but the mentality of the defenders is the same)
For those of you who don't know what i'm talking about i'll tell you. This was another healer class that could literally take on 60+ mobs no problem. For those of you who will cry that's not true and you actually played the class and i'm talking trash I have one thing to say to you

YOU SUCK big time cos IT was easily possible.

Any way I went on the forums and said hey guys this is insane this class is way to powerful. (Sure When Age of conan realeased Balance wasn't even in their closest considerations)

Despite being able to kill 60+ mobs while other classes could only handle 6 at a time. 100 hundreds of people like you came on crying that I got my arse handed to me and I should move on and learn to play.

I must say as a social experiment of how people defend unbalanced systems that are in their favour says more about the human condition than the actual system in place.

Anyway they kept coming and coming insulting and breaking my posts into bits and repling to every portion of it in order to prove they had completely proven me wrong. What a joke.

Carry on defending your OP move. it's understandable your that bad you need it.
I don't blame you

LOL...you are so full of s h i t ....

I played AoC from ealy closed Beta, and i still play it once in a while. I have all classes maxed, and have done all reasonable content that is in that game. In a almost perfect cycle all classes have been op in AoC. Tempest beein able to take on 60??? mobs at once? in what zone? a low lvl one?.

Check the videos above. My guess would be that you have a terrible build and gear synergy. I was fooling around in the public group dungeon in Coldharbor the other day as lvl48. I could barly take on a group of mobs as a templar, and that was with all the foodbuffs and potions running. Problably dont have the best gear or skill synergy, buy hey...i admit it. I did on the other had see DK's throw themselv in a big broup of mobs and kill'em all with just taking about 20%dmg on the hp-bar. I did see mages nuking said group of mobs without them even getting close to the mage.

I teamed up with a NB that also had troubles, but he admitted to have mostly single target abilitys. He had no problem nuking a boss solo as he proved it while i was standing there ready to heal him if anything went wrong.

So my guess would be that you are full of s.h.i.t and just want other classes to get nerfed.

don't you remember when tempest came out they were able to drop about about 20 electric totems when the game first game out. I have seen with my own 2 eyes a TOS just killing a whole camp of mobs constantly.

Don't come on here and tell me i'm lieing when it's exactly what happened.

And yes your right. I have nothing better to do with my life than wish other classes were nerfed.

Mercutio_Montague

jmido8 wrote: »

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You guys coming on here stating I don't know anything....i'm talking nonsense. I haven't seen vet rank.

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Carry on defending your OP move. it's understandable your that bad you need it.
I don't blame you

Honestly, learn a bit more about the game before saying stuff is OP. Templars have mediocre dps. Our skills give us a lot of utility that makes farming a bit easier than other classes but we can never farm as crazy as a sorcerer or dragonknight.
Here's a video of a dragonknight solo farming VR dungeons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5f3Ynqyq4tQ

You can skip to 4mins on this video. It's a sorcerer killing 10-12 monsters in a few seconds without even getting hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYhx4TeIyEY


Here's another video of a VR sorc with all his points in Health and still practically insta-killing huge packs of monsters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uM0f2dxI08


There's no point in arguing about this anymore, templars aren't anywhere comparable to these 2 classes in terms of dps.

Blaming it on Sorc Aoe grinding when both video show the problem with the Destruction staff.

That's all it is noob.

Let me explain both builds which are based on the same thing.

High health and high health regen. Spam one move FROM DESTRUCTION STAFF!!!!!!! Over and Over again. The same build could be made for both Templar and nightblade. The reason I don't think that's OP is cos everyone can use Destruction staff but not every one can use aerdric spear.

You've only just proven one thing with your rubbish videos.

Destruction staff is OP. That wasn't the point of this post cos I don't see skills that everyone can get as OP since they are accessible to everyone.

Dude actually think next time about what your seeing before you go around blaming it on the class. In both cases they are both using Destruction staff and both playing high def, high health and high health regen.

In grind groups I see this build all the time which is why i'm going to get Destruction staff as well.

Bonifer

So every single player can be more op then templar if he uses destruction staff? Doesnt a templar using aedric spear nerf himself if he also could use destrostaff?

How can something be op if every single player has the option to be more powerful?
If you nerf aedric spear would those players just switch to destrostaff and then even be more powerful? But then its ok cause they are using what everybody else can use too?
And destro is ok cause you do use it too? But you want to nerf people that can use the second best? Cause why?

Thinking is not your strength.

jmido8

It's their class skills which make the destro staff so powerful, you didn't notice the sorcerer was running a skill to boost his wep damage by 60 and heals himself for 65% of the dmg everytime he crit, or that the dk was using a toggle skill that does aoe dmg + regen magicka for each kill? A templar trying to do this would run out of magicka really fast. To match them in kill speed, we would have to be spamming solar barrage in between our destro abilities but that would drain our magicka way to fast to keep it up.

Weren't you complaining earlier about templars being OP and not learning the game because of OP skills? Then you say you're going to start using the destro staff because it's OP, lol ok.

Mercutio_Montague

Bonifer wrote: »

So every single player can be more op then templar if he uses destruction staff? Doesnt a templar using aedric spear nerf himself if he also could use destrostaff?

How can something be op if every single player has the option to be more powerful?
If you nerf aedric spear would those players just switch to destrostaff and then even be more powerful? But then its ok cause they are using what everybody else can use too?
And destro is ok cause you do use it too? But you want to nerf people that can use the second best? Cause why?

Thinking is not your strength.

you do know you can use aerdric spear with the destruction staff. So how does he nerf himself. it's a class move. so you can use it with anything. Wow

the difference with destro staff everyone can use it. Not everyone can use Aerdric spear.

Mercutio_Montague

jmido8 wrote: »

It's their class skills which make the destro staff so powerful, you didn't notice the sorcerer was running a skill to boost his wep damage by 60 and the dk was using a toggle skill that does aoe dmg + regen magicka for each kill?

Weren't you complaining earlier about templars being OP and not learning the game because of OP skills? Then you say you're going to start using the destro staff because it's OP, lol ok.

Wrong wrong and wrong again. I have duel wield, resto , 2handed and bow. I'll use Destro staff cos it's good and if aerdric spear was available to my class I'd use it too so what.

Surge affect weapon damage i.e not spell damage. That's an AOE SPELL. Do I have spoon feed you everything

ok so you edited your post to include the 65% of damage it heals him for.

The killing of those mobs so quickly is based on Destro staff not sorc. his survival is based on sorc.

let me be clear if Destro staff didn't hit that hard and that fast surge would be worthless on that build. So the smart thing to do would be to bring destroy staff in line with other weapons and boom surge's effect is reduced as well as the ablilty for that to happen.

Plus when that does get brought in line those fools would have invested all their points in health for a build that is now worthless.

Better yet nerf surge lol. Doesn't matter it won't break a lot of sorc. unlike the effect nerfing Aerdric spear will have on Templars.

Mephiston87

Templar is easily the weakest class atm, even if specced it cant really do damage check the wrath abilities theyr all crap, every tree in the templars passives are also crap. no idea how this person got this information.

also 0 magica maintenance.

Mercutio_Montague

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Templar is easily the weakest class atm, even if specced it cant really do damage check the wrath abilities theyr all crap, every tree in the templars passives are also crap. no idea how this person got this information.

Lol what are you smoking can I have some XD

Mephiston87

seriously have a look at the templar "dps tree"(wrath tree) other then vamps bane its actually quite bad. especially the passives.

Gisgo

From what i read on the forum lately DK are OP, Templars are OP, Sorcerers are OP, NB are not OP but if they catch you off guard they will *** you in a second.

Basically we got a balanced game?

Mercutio_Montague

Mephiston87 wrote: »

also 0 magica maintenance.

vampire passives 10% magicka regen (which doesn't stack with the summon from sorc tree) so with vampire your the same as a sorc regen without the mana cost

light armour regen and magicka reduction. Boom your done.

try and think guys....oh wait you do know about this your just playing possum so you can keep your OP move

Stautmeister

I feel this is a contest of who has the larger male genitalia.
All of the classes have some edge over the other in a certain department.
For DK's Its green dragonblood and burning talons
Sorcerers got blink (which is amazing) And a solid execute on magicka.
Nightblades got insane stealth bonuses
Templars got awesome control/buffs.

All of this can be used to buff a certain playstyle.

Mercutio_Montague

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jmido8 wrote: »

It's their class skills which make the destro staff so powerful, you didn't notice the sorcerer was running a skill to boost his wep damage by 60 and heals himself for 65% of the dmg everytime he crit, or that the dk was using a toggle skill that does aoe dmg + regen magicka for each kill? A templar trying to do this would run out of magicka really fast. To match them in kill speed, we would have to be spamming solar barrage in between our destro abilities but that would drain our magicka way to fast to keep it up.

Templar can't do this. cos you'd have to spam solar barrage.

Vampire + light armour (they are all wearing light armour in your videos noob)

you'll have enough mana regen.

Plus in those videos they are spamming 1 move. Lol 1 move over and over again. That doesn't even come from the said class.
I'm sure Templar and Nightblade can do this. It's a brainless build by the fact both players have focused on a small amount of stats. namely heatlh and health regen.

Your side tracking this discussion from the main point to Templars can't use destroy staff spam. frankly I couldn't care less.

Mercutio_Montague

Also wanted to say this.

You Templars really are special. you've turned this thread into a 17.4k viewed thread. crying and defending your OP move. I simply posted my Opinion. Just like lots of Opinions out there but you busted yourselves.

Your like the criminal who cries I didn't do it before he's been accussed. if you were really smart you would have let his thread die. disagreed and moved on but you were so afraid someone would listen you actually shot yourselves in the foot. lol what jokers

Mephiston87

Which OP move are we defending? link it up, i want to see what your talking about. also when people say 0 magica maintenance we mean none of our spells bring back magica/help us maintain magica as far as im aware every other class gets a magica return ability or a siphon etc. but templars do not. templars have to rely only on the equilebrium which in my personal opinion isnt worth it and is late game from the mages guild tree. seriously which ability is it ill find an equal ability thats better then it in every way on another class i bet you.

trahe

The spear is cool looking, sounds like a machine gun and hits multiple targets for good damage. Yes, I like it. I actually dropped the knock back spear from my bar because I don't want to chase down loot. It's fun. Thankfully this game is not balanced and some things are nice. Every class has nice things. I hope they keep it like that.

Raynekatt

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You Templars really are special. you've turned this thread into a 17.4k viewed thread. crying and defending your OP move.

I remember when this thread started an thought, naw can't be bothered reading it any more. Then I was told I should check it out after you started posting in it. Now it's great to read. Thank you!

By the way, I'm a Templar.

lao

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

Ok I have seen some posts about people complaining they find it hard to solo with this class. Let me solve all your problems with 2 easy steps.

Put Sun lance (don't know the proper names but all good Templars will know what i'm taking about)
And white fireball that hits up to 3 targets at the same time.

Done your sorted with that you can take on the world now.

oh yeah and have an oh *** heal in your hot bar as well. There you done.

Every Templar I see has this build. Every single one. They shot the white fire ball that hits 3 targets that takes for at least 40% damage for all 3 and then they use sun lance to hit all 3 50% gone. and then do what ever to finish all of them off. All at the same time.

It's just crazy. they use this over and over and over again.

Zenimax I know this has been mentioned in beta and why you haven't done anything about it is beyond me.

Couple of things to consider

1. Templars won't learn the game as fast as they should:

Well why? easy. They don't need to. They don't need CC. they don't need that much defence (even though I know they have nice defence buffs) cos the mobs are dead before they can respond. This leads to using only the I win build. Most player won't bother with anything else. They may have some other moves in the for coolness factor but as long as their I win build is in there they don't need anything else.

2. There are Templars that are super smart.

Some players are natural exploit artists. They will do the math and figure out which builds are 500% optimal. (no fun here just pure efficiency). Watch for the videos of a Templar taking on a raid like what happened in Warhammer online. Once that happens your reputation will go to the toilet. Warhammer never recovered from that.
Interesting enough it was a healer melee class that did the feat. You have been warned.


The solution is simple bring those 2 moves in line with what everyone else has. i'm not saying there isn't other imbalances out there. there probably are. However this is the most obvious one in your game at the moment.

Nerf the cone effect and or nerf the damage on those 2 moves. I heard burning light is also OP but hey tbh I don't know about that one. However I can say I do know about those 2. It's basically a joke at the moment.

However it is not a major problem at the moment.( at the moment) fix it now and you'll be seen as a good judge of balance and proactive. And plus there will be less back lash from the Templars cos we haven't settled into the game yet. Leave it to where they totally start spending large amount of money, time and effort around these moves and you'll get your self in some serious trouble. Cos when they start to do that. You'll see some insanely OP builds which you will have to nerf and the black lash.

Well......

Thanks for you time. Good game though. I'm enjoying it.
P.s what were you thinking with grand healing morph.
you have a choice for 1 extra sec or 6 Mp for person healed. Jesus I have never seen such a waste of a skill point either way you go. 1 sec extra is nothing. 6 mp per person can be nothing but yeah I can see in large scale pvp can be insane. but really to avoid all this . Re-design the morphing said of that skill. Either make it 2 or 3 extra secs and come up with something else for the other option.

are u seriously saying ur dying to biting jabs? o_O have u tried using ur movement keys?

Mephiston87

if he's talking about aedric spear its a very mana consuming ability and one target only. with the morph it can do more damage depending on range. I took it off of the bar because its mana cost/damage is terrible compared to vampires bane.

Shrekmom

thilog wrote: »

gimmethecreepsb14_ESO wrote: »

I just want to point out to the original poster, build optimization and exploitation of game mechanics are two totally different things.If certain players have found ways to optimize a templar build, that's fine, but don't call them out for exploitation. Exploitation is taking advantage of breakdowns in game mechanics like glitches and bugs. Even if this "god spec" you refer to is overpowered, which I'm not debating on either side of, using the skills that ZO gave you isn't exploitation.

It is, if they are being used to exploit. You'll soon find out when they nerf them, "because every templar is doing this"

Nope not every templar doing it! And i do just fine without them.

Kyubi_3002b16_ESO

I hope they fix vampire ultimate cost constantly bugging back to 200 before that

Mercutio_Montague

lao wrote: »

are u seriously saying ur dying to biting jabs? o_O have u tried using ur movement keys?

wow really?

Mercutio_Montague

Raynekatt wrote: »

Mercutio_Montague wrote: »

You Templars really are special. you've turned this thread into a 17.4k viewed thread. crying and defending your OP move.

I remember when this thread started an thought, naw can't be bothered reading it any more. Then I was told I should check it out after you started posting in it. Now it's great to read. Thank you!

By the way, I'm a Templar.

your welcome XD

Mercutio_Montague

Mephiston87 wrote: »

if he's talking about aedric spear its a very mana consuming ability and one target only. with the morph it can do more damage depending on range. I took it off of the bar because its mana cost/damage is terrible compared to vampires bane.

one target only. lol