Will poisons ruin smallscale?

covenant_merchant

While smallscale is already difficult to come by nowadays, what will happen to it with the poisons increasing costs of mana/stam abilities by 60 freaking %? I mean imagine fighting alone a group of 5+ guys (though there are more like 10+ usually), with one or two usual bowtards in the mix. And now try managing your resources if they stack poisons on you.
Has anyone tried 1vX'ing on PTS, and can give me some insight into this? As someone who usually plays solo, I'm really really dreading that change.

InvitationNotFound

bowtards. i like that term.

llSRRll

Why is traveling in groups frowned upon so much in this game???

itzeffect

llSRRll wrote: »

Why is traveling in groups frowned upon so much in this game???

beacuase there is no skill in taking down 1 person with your 10man all spamming aoes crashing the server

llSRRll

itzeffect wrote: »

llSRRll wrote: »

Why is traveling in groups frowned upon so much in this game???

beacuase there is no skill in taking down 1 person with your 10man all spamming aoes crashing the server

Well get some friends to group up with, why does everyone think they are Rambo smh?

EsoRecon

Probably 60% is insane

magictucktuck

I think a lot of people won't apply poisons in zergs as they run out of charges fast they will use them for smaller scales stuff so if the small group is using them the Zerg wbo are just spamming skills and not watching resources will get pooped on.... Well at least in a perfect world.

LizardThixvim

small scale and 1vx is completely ruined with poisons, 1 single player vs 4-6 other players and say these 4-6 players are using their own poisons and all hitting you

So you have 1st player) 60% magicka cost increase, 2nd player) 60% stamina cost increase, 3rd player) reduced armor, 4th player) reduced spell resistance, 5th player) reduced healing, 6th player) reduced damage

each player of them 6 are adding a debuff onto you with their own poisons

RIP any type of small scale in this game now

Lokey0024

You must spam light attack to victory!

O.o

covenant_merchant

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

small scale and 1vx is completely ruined with poisons, 1 single player vs 4-6 other players and say these 4-6 players are using their own poisons and all hitting you

So you have 1st player) 60% magicka cost increase, 2nd player) 60% stamina cost increase, 3rd player) reduced armor, 4th player) reduced spell resistance, 5th player) reduced healing, 6th player) reduced damage

each player of them 6 are adding a debuff onto you with their own poisons

RIP any type of small scale in this game now

Yeah this is exactly what I thought as well, and now I'm not sure whether ESO is worth investing time in anymore. I'll wait till the patch goes live at least, but I don't think PVP will work out for me at all.

As for the "Rambo" comment, well yes I do believe that there is more skill involved when you fight outnumbered. It doesn't mean you'll win everytime, but this poisons' implementation will pretty much ruin any chance you have at it.
And I loved to play in small groups with my friends. Unfortunately most quit this game, and now I'm beginning to understand why.

Waffennacht

Well 1 v 2 (or more) good players usually means death anyway.

1 v X less skilled players will become difficult I imagine.

With burst builds combat doesn't last too long. It will be very interesting indeed. I see most just running stam reduction, it makes the lethal CC occur.

Derra

Yes (not that there is much left to ruin though).

Master_Kas

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

small scale and 1vx is completely ruined with poisons, 1 single player vs 4-6 other players and say these 4-6 players are using their own poisons and all hitting you

So you have 1st player) 60% magicka cost increase, 2nd player) 60% stamina cost increase, 3rd player) reduced armor, 4th player) reduced spell resistance, 5th player) reduced healing, 6th player) reduced damage

each player of them 6 are adding a debuff onto you with their own poisons

RIP any type of small scale in this game now

And because of that, my Zergsurfing jesusbeaming AD templar is born.

Still not decided if I should keep the name MR JESUSBEAM or make a new one named Zergplar

Topic.

These poisons should never have been added, except perhaps in PvE where skyrim legolas players can use their poisons. Oh well

outsideworld76

Ooh yes, poison will be on my bow

Moglijuana

Master_Kas wrote: »

Casts_Many_Heals wrote: »

small scale and 1vx is completely ruined with poisons, 1 single player vs 4-6 other players and say these 4-6 players are using their own poisons and all hitting you

So you have 1st player) 60% magicka cost increase, 2nd player) 60% stamina cost increase, 3rd player) reduced armor, 4th player) reduced spell resistance, 5th player) reduced healing, 6th player) reduced damage

each player of them 6 are adding a debuff onto you with their own poisons

RIP any type of small scale in this game now

And because of that, my Zergsurfing jesusbeaming AD templar is born.

Still not decided if I should keep the name MR JESUSBEAM or make a new one named Zergplar

Topic.

These poisons should never have been added, except perhaps in PvE where skyrim legolas players can use their poisons. Oh well

lol. +1

covenant_merchant

@Master_Kas skyrim legolas players xD That's so spot on, though I bet you were one too.

I've actually tried playing with two friends today, and naturally we got tryharded like crazy even in Haderus sewers by some well-known French raid leader wannabees. The resemblance spread even to the "camping in stealth for ages with 15 people" part.
And I happen to know for a fact that those despicable people, who also happen to be guildies, will use poisons, and will enjoy killing every single smallscaler they will find, because it showcases their skill and "awesome group play" (since you know it will involve coordination to stack different poisons, refresh their duration yadda, yadda. At that point, I rage quitted their TS and went to drink some bleach).

Point remains this is the direction where ESO is going, just catering to zerging casuals, which is not a bad thing per se and I have nothing against them, but it will deprive every player who tries to find a challenge of any chances at said challenge. Yes, they bring in the most revenue and form the target audience, but goddamit I want to be able to have fun without having to zerg people down.
This might be considered entitlement, but reading the latest patch notes after spending countless hours on this game and finally getting somewhere in PVP got me really depressed.
I want my little piece of smallscaling happiness in ESO, and if it involves crying a lot, and ripping said happiness out of other people's throats by playing like a woman of promiscuous sexual behavior, then so be it.

mtwiggz

Poisons are a terrible addition to the game as far as PvP goes. Can definitely tell that the developers and @Wrobel never actually play the game.

ESO has been going down for quite some time now. This is just another step in the wrong direction.

kinggingernator

Someone needs to start a poll about poisons so that we have another poll where we can say zose clearly doesn't pay attention to the general idea. See the aoe cap poll.

Paraflex

Poison address the issue with infinite resources. Although I don't think 60% is the right place and this surely effects 1vX more than any other group category ZOS may actually be doing a good thing. I personally don't like watching a person have infinite resources because he specced everything in the champ tree to reduce stam costs and increase stam recovery so he is allowed to spam wrecking blow,rally,vigor all day. The more I think about this they may be addressing a serious problem the CP system created.

Waffennacht

The poisons (in my guess) will hurt magicka builds most.

Stamina is the only necessary resource in PvP. Magicka builds run the lowest of this necessary resource (which I thought our power and unique shields made up for this fact...) meaning our 2 - 3 CC breaks become 1, maybe 2.

It looks like we are trying to be pushed into the "all impen, some health and some stam" builds. However sorcs especially have no abilities to make use of such changes. As is we gotta have to heavily depend on huge magicka pools and spell damage just to be competitive.

I would like to hope we don't get gimped beyond recognition. I can handle being a lower class, but I really don't wanna be pigeonholed straight to PvE only with my sorc.

Dracan_Fontom

Smallscale was ruin the moment VD came out.

Bosov

How will the poison work anyway? If someone shoots a light attack with a bow at me will it proc the poison? If i reflect that light attack will his own poison proc on him?

Im sure poisons are going to be annoying but when the novelty wears off people will most likely save them for duels, ganking and not so much for zerging... i hope

mtwiggz

Bosov wrote: »

How will the poison work anyway? If someone shoots a light attack with a bow at me will it proc the poison? If i reflect that light attack will his own poison proc on him?

Im sure poisons are going to be annoying but when the novelty wears off people will most likely save them for duels, ganking and not so much for zerging... i hope

They're not difficult to obtain, so I doubt people will save them for unique situations. What you're saying is similar to "People will most likely not use tripots unless in duels and ganking." Which we all know most players chug those things like its a full time job.

Mauz

kasa-obake wrote: »

...where ESO is going, just catering to zerging casuals, which is not a bad thing per se and I...

I just imagine all these casuals organizing themself to build full raid groups where each member applies a different poison to optimize their advantage against skilled players by having all debuffs up at the same time on all available targets

Won't happen. If you experience such a situation its either coincidence or more likely you don't face casuals. The average casual won't even be able to anticipate how it could help at all to apply something like poison in PvP. The more dimension you add to builds the less a typical casual will be able to become competitive in PvP.

This is buffing ambicious player who like to play in larger groups.

Lokey0024

Someone mentioned something about poisons and potions running off the Potion cooldown, adding effects for a duration instead of weapon application. Think it would work better by making the choice of offence or healing up

Lava_Croft

ZOS would say: Go zerg or go bust.

This is confirmed by seeing one the developers play PvP in the latest ESO Live broadcast. Seeing 'Kyle' play PvP clearly showed what kind of people are creating this game and what kind of people this game is being created for.

Hint: Casu-El.

americansteel

yes i love the "anti zerg" rhetoric give me more.

let me see those tears run down your faces.

small scale is fun and all but the 3 factions "zerg" these people are playing the game as intended.

oh my skill is unsurpassed you only kill me cuz you a zergling get good bad kid you gotz no skill, hahahaha you gotz no life try hard go find one.

players *** too much man seriously just play the game if youre outnumbered thats YOUR fault people get too hyped on being wiped. boo hoo.

i will say its funny wiping a DC zerg hahahaha not so funny when i get steam rolled.

covenant_merchant

americansteel wrote: »

yes i love the "anti zerg" rhetoric give me more.

let me see those tears run down your faces.

small scale is fun and all but the 3 factions "zerg" these people are playing the game as intended.

oh my skill is unsurpassed you only kill me cuz you a zergling get good bad kid you gotz no skill, hahahaha you gotz no life try hard go find one.

players *** too much man seriously just play the game if youre outnumbered thats YOUR fault people get too hyped on being wiped. boo hoo.

i will say its funny wiping a DC zerg hahahaha not so funny when i get steam rolled.

That post was remarkably useless. If you want to zerg, go zerg and brag about your skills and epic awesomeness on "zerg" threads, if that´s even a thing. Unless you actually have an opinion regarding poisons and their effect on smallscale, please refrain from posting here.

artal

I like to play every class from time to time and all sorts of builds, from tanky to bursty but always as 1vx or really small group of up to 4 people. Any patch so far brought some sort of nerfs and bufs but i didn't cared much because its always possible to adjust. Never raged or talking about quiting till now.
I think these poisons are utterly stupid and giving way to much reward for no skill needed. Also they will completely destroy my chances when outnumbered.
If they really want to force this on us than they need to be drastically toned down and that 1 person can only have 1 poison running on them at a time.
Otherwise im on lookout for some new games

americansteel

kasa-obake wrote: »

americansteel wrote: »

yes i love the "anti zerg" rhetoric give me more.

let me see those tears run down your faces.

small scale is fun and all but the 3 factions "zerg" these people are playing the game as intended.

oh my skill is unsurpassed you only kill me cuz you a zergling get good bad kid you gotz no skill, hahahaha you gotz no life try hard go find one.

players *** too much man seriously just play the game if youre outnumbered thats YOUR fault people get too hyped on being wiped. boo hoo.

i will say its funny wiping a DC zerg hahahaha not so funny when i get steam rolled.

That post was remarkably useless. If you want to zerg, go zerg and brag about your skills and epic awesomeness on "zerg" threads, if that´s even a thing. Unless you actually have an opinion regarding poisons and their effect on smallscale, please refrain from posting here.

nope just pointing an issue out.

"zerg" if youre trying to make an insulting comment directed at me, be more contstructive.

clowns like you come on this forum with a toxic mentality whining about zerging factions, im so sorry that you bought a game that uses a large scale type of game play, your fault for being outnumbered.

complaining because of players playing the game as it was meant to be played . large scale is fun the lag and class imbalance isnt.

the moment a poster posts something regarding a zerg complaint is when their post becomes invalid.

advertised as large scale warfare! and it remain as such, go ahead spread more tears the level of arrogance and ignorance in this community is incredible.

covenant_merchant

Hey, if you actually bothered to read any of the crap I post, I'm not vehemently against zergs. Yes, this game is open-world, large scale warfare, hell even the devs zerg. And it's fine with me.
However smallscale exists too, and many implemenations made (read vicious death: intended as zerg buster, no matter how it turned out in the end), were done to give smallscalers a chance at least at killing some people inb4 getting rekt. And with poisons, it seems that zos aims to reverse their trend, and deprive lonely, zerg-less people of said chance.

You claim that I am a toxic waste of space, which makes me laugh since you seem quite misinformed. I am not saying "zergs are evil, ban them" in my posts. While I dislike being a one button wonder and steamrolling people, I don't care if other people do. All I ask for is a chance to enjoy this game without joining big raids.
It is an open and free world, and you should be able to play however you want to. If you want to zerg, go zerg. Know that I shall judge you silently and shake my head sadly at the thought of yet another soul lost to the zerging machine, but smallscale is out there too, and will remain so until devs firmly take a stance against it.

Your reason for a post being invalid seen as it has "zerg complaints " in it is in all honesty adorable. It makes me think of bunny-eared lawyers claiming that the accused is guilty of a crime because he has a middle name starting with J., and it has rained on April 23rd.
Also your post has no capital letters, which bothers me far more than it should, and still has no clear answer to the question "will poisons ruin smallscale?", which in turn forces me to report you for ad hominem insults, as well as being a general waste of my time.