Templar The GOD Mode Class

Drekor

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

Drekor wrote: »

I'm seeing ~550 or so sustained damage from Templars... what are you suggesting others are maintaining?

Also if you want theorycrafting for templar dps... we have maff!

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/templar-dps-theorycraft-challenge-win-a-rare-motif/

Someone on there sim'd out a 950 DPS sustained build.

using his math nets you with 1.5k to 3k dps on the 3 other classes... temps are really overpowered :P

I'll call you on that... show me the math or some proof of a 3k DPS on any of the 3 other classes that can be sustained indefinitely(or at least several minutes) on a single target.

Sandhya

Templar God mode?

Yeah, and then you touch VR content.

silent88b14_ESO

metaldrummer1962b14a_ESO wrote: »

Whiners ruin games not properly utilized classes that pwn

Subjective opinions posing as (faith-based) science ruin games. Let the devs run the numbers and earn their living and let us players learn to play within the ruled limitations.

loechasteb16_ESO

templar is just good at lvl 1-50 after that you get owned very hard. templar is still not bad in suporting your group mebers but not usefull in single player veteran content. Socs and DK are the real badass champs out there tons of damage and the templar looks like a pacifist priest who doesnt want to do any damage to your enemies.puncturing strikes looks like a joke agains the damage a soc ot does. eclipse is a joke agains reflecting scale of a DK. and backflash would be nice if you had any abilities to deal REAL damage.
DK does simly more damge and has a nice heal (33% of lost health) witch is enouth for yourselfe. and the passisves are just BAM. the templar has a lack of damage in my opinion. you have more usefull abilitys as a dk or soc ( cant tell nb have never played it) than a templar. the only reason why i play templar is i want to be a suporter/healer in pvp.

Tarwin

Meh, I just can't get into shooting bolts and fireballs from my fingers. I only like dragging my 2H and swinging it wildly while compensating for lack of DPS with survival heals.

Tankqull

wrong thread

Enkshar

My templar did excellent till lv 50, had no problems leveling, almost no death. The moment i hit VR zone, i spend more than half my time running from shrine to quest spot, just to die again and again. I tried lots different builds but templar does no damage. Skill dmg dont scale with weapon, i can use a legendary weapon or not weapon at all and my punture strike will still say 53 dmg per hit on tool tip. I have to use 4-5 skills just to kill one mob when any mob can easy kill me. Its really frustrating

jdroebuckb16_ESO

Interested to see what happens at level 50+. I am level 40 and have probably only died in PvE about 6 times since level 10.

My tactics go like this. Open up with either blazing spear (3+ targets) or dark flare (1-2 targets). Pop a reflective light on each mob (and benefit from the AOE). You are now at distance with a set of weakened mobs that are in slow mode. I then chose either the nearest mob or if all at distance the one with the most health left and throw a binding javelin. Once pinned I machine gun venom arrow and light bow attacks. Then re-apply reflective lights, binding javelin and then machine gun again. Throw a large heal if needed.

The 6 times I died in PvE was due to being caught off guard kiting into a 3rd set of 2-3 mobs and just getting too much aggro.

I have heard bow templar tactics like this work fine through VR so plan on continuing to do it. I picked up snipe but find the 3 seconds just slows me down compared to the above. I am not sure if the spamming of venom arrow and light bow attack breaks the cooldown/animations but you can literally unload your stamina at the rate at the speed at which you can click two buttons. The templar skills are for maximising the damage (i.e. vulnerable foes when pinned with binding javelin) and for crowd control.

For boss fights where single target DPS is required, then I will use my +14 second spell critical pots with my pot cool down timer rings/amulet and have 100% crit chance up 100% of the time, which when using a mondus stone for +crit damage seems to give you upwards of a *1.7 damage, guaranteed, endlessly on the boss.

PvP is a different ball game. I simply play a skirmisher and where needed I will turtle with the co-ordinate group AOE bombing with blazing spear. If I see an isolated enemy then I will machine gun with venom/light bow. If I know we are going to be outnumbered I will throw a boat load of defensive abilities onto my bar and go maximum survivability till the numbers dwindle and then I can swap out into my offensive bar again (a dead person does no damage).

If I see a VAMP then I don't just turtle along with the group and get wiped. You are best fanning out slightly and circling the enemy zerg with vamps in. Then offload silver bolts and use flawless dawnbreaker when available. They become number 1 priority to pin and kill, using sorcs AOE stuns to help achieve it.

Bit long post and I will happily eat my words when reach VR soon but I don't think templars are OP and I don't think they are rubbish. They are as good as you play them and you can find synergies with other skill lines to make the best of them.

Kroin

Templar is quite hard in vet Zones, low damage, im Vet 6 now and i changed to 1 hand and shield so i atleast have a bit more armor, works quit well.

Gaudrath

Enkshar wrote: »

My templar did excellent till lv 50, had no problems leveling, almost no death. The moment i hit VR zone, i spend more than half my time running from shrine to quest spot, just to die again and again. I tried lots different builds but templar does no damage. Skill dmg dont scale with weapon, i can use a legendary weapon or not weapon at all and my punture strike will still say 53 dmg per hit on tool tip. I have to use 4-5 skills just to kill one mob when any mob can easy kill me. Its really frustrating

No skill will scale with your weapon - it will scale with the relevant stat pool. So for magicka based skills, pump up your magicka and you will do more damage. Same with stamina skills.

jdroebuckb16_ESO

Well - I'm a heavy armour wearing templar, that uses a bow with balanced stats between stamina and magicka... that has a 2 handed defensive bar if I get too close to mobs and start getting overwhelmed. At the moment, nearly everything dies before it gets to me (so you could say I would be better in light/medium) but my feeling is that at VR level I will welcome the survivability.

tplink3r1

no problem here in VR10, but never tried any dungeon.
http://esohead.com/calculator/skills#mokz9mkW9MmiG8bznQ8rFTd8bzLX8b0jf8frrv8b0pS8bzno8rHyA8rHLg8rrYR8ffkr8ffdp8N7DLDM6LDm6rDi6LDu6LDG6MbMUf6MbMXv6MbMXO6MbMX28T7NLRMA8j7JLU06LUR6LUa6MrJO16MrJPr6MrJPh6MrJPu8n7DrWQ6LWU6mW36MfwgO6MfwgU6Mfwg26Mfwe08y7HMfQE16MfQE36MfQlr6MfQlu6MfQlI847zzxLCe8zf7zzNbo8zu7zzHfYE6zHfZd8zG7zzHQ3F8zI7zzJIoX6zJIkL8zN7zzJZcY8zA7zzKpUN8zL7zzK4EX
2,1k magicka
2,3k health
1,6k stamina
using VR5 gear, i dont like the looks of the VR10 ancient elf armor.

sywilson_ESO

So let's just nerf every class down to a stiletto and cloth armor...it's the American way right? Lowest common denominator?

Come on. If you get owned by another player in PVP or embarrassed by another in PVE stop blaming the system. Try making better builds and stop tearing down what works for others.

I've seen this so very many times in other games. The minute the devs start listening to the "kneecap my opponent because I didn't win" demographic the game turns into nerf hell and everyone spends more time in the blogs complaining than playing the game.

If templars are better then why aren't you playing a templar? Because you didn't think of the build? If you knew and played the other class then there is something in the other class that attracted you. You have a problem with that other class then figure out the gap and talk about that.

When the wall came down in the Soviet Union there were two types of people:
Those that made a fortune off their new found freedom, and those that burned their neighbors houses down because they were jealous of their new found wealth.

Me I'd rather make the fortune.

Wifeaggro13

Veakoth wrote: »

Singling out templar for their dps output is hilarious.
I'm a vet 7 templar and i can tell you now the thoery crafted builds for templar dps aren't anything compared to dk and sorc ((mainly fire dk)mainly pulsar destro)

I would really like to know what level you are and if your even in veteran yet.

Cant wait till that Light armor Destro staff build is nerfed . Fing ridiculous
zzzzz

AlexDougherty

sywilson_ESO wrote: »

So let's just nerf every class down to a stiletto and cloth armor...it's the American way right? Lowest common denominator?.

Not American, rather insulted by the blind assumption we all are.

reggielee

this is an old thread, why even bump it...........

JoyEnergiser

lol, templars have better AOE for farming PvE than sorcers and DK's??
This is a joke right ? Or you are a troll.

Either way some noobs might read this and believe a trouble maker like you.

VileIntent

ROFLMFAO....

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

Im a templar and completely disagree with this. If by sun lance he means the first spear ability that hits 4 times and knock-back single target? are you kidding me? its ok, for pre-vet pve, otherwise its garbage. In pvp people just block it and you wast magica, in vet the damage output for magica cost is meh, and even though its instant cast its essentially channeled because everyone can hit you during the1-2 second animation. Prefer some cc anyday. If its the spear shards your talking about, sure that move is great, but its dps isnt high at all, its the aoe/synergy/ single stun that makes it valuable.

have you played this combo and are concerned about balance or do you just see other people casting the move and make a complaint thread? it seems the latter. where have you seen this "GOD" combo? unless its vet zone/vet-dungeon or cryodiil, I suggest saving your judgment until you have some more experience.

Chrisu

I really don't get people saying the Templar is weak in Veteran content. I have a Templar and recently hit VR10.
Since about VR3-4 I was always doing quests 2 ranks above mine. I'm using 6 light + heavy chest for aesthetics and a resto staff. Atribute points: 30 magicka and 19 health.

My skills for soloing are:
1. Biting Jabs (main damage source)
2. Rapid Regeneration (cast befor fight)
3. Honor the Dead (unfortunately bugged, better choose Breath of Life)
4. Volcanic Rune (for CC)
5. Combat Prayer (I rarely use this while soloing)
6. Empowering Sweep (cheap PBAoE Ultimate)

If possible start the fight with Empowering Sweep sneak attack (does about 1600-1700 damage to anyone in 5m range) else start with Volcanic Rune. Use Biting Jabs until Empowering Sweep is ready again (costs only 70 ult) and focus casters first. Don't forget to block heavy attacks.
With this setup you can easily solo public dungeons.

When you're facing boss mobs, use Eclipse for casters and Binding Javeline for the rest and any ranged damage ability.

Shaun98ca2

Strange this giant patch DIDNT fix Honor the Dead.

Wifeaggro13

Tarwin wrote: »

Meh, I just can't get into shooting bolts and fireballs from my fingers. I only like dragging my 2H and swinging it wildly while compensating for lack of DPS with survival heals.

LOL and the ridiculous hit boxes are not helping. half the time melee hits wont hit a boss even if your right on top of them. the big ones are even worse.

Toophat82

You do realize that people do this with every class they find best few moves to use and stick with them over and over. So no matter if its 2 moves or a rotation it happens with every class not just Templars. So what I'm wondering is why do you care so much about how others choose to play their game I mean really its not like you have to do it as well. Plus no matter what they change or nerf people will look for next best moves or rotation to use so it sounds more like your problem then it is a problem for everyone in my opinion. ( I hope they don't go nerfing off topics like this because this topic proves nothing and only paints a clear picture that some people should play their game instead of worrying about how someone else plays their game )

Chrisu

I take back what I said before Biting Jabs is horrible now. I think I'll have to respec. It's a shame, I really enjoyed combat with Biting Jabs.

Edit: Just read that they'll change it back and increase the cost instead. I hope it doesn't take long, because my current build is quite useless against 3 or more mobs without Biting Jabs.

Nicko_Lps

S1D3FX wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

thilog wrote: »

Forget all the dps side for a sec.. templars are healers. The only healers. If you put everything into dps.. then you're just another melee. How exactly do you plan to heal your group or fellow players?

Oh.. sorry.. I thought maybe you were a team player.

I hope you are jking.

If you trully think:

1) Templars are the only healers in the game.

2) Templars are usually healers.

Then you should play more and understand how the game works and what builds players are using.

/agree

Whoever has a resto and uses healing springs is not a healer... A player that reflects back all damage 5people do and he has an instant 1k heal if he wants is what ruins the pvp they spam 3skills and thats it its rediqulus . If they get u without stamina with jabs u stand still untill u die class that takes skill.. Sorcs have to streak curse crush shok use shields and execute nbs have to spam swallow soul criple crasp and impale templars? 2 buttons cause they were crying for 5 months. healers are healers they are not dpsing healers when and in what game u saw a healer taking down 10 people in pvp solo.

All the crying templars did on forums made them this way and got dk nerfed to hell, dks needed to be nerfed but not that... Also nightblades fear skill... Constant spamming of the only unblockable CC in the game. Why my all other classes cc are blockable?

If that thing goes on with the op crying templars THAT ARE STILL COMPLAINING i think u gonna be left alone in this game YOU AND THE CYRODIIL LAG. You learned the trick. Cry+cry+cry=Buff up
Afterall templars dont need any other class in the game, they tank they heal they dps. I think they only miss an execute skill but this one must be against ALL low health targets, cyrodiil keep walls included.
all for the 5 months crying templar.

I like this game very much but i cant enjoy anymore If next month at the end cyrodiil and impbalances are not fixed theres no way for me to keep playing this,enough.

Nightreaver

Not sure what class you play but I want your Raise dead ability.
Being able to Resurrect a thread that's been dead for over four months is quite impressive.

Khivas_Carrick

I think that guy's a little over-angry lol Templars are not that OP in PvP and we are barely on par if that in PvE. PvPers and PvEers really need to remember that there are two halves to the game and they need to be balanced in their own right before the entire whole is balanced.

Nicko_Lps

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Im a templar and completely disagree with this. If by sun lance he means the first spear ability that hits 4 times and knock-back single target? are you kidding me? its ok, for pre-vet pve, otherwise its garbage. In pvp people just block it and you wast magica, in vet the damage output for magica cost is meh, and even though its instant cast its essentially channeled because everyone can hit you during the1-2 second animation. Prefer some cc anyday. If its the spear shards your talking about, sure that move is great, but its dps isnt high at all, its the aoe/synergy/ single stun that makes it valuable.

have you played this combo and are concerned about balance or do you just see other people casting the move and make a complaint thread? it seems the latter. where have you seen this "GOD" combo? unless its vet zone/vet-dungeon or cryodiil, I suggest saving your judgment until you have some more experience.

Go in eu trials record time and look what is the dps ers templars nbs and 1 dk,tank for sure.

That means you have no idea how to play your class to do dps,they do learn urself how to play.

I dont care about anyones OPness on pve but on pvp its annoying, 6 player vs 1 templar and btw there are templars that i can kill along with their dk nb ans sorc players all together because they dont know how to play.

I can die really easy with my dk or my nb no matter how good i am i cant bealive a shield that reflects back damage in aoe and the caster stays untouchet!!! Its rediculus as the whole pvp start to be. This game runs down to its selfdestruction.

Tankqull

<rolling on floor laughing> a DK crying about overpowered templars?

Butcherboy

Wow, thanks man. I needed a good laugh. That was great. Thanks for stopping by!