Game is unplayable as sorc now

Derra

If an enemy allows you to use mines you´ve found an idiot that just killed themself.

A smart stamina melee opponent walks away from a sorc trying to minecamp. Also lightweight trap is a great mine counter.

Magica opponents harness => mistform the mines gaining magica in the process while draining the sorcs magica from mine recasts.

Sweetpea704

One of the best PVP buddies of mine plays a mag sorc. He does great. It just isn't true that sorc are dead or that light armor is dead. Sorry.

Derra

Sweetpea704 wrote: »

One of the best PVP buddies of mine plays a mag sorc. He does great. It just isn't true that sorc are dead or that light armor is dead. Sorry.

Sorc is the only class where i still see people make light armor builds work (excluding 16+ highly organized grps). Light armor definetly needs some help on magblade, templar and DK to be a vaible choice in pvp imho.

Icarus42

Light armor in Cyrodiil you say?




https://youtu.be/zvAHaz_0gP0

Icarus42

I think not.

Waffennacht

Derra wrote: »

If an enemy allows you to use mines you´ve found an idiot that just killed themself.

A smart stamina melee opponent walks away from a sorc trying to minecamp. Also lightweight trap is a great mine counter.

Magica opponents harness => mistform the mines gaining magica in the process while draining the sorcs magica from mine recasts.

Well in duels you can pre cast mines.

Typically I recast mines whike they are doing exactly as you say. They charge in pop one, I re cast, they are no longer immobilized, mines ready.

It's a gamble for the charger, sometimes you can get through mines, but if RNG crits you with Curse and Wrath you may find yourself dead.

No move is great against everything, that would be OP. Mines, however, can really disrupt NBs and some DKs. Temps, range, or Sorcs aren't too effected. That's not a reason to not slot it.

Just like SA, a good player has a counter, but the other 70% of the base doesn't. Why not slot an auto win on 70% just because it's ineffective on the other 30%?

I have re fallen in love with my Sorc. Plus mines help Guardian land.

Sublime

My opinion on sorc vs Cyrodiil (i.e. heavy armor proc builds):

In 1v1, 1vX it can be really hard to sustain/avoid getting oneshot by procs.

In a group of 2-3 sorcs and a healer, you can basically pop them like soap bubbles with curse+destro ult.
And the procs are sustainable with counterpressure from Infernal Guardian combined with shieldstacking and a healer.

DannyLV702

Derra wrote: »

If an enemy allows you to use mines you´ve found an idiot that just killed themself.

A smart stamina melee opponent walks away from a sorc trying to minecamp. Also lightweight trap is a great mine counter.

Magica opponents harness => mistform the mines gaining magica in the process while draining the sorcs magica from mine recasts.

If we're dueling, then walking away would result in a forfeit for him.

Waffennacht

Are people starting to realize how good infernal guardian is? Ive been promoting this underrated set from day 1, it's very good on da sorc

Brrrofski

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Sounds like an L2P issue. Mines hump. mines hump. mines hump. If you aren't doing this, you have no one to blame but yourself.

THIS. Ever since 1T dropped, I've been playing with only my magic sorc. I get sooooooo much salt for using my mines it's unreal. Just a few hours ago, I was dueling a stam sorc with heavy armor, SnB and tremor. He lost to me twice, and had the audacity to call me a [SNIP] in area chat for using my mines to keep distance from him. He probably had viper too but since he couldn't kill me I will never know.

Long story short, as long as you're not lagging, magic sorc still rocks. Only lag makes me not want to play because that fraction of a second where I can't break free, I die to the stam meta burst.

Man, a lot of people get salty over it. One of my guildies duels on his magica sorc a lot and the amount of people who give him crap for mines is a joke. I honestly don't care if they use them, but I will have to use defensive posture in that case.

Derra

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

If an enemy allows you to use mines you´ve found an idiot that just killed themself.

A smart stamina melee opponent walks away from a sorc trying to minecamp. Also lightweight trap is a great mine counter.

Magica opponents harness => mistform the mines gaining magica in the process while draining the sorcs magica from mine recasts.

Well in duels you can pre cast mines.

Typically I recast mines whike they are doing exactly as you say. They charge in pop one, I re cast, they are no longer immobilized, mines ready.

It's a gamble for the charger, sometimes you can get through mines, but if RNG crits you with Curse and Wrath you may find yourself dead.

No move is great against everything, that would be OP. Mines, however, can really disrupt NBs and some DKs. Temps, range, or Sorcs aren't too effected. That's not a reason to not slot it.

Just like SA, a good player has a counter, but the other 70% of the base doesn't. Why not slot an auto win on 70% just because it's ineffective on the other 30%?

I have re fallen in love with my Sorc. Plus mines help Guardian land.

Dueling is an entirely different beast. Mobility has no importance there. Outranging is not possible aswell. For dueling a properly built petsorc will probably wreak havoc to any possible opponent with littel chance of them winning.

However in open world a sorc with mines is just a sitting duck. If you play the game of charging into mines without being able to 100% counter them - you´ve lost. The counter is walking away and not falling for bait. A sorc can not pressure an opponent walking away from them without exposing themselves since shields got changed.

I sometimes use them from overload bar. Most of the time i don´t because they´re a dead slot against opponents where it matters the most. Actual good players. I´m killing scrubs without mines.

Edit: Don´t get me wrong. If i duel the right spec of melee opponent without mines and without utilizing mobility (which for some reason is considered not fair in "duels") i don´t stand a chance.
Some people seem to mistake a sorc staying out of gapcloser/melee range and attacking them as cheese instead of good play though and top that off by starting duels in melee/gapclose range.

Lord-Otto

Waffennacht wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

If an enemy allows you to use mines you´ve found an idiot that just killed themself.

A smart stamina melee opponent walks away from a sorc trying to minecamp. Also lightweight trap is a great mine counter.

Magica opponents harness => mistform the mines gaining magica in the process while draining the sorcs magica from mine recasts.

Well in duels you can pre cast mines.

Typically I recast mines whike they are doing exactly as you say. They charge in pop one, I re cast, they are no longer immobilized, mines ready.

It's a gamble for the charger, sometimes you can get through mines, but if RNG crits you with Curse and Wrath you may find yourself dead.

No move is great against everything, that would be OP. Mines, however, can really disrupt NBs and some DKs. Temps, range, or Sorcs aren't too effected. That's not a reason to not slot it.

Just like SA, a good player has a counter, but the other 70% of the base doesn't. Why not slot an auto win on 70% just because it's ineffective on the other 30%?

I have re fallen in love with my Sorc. Plus mines help Guardian land.

Cyrodiil isn't all duels, however. I find mines absolutely crucial to have a little counter to stambuilds, but this is exactly the sorcs downfall, as mines are immobile. When the groups are moving, you're either a sitting duck in your mines or you are burning through your resources and losing rangedd dps trying to re-cast them in proper place. frankly, sorcs would benefit greatly from dark Souls' Crystal Homing Soul Mass, only balanced for ESO combat, of course.

strikeback1247

Ah I remember when these threads first started popping up back when magsorcs FINALLY got nerfed. Sweet sorc tears... good memories...

Lord-Otto

strikeback1247 wrote: »

Ah I remember when these threads first started popping up back when magsorcs FINALLY got nerfed. Sweet sorc tears... good memories...

In the meantime, rollblades were unkillable in 1.6 with vastly superior champion stars, d-pots got nerfed with IC, which was also a gankblade paradise. Bombblades dominated in the VD era, stamblades were doing unsurprisingly well in the stam meta and are now oneshot machines in the proc meta.
While sorcs have received nothing but nerfs ever since 1.6.
Pardon us if we feel a bit troebeled.

Morvane

Minalan wrote: »

My question now is, where's my breath of life?

its in daedric summon tree, named as twilight matriarch