Game is unplayable as sorc now

AshTal

I have noticed the number of Sorcs in PvP drop by about 95% the number of night blades however has gone up a lot.

I agree that Sorcs got over nerfed, to deal with shield stacking they have made sorcs shields mostly worthless. If I see a NB go into stealth I would instantly put up a shield so I could survive his initial assault now all he has to do is wait 6 seconds and attack or wait for me to use all my mana as I recast every 6 seconds.

As a pretty poor PvPer I am not even that annoyed about this I could never get a 30K shield like some people could, and have found Sorcs are now just as crap as I am so its much easier for me to win. However when something is nerfed this hard I would expect something back. Now I am just getting ganked by NB after NB.

caeliusstarbreaker

Forgive my ignorance... But don't you have a hard counter to melee builds with mines... And arguably the best kiting ability?

Takes-No-Prisoner

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance... But don't you have a hard counter to melee builds with mines... And arguably the best kiting ability?

In PvP I usually don't see Sorcs using mines cept if he turtles up. They are really good against melee builds, but what shoos Sorcs from using them is the 1-2 seconds they take to 'arm' themselves. Now if you asked me, if i went into PvP with my Sorc, the first part of my rotation would be to place mines down in the event I saw a NB then pop a detect potion. Then on the off chance I see him, camp in my mines and harass him from afar with my magic. Forcing a NB to come to you is the best situation to be in. If he runs away, you both win.

exeeter702

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

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Burning_Talons

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

ToRelax

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance... But don't you have a hard counter to melee builds with mines... And arguably the best kiting ability?

In PvP I usually don't see Sorcs using mines cept if he turtles up. They are really good against melee builds, but what shoos Sorcs from using them is the 1-2 seconds they take to 'arm' themselves. Now if you asked me, if i went into PvP with my Sorc, the first part of my rotation would be to place mines down in the event I saw a NB then pop a detect potion. Then on the off chance I see him, camp in my mines and harass him from afar with my magic. Forcing a NB to come to you is the best situation to be in. If he runs away, you both win.

They cost a ton of magicka and don't actually protect you against incoming damage, nor do they add their damage to your burst unless an enemy runs straight into them at the wrong time. All stam builds can just gap close into them now, and when facing multiple opponents, they only really help when you can use the terrain to your advantage, like placing them between rocks or trees, since every mine can only hit a single target.
The arming time is not the problem, it's not difficult to survive those 3 seconds if you had enough magicka to spend it on Mines.

Waffennacht

ToRelax wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

Forgive my ignorance... But don't you have a hard counter to melee builds with mines... And arguably the best kiting ability?

In PvP I usually don't see Sorcs using mines cept if he turtles up. They are really good against melee builds, but what shoos Sorcs from using them is the 1-2 seconds they take to 'arm' themselves. Now if you asked me, if i went into PvP with my Sorc, the first part of my rotation would be to place mines down in the event I saw a NB then pop a detect potion. Then on the off chance I see him, camp in my mines and harass him from afar with my magic. Forcing a NB to come to you is the best situation to be in. If he runs away, you both win.

They cost a ton of magicka and don't actually protect you against incoming damage, nor do they add their damage to your burst unless an enemy runs straight into them at the wrong time. All stam builds can just gap close into them now, and when facing multiple opponents, they only really help when you can use the terrain to your advantage, like placing them between rocks or trees, since every mine can only hit a single target.
The arming time is not the problem, it's not difficult to survive those 3 seconds if you had enough magicka to spend it on Mines.

Agreed, a competent player wont hit mines unless he knows he can take it and still kill you.

I laugh at any player whom uses mines, (or Atro, or any stationary move) cuz im like "ok we'll play over here now..."

Or vice versa, I used mines and my opponent goes, "ok? You wanna fight? Come do it over by this Rock im LoSing..."

Bramir

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

HonourXL

they were too OP before. Now with the average experience they are not satisfied ofc.

Sandman929

I always love the "Templars can heal" argument...as though every Templar is a magicka based healer.

Sandman929

I've got 2 templars and neither of them could heal a paper cut.

Burning_Talons

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Bramir

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

Full health shield? You obviously have no idea what you are talking about, especially when it comes to PvP...

@Bramir I've seen sorcs who told me they could get a 17k sheild thats nearly full health with the builds sorcs run nowadayd l2p

Not in Cyrodil they can't...like heals, shields are at half strength in PvP. So for a fully geared, high magicka/spell damage sorcerer, their shield will just barely take one hit from a similar strength character. For those of us who haven't quite reached that pinnacle of gearedness, they are significantly weaker.

You should really make sure you know wtf you are talking about before throwing out the l2p trollbait...

Vaoh

The game is not unplayable as a Sorc.

They need major buffs and a massive class overhaul, but they are playable (though handicapped and boring).

Play another class for now until ZOS realizes they need to balance four classes instead of three!

Makkir

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

you dont have a sorc, its that obvious. The average sorc will have a 11k hardened ward in Cyrodill. On a yolo magicka build maybe 14k with bastion. I put about 77 pts into bastion with 45k magicka and mine shield is only 13k if that.

how many stam builds out there cant burst that 13-14k? Sounds like you cant.

Its the duration people are upset about, pvp and pve. Since most competent players can take a 14k shield down in a second or two anyway, it forces the sorc to literally do nothing but spam it with zero offensive output. We actually got stronger in regard to shield strength because annulment now also mitigates physical dmg, however not the point.

Ill leave your stupidity with another thought...how many classes and builds can maintain defenses while going on the offensive? BC right now a sorc cannot. ..we have some of the lowest dps as it is and now being forced to run impen on our gear is going to further nerf our dmg output (since those pieces used to be infused/divines).

Bramir

Doncellius wrote: »

The game is not unplayable as a Sorc.

They need major buffs and a massive class overhaul, but they are playable (though handicapped and boring).

Play another class for now until ZOS realizes they need to balance four classes instead of three!

Agreed. After trying 4-5 new builds on my sorcerer since the DB update, I am switching to my NB, who was V2 until a few days ago! Some of the builds were kind of fun to play (latest was the magicka tank using the Fasalla's set, which while marginally less squishy than magicka dps, isn't tanky enough to warrant the loss of damage and the effectiveness of Fasalla's is very hard to gauge), but not all that effective.

Minalan

Sandman929 wrote: »

I've got 2 templars and neither of them could heal a paper cut.

No, but they can Jesus beam to death anyone who DOES have a paper cut.

Templars are running around with capped resist, 35K health, Templar purge, and breath of life. They're doing okay now.

However, I don't think Templars should be nerfed, I think other classes should be improved to be on-par with them. Start with Magicka DK's and sorcs.

Archmage1

Sorcs are gimped and are the lowest DPS class in PvE and worst PvP class at the moment. They need a massive fix ZOS!

Dredlord

Ahzek wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

bardx86 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

DIE

He agrees with you ...

I however do not. Adapt.

I'd love to see a competitive pop build then.

I cant really recommend a magicka sorc build myself, since I have not touched that playstyle for plenty of time now, however @LegendaryMage is usually quite quick to make his build videos after a new update, and it shouldnt be too long till he releases his magicka sorc one.

Here is a sneak peak of what he can do with it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yug5EeZmNA

Note: That DK is one of the best duellers EU on one of the strongest duelling classes right now.

Come on now you aren't link pre-DB videos are you? That battle would have been over in the first CC in the current state.

Have you actually looked at the date ? That duel was actually fought yesterday. I know cause i was at the duel spot at the same time.

Of course he didnt hes a sorc...

He doesnt need truth or evidence to support his bs.

Sorc is fine, they have had it so brain dead easy for so long they think its a god given right to be OP.

Lokey0024

They need another dps option. The shield is fine. If you bitching about impen gear, Welcome to the game. The rest of us have been here for a while so catch up.

Burning_Talons

Makkir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

you dont have a sorc, its that obvious. The average sorc will have a 11k hardened ward in Cyrodill. On a yolo magicka build maybe 14k with bastion. I put about 77 pts into bastion with 45k magicka and mine shield is only 13k if that.

how many stam builds out there cant burst that 13-14k? Sounds like you cant.

Its the duration people are upset about, pvp and pve. Since most competent players can take a 14k shield down in a second or two anyway, it forces the sorc to literally do nothing but spam it with zero offensive output. We actually got stronger in regard to shield strength because annulment now also mitigates physical dmg, however not the point.

Ill leave your stupidity with another thought...how many classes and builds can maintain defenses while going on the offensive? BC right now a sorc cannot. ..we have some of the lowest dps as it is and now being forced to run impen on our gear is going to further nerf our dmg output (since those pieces used to be infused/divines).

@Makkir Throw in a harness and you got full health. As you said shields are usually busted through in seconds so why does duration matter? No class except Sorcs were able to do crazy dmg and also tank it. You terribad sorcs are use to be almighty and as soon as you get nerfed its the end times. And now you also have other defenses as stated above. Everyone else runs impen and now you arent a special snowflake anymore do you cry. L2P

Xsorus

Minalan wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

Ball lightning, and mines are your anti range and melee abilities if ya ignore shields. if you think you got it rough you're welcome to run a magicka dk out in pvp. See how much those scales save you vs having an actual escape mechanic

An 'escape mechanic' that roots you for half a second at the end JUST to make sure EVERYONE has a chance to hit their gap closer... Doesn't sound like much of an escape does it? It allows you to reposition at best, and wait a half second for the next gap closer to land.

Mines? Most people just plough through one and take the 4-5K damage from one. Less if they have capped spell damage, and mines cost a huge amount of mana.

Yay! My sorc can run away! That's my special power! I'll make emperor with that!

Streak is a glorified gap closer with a negligible amount of damage. Try again.

If you don't think bolt escape is an actual escape don't put it on your bar; see how much you escape without it. If you're having trouble escaping with the actual best escape mechanic in the game it's not the class; its you...

Mines is anti melee and a staple of every magicka sorc build because of the amount of damage they do. Also streak isn't a glorified gap closer; and it's not used for its damage.. It's used to set up your burst..... Might I suggest going to watch virtually every decent sorc players gameplay video and see the same exact setup they all use and the exact rotation they generally follow to do that burst.

holosoul

@Xsorus Bolt escape might be the best escape, but gap closers are better; it also roots you and runs you to 0 magicka so you die anyway if you're chased. Yes, sometimes it works, but only if your opponent is bad or a templar. The assumption if you're escaping is that you already lost, and your opponent is either better than you or stronger than you, so in the general case you're probably not getting away if you try to use bolt escape.

To make bolt escape work, you basically have to be in a defensible position and then use it before you're attacked pro-actively. An out of position sorc is a dead sorc, as you probably know since I'm sure you have killed sorcs before.

Mines got nerfed hard with the change to charge ignoring them, we could use them to stop people from jumping onto us, now we can't. You can now charge through mines as of DB and last patch it wasn't that way. They're still decent damage, you'll mostly see them used in 1v1 duels and by players who like to run around rocks in group play.

Xsorus

holosoul wrote: »

@Xsorus Bolt escape might be the best escape, but gap closers are better; it also roots you and runs you to 0 magicka so you die anyway if you're chased. Yes, sometimes it works, but only if your opponent is bad or a templar. The assumption if you're escaping is that you already lost, and your opponent is either better than you or stronger than you, so in the general case you're probably not getting away if you try to use bolt escape.

To make bolt escape work, you basically have to be in a defensible position and then use it before you're attacked pro-actively. An out of position sorc is a dead sorc, as you probably know since I'm sure you have killed sorcs before.

Mines got nerfed hard with the change to charge ignoring them, we could use them to stop people from jumping onto us, now we can't. You can now charge through mines as of DB and last patch it wasn't that way. They're still decent damage, you'll mostly see them used in 1v1 duels and by players who like to run around rocks in group play.

If you're bolt escaping in one direction you deserve to die to gap closers. Let me guess; you're that sorc I see eating crit charge over and over instead of turning and bolt escaping through the target or bolt escaping toward a LOS object. Also running isn't an assumption of losing; it's called kiting or extending and it's a staple of pvp tactics since DAOC. Hell I'll link you a video right now if you want of a stealther in DAOC who would kite via bridges to gain advantage in pvp. Hell I would actively use it on my Valkyrie to gain advantage via healing in DAOC. Or if you want you can watch Sypher or virtually any other 1vx player in this game kite and use terrain to spread out players to gain the upper hand.

In other words kiting is not losing... And you see mines used by virtually ever sorc magicka build in pvp... So I don't know how you think it's only used by duelers.... If you're not using mines then that is something you need to correct.

holosoul

There is no direction you can bolt escape to prevent a gap closer being cast, gap closers have a longer range than streak and streak roots you after you cast it ... Since it only goes in a straight line you couldn't possibly bolt escape into a place that your opponent couldn't gap close to while you're rooted.
Yes, your chances of escaping are better if you streak through your opponent, but a skilled player will still gap close it.

Adiedbyrac

I want to play a magsorc, but any other class is better (except for stamsorc? GJ). Time to play a different game where I can actually play class I want to play, although ESO presents itself as

You are more than your class. Pick up and use any weapon, any armor, and choose from an enormous selection of spells and abilities to customize your fighting style—no matter which class you select. Create exactly the hero you envision, try out new abilities, and change out your skills anywhere to adapt to new threats. You’re in control of your character’s fate.

Haha

NolaArch

No.

Hibbou

Makkir wrote: »

Burning_Talons wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

They made our shield into a six second damage sponge, to bring it more in line with stam dodge roll and block.

Fair enough. My question now is, where's my breath of life, cloak, or scales?

Stam builds don't just depend on dodge roll to survive. Templars heal to full. Nightblades cloak. And DK's can reflect any projectile. What can sorcs do?

Nothing.

What do sorcs have?
Umm a full health sheild, mines, defensive rune, streak, a 3rd bar. L2P

you dont have a sorc, its that obvious. The average sorc will have a 11k hardened ward in Cyrodill. On a yolo magicka build maybe 14k with bastion. I put about 77 pts into bastion with 45k magicka and mine shield is only 13k if that.

how many stam builds out there cant burst that 13-14k? Sounds like you cant.

Its the duration people are upset about, pvp and pve. Since most competent players can take a 14k shield down in a second or two anyway, it forces the sorc to literally do nothing but spam it with zero offensive output. We actually got stronger in regard to shield strength because annulment now also mitigates physical dmg, however not the point.

Ill leave your stupidity with another thought...how many classes and builds can maintain defenses while going on the offensive? BC right now a sorc cannot. ..we have some of the lowest dps as it is and now being forced to run impen on our gear is going to further nerf our dmg output (since those pieces used to be infused/divines).

so.. first of, NB cloack is a non subject: it last 3 seconds, not 6, nor 20, and you pop out of it to every AOE (80% if not 90 from every other classes attack)

secondly 11 to 14k shield, tell me, is there a cooldown on it? no, so you can have 11 to 14k "extra health, that can be reloaded as much as you want every 6 seconds, and you can't crit it? my SA does 3 to 5k non crit, 3-4 hits

"oooh it consumes all our magicka", it would be the height if it were free

"how many classes and builds can maintain defenses while going on the offensive?" answer is none, maybe tank DK, but still, when I am low on health do you think I pop a magic shield keep on hitting you like a truck while almost instantly getting my full health back? you were maybe to busy playing god to notice that sorcs could do that befor DB

"and now being forced to run impen on our gear is going to further nerf our dmg output" OMG poor you, you have to play with impen? and put a few points into health? it must be hard to fall all the way down to the common other players.

have a lovely day

Mojmir

LOL

WuffyCerulei

Don't need to stack bubbles to play as a magicka sorc. I use Boundless storm more than any of the bubbles. On a destro staff, I have Destructive Reach, Crushing pulse, Boundless Storm, Summon Clannfear(for heals, and pets got a good buff), and Crystal Fragments. I focus on single target damage rather than hide in a bubble. A lot.