Game is unplayable as sorc now

RoamingRiverElk

It would be nice not to have to use resto staff on a dk for selfhealing, or having to slot a stamina gap closer to have a working gap closer, or to slot a destro staff for some ranged damage. And then sorcs complain about having to use destro... Sure it would be nice to have more options, but it's not the end of the world.

bardx86

Tried multi-able builds even went back to using a staff. Still not very good. Sure I can get some kills but skill has been removed to some extent. Its just a stun to death game now. one bash, interrupt or cc and its lights out, can't fight back. Don't even get me started on fear. All a NB has to do now is SA to fear and the next hit kills you, no way to fight back.

Lokey0024

Minalan wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Exploding pets. I swear this world be awesome and agood replacement for inevitable det being nerfed

I think we should do this with 'volatile familiar'. Send the pet in and it explodes for AOE if killed. I would use this pet, and I hate pets.

Hibbou wrote: »

people still complaining really need to reroll or adapt... I encountered a lot of sorcs that kicked my ass even if I had the advantage of the first burst

I never have problems killing sorcs, but then I am one. I know how to time my frags to stun 4-5 seconds into a shield. I know how to time the curse so that it hits when he's stunned with shields down and eating a meteor or a light overload for the instant kill.

I know how to keep up pressure on a sorc, forcing him to block and shield to spend that precious green stamina, then line up for the CC he can't break for the win.

It's not hard. Sometimes I lose, when the RNG gods give him MANY more frag procs, and deny them to me. But for the most part, it's squish.

Was thinking the pet could have a 30 second duration or when cast again it blows up for burst dmg on target. Most sorcs i watched ran inev. det and timed burst around it. This could being that back, making sorcs op AF again lol

I like the patch so far. My concern is there its to much healing and to much damage flying around to make many builds viable. Takes most strat out of fighting and more spamming 1 button on the same target as the next guy.

Bramir

My NB who was V2 before the update is suddenly significantly stronger than my sorcerer despite wearing some seriously patched together gear sets (Fury and Night's silence), the fact that I probably have only about 10% of the playtime on that character as on my sorcerer, and an un-maxed weapon skill line for bow. He doesn't even have fighter's guild maxed...apparently doesn't need it!

blimsta

This game reminds me of wow when the death night came out. I was trying to make this same point and people kept saying I was wrong just as theydo here. So i make a death night and proved my point and stopped playing the game.

My point is I didnt play the game after that because it sucked and so does this game if I cant play a casting class. Only reason why im personly so pissed about it is because I didnt get the chance to lvl up before the 3-4 nurfs came into play but I had already payed alot of money and dont forget time, you know the one thing you will never get back.

I hope this game does die and they change noting, at least I can enjoy something about it.

Izaki

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Berenhir

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

18k Healing Ward? Pics or it didn't happen!

Jsmalls

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Shhh don't let them know, they are about to buff us next update.

Gilvoth

Minalan wrote: »

Nightblades cloak.

that is incorrect, you sorc has a MASSIVE ring around you that pulls us nighblades out of cloak, you constantly pull us out of cloak. infact i now simply dont use cloak when im caught.
i just =try to fight you face to face toe to toe and magicka allways wins in that case so yeah. theres that, we dont have the cloak you claim we have, cloak is only good for traveling.

xericdx

The big ring around sorc is the one for stamina sorc

Having said that, altough I agree that sorc might need some love, I personally still main with my magicka sorca and having a lot of fun with it

Mayrael

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Yeah... And one DK, sorc or even NB with some unblockable CCs can burn your stamina to the stage when you wont be able to refresh your shield fast enough. And with current velidreth/slenes + red mountain + viper its just a blink of an eye to burn through shields and finish you with incap or DoS. How much hp and impenetrable you have? Maybe some other stats? Mag regen? Spell power? Skills? Reaching 50k magica isnt hard, but what then? When you have half of your tools away how will you kill reflecting dk or roll dodging any stam toon?

WuffyCerulei

Mag sorcs aren't dead, my dudes : D Just gotta learn how to play without being shield stackers.

Elara_Northwind

I have gone back to playing my sorcerer due to everybody suddenly switching to magicka templar and making my class look bad I heard that sorcerers were having a bad time, and back when everybody said this about Templars I thought everybody was mad and I loved the challenge of making it work, but with Sorcerer, there was no challenge. I think everybody moaning about Templars right now must be crazy because the damage and survivability of my sorcerer is equal, if not better, than my Templar. The only thing I get frustrated with on my sorcerer is how so many skills have to be slotted on both bars...

Mayrael

Oh sorc in Cyrodiil is far from being dead. Its amazing and very dangerous class but when youll meet 1v1 equally experienced and equiped in BiS pvp gear stamina toon youll have very hard time to survive its proc burst and burn through 25k - 30k spell resists, 30k hp, perma block/& dodge supported by heals with major mending (dk and temp). Sorc is not dead and tbh is in very good position compared to other mag classes, at least can compete. Its the proc meta and death by armor are issue.

Edit: but on the other hand, I must say that without all that procing sheit killing a mag sorc would be pretty hard. Maybe we have all of this because of shield stackin mag sorcs?

Kelces

Travel to Cyrodiil, many sorcerers around there these days. I suggest, you observe what some of them are capable of.

Jsmalls

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Mag sorcs aren't dead, my dudes : D Just gotta learn how to play without being shield stackers.

Sorcerers don't fair well in heavy armor, they don't have anything that plays nice with it... Our shields aren't buffed from the 8% healing, we're usually tied to a healing ward resto for heals.

And our spells are expensive and need to constantly be reapplied because unless you sacrifice your Magicka pool on top of that penetration from light armor your health is still only 25k~ which can still be burst.

And if you do go the higher health route... Well you'll be hitting like a wet noodle.

Shield stacking is our ONLY option, in fact I have a build that substitutes direct heals for large shields, and in my opinion its my most effective build for my Magicka Sorc, and I've been playing this class since console release.

It's very hard to make a heavy armor Sorc viable without insane recovery. And if you have high recovery you've sacrificed a lot of damage.

I do have a heavy armor build for this coming update though that looks promising, hears to hoping!

Brrrofski

Amberplasm is amazing for a magica sorc. Been using it and it's great. 1050 stam regen on top of all roubd good magica recovery, max magica and spell damage is awesome. I can run shuffle and dodge roll often without any stam issue.

STEVIL

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Cant believe developers can look at the state of classes and say, yeah there pretty much all in line now.

IIRC U13 is to be a balance based update per ZOS so... i dont think they are saying that thing you cant believe they said.

Not sure myself what they said about the moon landings - fact or fiction.

GideonxJura

Good, about time you play a class that doesn't rely on hanging back for the cheap kills.

tigerborn62

SadieJoan wrote: »

I have gone back to playing my sorcerer due to everybody suddenly switching to magicka templar and making my class look bad I heard that sorcerers were having a bad time, and back when everybody said this about Templars I thought everybody was mad and I loved the challenge of making it work, but with Sorcerer, there was no challenge. I think everybody moaning about Templars right now must be crazy because the damage and survivability of my sorcerer is equal, if not better, than my Templar. The only thing I get frustrated with on my sorcerer is how so many skills have to be slotted on both bars...

What is your build like? Any details would be appreciated by this die hard sorc.

Izaki

Mayrael wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Yeah... And one DK, sorc or even NB with some unblockable CCs can burn your stamina to the stage when you wont be able to refresh your shield fast enough. And with current velidreth/slenes + red mountain + viper its just a blink of an eye to burn through shields and finish you with incap or DoS. How much hp and impenetrable you have? Maybe some other stats? Mag regen? Spell power? Skills? Reaching 50k magica isnt hard, but what then? When you have half of your tools away how will you kill reflecting dk or roll dodging any stam toon?

25k health, 50k magicka, 3.2k spell damage, 3700 magicka recovery when I go below 33%. 4 impen, 3 divines a few points into Resistant (like 10 or something like that). So obviously I'm running Lich. I can manage my stamina just fine every 6 seconds, I can break free no problem even though my stam recovery is REALLY low. Tri-Stat potions. Bi-Stat food. Might switch it for the new recovery+magicka+health food from Witches festival.

My skills are also fine thanks. Frags, Endless Fury, Curse, Inner light, Entropy on DW bar and Mines, Streak, Hardened Ward, Dampen Magic and Healing ward on Resto bar. Front bar ultimate is Overload, back bar is either Negate, Shooting Star or Soul Assault depending on my mood. If I'm in open world and in a group I don't use Mines instead I slot bound aegis on both bars and take off entropy for inner light (=50k magicka) and use Spell Power potions. If I'm in small scale solo I'm down to 47-48k magicka and have the set-up I listed above.

I can manage reflecting DKs just fine. All you have to do is CC them + Soul Assault or Meteor or Negate them and time your Frag. Most of the time I ignore them completely in open world cause they just don't have enough damage to kill me (#buffmagDK). Why on earth would you waste your stamina roll dodging?! You have huge shields. Stamina is only for breaking free and the occasional block of a Meteor. How do you kill a roll dodging stamina toon? You let them roll dodge inside your Mines in a duel or small scale. In open world you let them go offensive and make them tunnel vision you, while you nicely place your combo. You place a curse and a fury on them at all times and when they gap close or when they start charging up the Dizzy Swing, you frag them to the face. Either they are dead or they have to roll dodge and heal, meaning they are on the defensive. Sorcerers are very hard to play and it takes time to find what works for you. Or I do the trick I listed above with Overload.

EDIT: by the way, I'm not claiming to be the best sorcerer ever with the perfect build or anything. There are people much much better than me like say QAM. That guy though, he knows how to play sorc for real.

Izaki

jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Shhh don't let them know, they are about to buff us next update.

Hehehe I realized my mistake. I'm not telling anyone the actual build don't worry :P Even if I did, most people would look at me like wtf am I doing? Plus apparently dual wield is no longer viable, so no worries we'll still get our buffs next patch!

Izaki

Berenhir wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

18k Healing Ward? Pics or it didn't happen!

I did say 14k on the tooltip... Yeah sure I'll upload a pic. But its not THAT impressive.



By the way you guys know there's a build editor that can show you your tooltips and all your stats? Check out Sorcerer Arithmagic, its down at the bottom. Great for theory crafting.

Mayrael

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

My tooltip on my hardened ward IN Cyrodiil is 14k... Add on 33% and that's a 18.5k shield. Then I sometimes also have Dampen Magic or Harness (I still can't make up my mind). Tooltip is around 13k... Add on 30% (cause 5 light armor pieces) and that's a 17k shield. All together? 35.5k shield for 6 seconds. Oh yeah and if I'm low health, I'll also pop a healing ward. So for 6 seconds I'm pretty much invincible and I don't even have to break free and can just wait it out depending on a situation. I can guarantee you I have never seen any stam build hit through those shields in a 1 or 2 hits. Sometimes I wonder why I still shield stack. Then again if you played sorc right then you'd know that stacking magicka helps. Yeah 49k max magicka does help a lot. Oh and also before you say that I run some weird niche build, yeah I do and I also run dual wield. Don't have too much trouble killing people and they most certainly have trouble killing me unless there's more than 4 of them. But I can take and kite 4 stamtards Dizzy Swinging me. Then I'd just go into Overload for my sweet 3rd bar and I'd use defensive rune and hard-cast a frag into an overload light attack for that really nice 30k instant damage while he's breaking free and can't dodge. Sorcerers are hard to play, deal with it and learn it. They have more than enough tools to be competitive.

PS: before you ask no I don't use Necropotence and a pet build.

Yeah... And one DK, sorc or even NB with some unblockable CCs can burn your stamina to the stage when you wont be able to refresh your shield fast enough. And with current velidreth/slenes + red mountain + viper its just a blink of an eye to burn through shields and finish you with incap or DoS. How much hp and impenetrable you have? Maybe some other stats? Mag regen? Spell power? Skills? Reaching 50k magica isnt hard, but what then? When you have half of your tools away how will you kill reflecting dk or roll dodging any stam toon?

25k health, 50k magicka, 3.2k spell damage, 3700 magicka recovery when I go below 33%. 4 impen, 3 divines a few points into Resistant (like 10 or something like that). So obviously I'm running Lich. I can manage my stamina just fine every 6 seconds, I can break free no problem even though my stam recovery is REALLY low. Tri-Stat potions. Bi-Stat food. Might switch it for the new recovery+magicka+health food from Witches festival.

My skills are also fine thanks. Frags, Endless Fury, Curse, Inner light, Entropy on DW bar and Mines, Streak, Hardened Ward, Dampen Magic and Healing ward on Resto bar. Front bar ultimate is Overload, back bar is either Negate, Shooting Star or Soul Assault depending on my mood. If I'm in open world and in a group I don't use Mines instead I slot bound aegis on both bars and take off entropy for inner light (=50k magicka) and use Spell Power potions. If I'm in small scale solo I'm down to 47-48k magicka and have the set-up I listed above.

I can manage reflecting DKs just fine. All you have to do is CC them + Soul Assault or Meteor or Negate them and time your Frag. Most of the time I ignore them completely in open world cause they just don't have enough damage to kill me (#buffmagDK). Why on earth would you waste your stamina roll dodging?! You have huge shields. Stamina is only for breaking free and the occasional block of a Meteor. How do you kill a roll dodging stamina toon? You let them roll dodge inside your Mines in a duel or small scale. In open world you let them go offensive and make them tunnel vision you, while you nicely place your combo. You place a curse and a fury on them at all times and when they gap close or when they start charging up the Dizzy Swing, you frag them to the face. Either they are dead or they have to roll dodge and heal, meaning they are on the defensive. Sorcerers are very hard to play and it takes time to find what works for you. Or I do the trick I listed above with Overload.

EDIT: by the way, I'm not claiming to be the best sorcerer ever with the perfect build or anything. There are people much much better than me like say QAM. That guy though, he knows how to play sorc for real.

I see it can work in some scenarios must be very explosive build there is no build to fight them all sure Ive played very simmilar build well... long time ago (warlock instead of lich, much less hp) but I found that lightning stave even though much weaker than dual wield is amazing tool vs almost anybody as poisons are mrrr less bursty but very nasty...

Elara_Northwind

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SadieJoan wrote: »

I have gone back to playing my sorcerer due to everybody suddenly switching to magicka templar and making my class look bad I heard that sorcerers were having a bad time, and back when everybody said this about Templars I thought everybody was mad and I loved the challenge of making it work, but with Sorcerer, there was no challenge. I think everybody moaning about Templars right now must be crazy because the damage and survivability of my sorcerer is equal, if not better, than my Templar. The only thing I get frustrated with on my sorcerer is how so many skills have to be slotted on both bars...

What is your build like? Any details would be appreciated by this die hard sorc.

My build relies on Rex He is always by my side!

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Drdeath20

Seriously people are having a hard time with a mag sorc?!?

Mayrael

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Seriously people are having a hard time with a mag sorc?!?

Believe me or not, its harder to learn how to setup burst combo of 2 or 3 delayed skills and survive in the same time burst of this green bears or sheitballs of velidreth than equipping 3 proc sets and wave someone to death. Exp player will do fine on any class, newbies will have a hard time playing mDK, mNB, mSorc in PvP. Rly jumping from my mSorc to Stamblade was like bike ride of the hill, sudenly I dont have to care about refreshing shield at least each 6s, remember to not cast curse again in next 3s, remember to cast each 4s endless furry, stay somewhere near minefield. I just needed equip my gear, cast two buffs 30 and 20seconds long and then just pew pew and animation cnancel smoothly.

Cozzy1991

Sounds like an L2P issue. Mines hump. mines hump. mines hump. If you aren't doing this, you have no one to blame but yourself.

covenant_merchant

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Sounds like an L2P issue. Mines hump. mines hump. mines hump. If you aren't doing this, you have no one to blame but yourself.

What a great and original idea. With a 4+k cost and spread-out damage that can be easily tanked by any heavy armor build, every sorc should definitely mine camp. Truly, you know a lot about this class, you glorious but unknown PvP player.

In all seriousness though, mines are useless, unless you're in a tight and closed space, and even then, people will just stay ranged to kill you. Chances are, by the time you reach your hiding spot behind rock/tree/w/e, you won't have enough magicka to keep on shielding and place mines.

At the moment, shade is a far better kiting skill that mines, given the general tankiness of your enemies, that will just shrug off their damage and keep on procfesting you.

DannyLV702

Cozzy1991 wrote: »

Sounds like an L2P issue. Mines hump. mines hump. mines hump. If you aren't doing this, you have no one to blame but yourself.

THIS. Ever since 1T dropped, I've been playing with only my magic sorc. I get sooooooo much salt for using my mines it's unreal. Just a few hours ago, I was dueling a stam sorc with heavy armor, SnB and tremor. He lost to me twice, and had the audacity to call me a [SNIP] in area chat for using my mines to keep distance from him. He probably had viper too but since he couldn't kill me I will never know.

Long story short, as long as you're not lagging, magic sorc still rocks. Only lag makes me not want to play because that fraction of a second where I can't break free, I die to the stam meta burst.