Official Feedback Thread for Nightblades

Lava_Croft · February 2016

Attackopsn wrote: »

Really? Having a 2k stam cost vs a 1k stam cost justifies a damage loss by that much? The heal is only a 4k heal for most nightblades. I would have to respectfully disagree that these do not compensate for the damage loss.

Just pointing out things that you conveniently left out of your comparison of the two skills.

Attackopsn · February 2016

The only thing not mentioned is cost, I do mention the heal.

Lava_Croft · February 2016

Attackopsn wrote: »

The only thing not mentioned is cost, I do mention the heal.

Bah, overlooked that. The reduced cost is not to be underestimated though. Just like the fact that you won't have to be locked down using a 2-hander.

silky_soft · February 2016

You actually have to land a blow with kb let alone kill to get the heal.

Hawco10 · February 2016

Junkogen wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Gonna repeat this here since it bears Mentioning,

1. Shadow Cloak and its morphs already had plenty of counters before. no nerf needed.
2. is there a ability that cancels a DK's flappy wings or green dragon blood or a templars ability to heal or a sorc's ability to use hardened ward or bolt for 5 secs, and then can be held off indefinitely...hello...I thought not...
3. magelight, the inner light morphs abilities now are the same on radiant magelight, get 10% more spell crit and now when casted get the Might of the guild passive that give Empower(20% more damage), and you get to detect enemies and have a 50%+ nerf to sneak damage and now also locks out a class ability for Nightblades for 5 secs, which Shadow line skill passives are tied to and with dark cloak the damage mitigation is also tied too. this also means that Nightblades with Shadowy Disguise cannot cast cloak for more crit and now that DOTs are not purged via cloak that they cannot even be bypassed when Shadow Cloak has been locked out of usage. How stupid can the Dev's be to institute something so horrible.. what were they thinking ?? all because people refuse to use the counters that already existed and cry like babies that they get ganked, hell I get ganked too..you dont here me calling for Nerf's or locking out class abilities..Magelight is now so Over powered that any Magicka class would be out of their mind not to use..its even better than Entropy and that is higher in the Mages guild skill line..
4. since the Cloak ability can be indefinitely locked out, by casting magelight every 4 secs, this also means that the veiled strike (and its morphs) used in conjunction with cloak can no longer be used to stun opponents..another nerf..
5. all this and that anyone can get Magelight since it is a level 1 ability for the Mages Guild can now fully negate a class skill means that the game is now broken..
6. ZOS is listening to the whiners of this game way to much that refuse to slot counters and L2P vs nightblades.

I can keep going if you want, i can put atleast two more points down off the top of my head, (1. toggling magelight will grant empower again, leading to one-shot builds is just one, 2. AvA skill rank requirements will be lowered with this patch as well and many people will have access to Revealing flare skill now as well) but #'s 2 & 3 is way more than enough for this to be reversed..

fix it ZOS

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
@ZOS_KaiSchober

PS- Piercing Mark should also not cause Shadow Cloak to be unusable either..

Link- http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2696084/#Comment_2696084

QFT,

The NB passives are too intertwined with Cloak for them to keep the lockout part of Magelight for the live release. I don't understand why they're overreacting like this. Whining is OP and needs a nerf.

This

Infinite12 · February 2016

Sparky617 wrote: »

I love my magicka NB, she is my main character. I'm furious about losing the DOT cleanse, but I do have to agree that once you have been marked or revealed, you should be unable to turn invisible again for a limited period of time. Taking away our cleanse was just a step too far. I keep logging in... Looking at my Magicka NB and my Stam Sorc....knowing what's coming, I just log out and go watch TV while I consider other games to play

I disagree with this. Right now if someone marks me, if I can kill the person who marks me (usually the first person to attack me after being marked) then I can utilize stealth again. That's how it should be. I shouldn't be locked out of stealth no matter what. That's dumb. I chose the nightblade because I like playing a stealth class. I like being sneaky. They've ruined this class for me.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

Xeniph · February 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

lame.

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno,
Can the magelight effect that keeps you from stealth for 5 seconds become purgeable. The effects of mark are purgeable. Why not magelight? It seems only fair to have a counter to this ability. This would also allow nb to use cloak more reliably if they wish to run the skill that counters the counter to cloak.

Xeniph · February 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

lame.

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno,
Can the magelight effect that keeps you from stealth for 5 seconds become purgeable. The effects of mark are purgeable. Why not magelight? It seems only fair to have a counter to this ability. This would also allow nb to use cloak more reliably if they wish to run the skill that counters the counter to cloak.

Oh I dunno. That would only further widen the gap between the Magicka NB and the Stamina NB.

I mean if they are gonna snip us, I'd rather they get us all.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

lame.

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno,
Can the magelight effect that keeps you from stealth for 5 seconds become purgeable. The effects of mark are purgeable. Why not magelight? It seems only fair to have a counter to this ability. This would also allow nb to use cloak more reliably if they wish to run the skill that counters the counter to cloak.

Oh I dunno. That would only further widen the gap between the Magicka NB and the Stamina NB.

I mean if they are gonna snip us, I'd rather they get us all.

personally, i would run efficient purge if need be as a stam.

pmn100b16_ESO · February 2016

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

lame.

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno,
Can the magelight effect that keeps you from stealth for 5 seconds become purgeable. The effects of mark are purgeable. Why not magelight? It seems only fair to have a counter to this ability. This would also allow nb to use cloak more reliably if they wish to run the skill that counters the counter to cloak.

Its going to be 3 seconds when it goes live. Or so they've said. But I agree it should be able to be countered with purge.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

bowmanz607 wrote: »

Does anyone know if magelight effect is purgeable?

It is not.

lame.

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno,
Can the magelight effect that keeps you from stealth for 5 seconds become purgeable. The effects of mark are purgeable. Why not magelight? It seems only fair to have a counter to this ability. This would also allow nb to use cloak more reliably if they wish to run the skill that counters the counter to cloak.

Its going to be 3 seconds when it goes live. Or so they've said. But I agree it should be able to be countered with purge.

ya but 3 seconds still means you can work it into your rotation and keep it up indefinitely with no counter.

Helluin · February 2016

silky_soft wrote: »

You actually have to land a blow with kb let alone kill to get the heal.

But for what you are discussing about Killer's Blade, I'd like to point out that the healing received upon killing a target sometimes applies to an ally instead of the caster.

Synozeer · February 2016

Helluin wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

You actually have to land a blow with kb let alone kill to get the heal.

But for what you are discussing about Killer's Blade, I'd like to point out that the healing received upon killing a target sometimes applies to an ally instead of the caster.

I reported that ages ago, but no response or fix for it to date.

jbrady3324 · February 2016

Given the changes that are coming (I am on PS4 NA), can you recommend me a build/loadout for my High Elf Mag NB? I am only level 7 at the moment. I am really enjoying Dest and Resto staffs but I am willing to give one up for a 1H/Shield or maybe DW. The goal is to be as powerful as possible but also being available for support and quick hits, get away tactics.

I morphed to Shadowy Disguise based over Dark Cloak but obviously can change that in the future if you suggest it. Thanks!

silky_soft · February 2016

Helluin wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

You actually have to land a blow with kb let alone kill to get the heal.

But for what you are discussing about Killer's Blade, I'd like to point out that the healing received upon killing a target sometimes applies to an ally instead of the caster.

Just also pointing out how *** it's range is compared to magika morph

RazielSR · February 2016

So,people...are you gonna get rid of vamp with your nb?

Helluin · February 2016

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Mages Guild
Radiant Magelight (Magelight morph): Fixed an issue where this morph was not preventing the stun from Veiled Strike and its morphs.

Has anyone tested this fix of build 2.3.3?
Is this working just preventing the stun from sneak or also the one from invisible?

On live server you can know when someone has active this toggle skill, while on PTS the effects are up just when casted.
Since it provides a really strong effect when simply passively slotted, it should have a visual clue.

@ZOS_KNowak
With this skill probably really common in PvP and the other changements about sneak/invisibility, the passive Master Assassin (NB) and Stealthy (Bosmer/Khajiit) should be tweaked in some manner, since their use is already really limited PvE wise.

Strider_Roshin · February 2016

Therium104 wrote: »

Miwerton wrote: »

Lets just get a couple of things of the board so we can refocus on things that need focus.

A) If your just here to go trolol, and rub it in (most likely from some hatred from being ganked in pvp) It really isnt contributing to the discussion.

Dont go off praising Zos and especialy the devs, theyre logic and rationel should critized and shown its fault and errors, so we can move forward. (hopefully with them learning from theyre mistakes)

C) Nb has been mainly called OP since the IC release, most likely due to gank and taking theyre tel var stones, which is pvp, in pve you dont have that extrodanarie single dps.

D) and last, get The Devs to actually try theyre work, playing with others on the megaservers, and see the reality of the game. Opposed to the reality they are under the impression of how they think the game is played.

ZOS did a great job with changes. They still need to nerf NB more. If anyone played the game at all it would be obvious NB is overtuned. Lol....

After playing as every class, the only class that is "overtuned" is magicka sorcs.

Ender1310 · February 2016

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

bowmanz607 · February 2016

Ender1310 wrote: »

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

No vet ranks still in this update.

Sav72 · February 2016

Ender1310 wrote: »

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

Or, We can say ESO was fun, and move on.....

Tholian1 · February 2016

Ender1310 wrote: »

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

Agreed. Everyone should roll a sorc and have fun with shields.

Infinite12 · February 2016

Tholian1 wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

Agreed. Everyone should roll a sorc and have fun with shields.

How long have you two worked for Zenimax? Honestly, ZoS hasn't got a clue when it comes to balancing. All they know how to do is destroy classes with nerfs. This is not ok. We want balance, we don't want to have to make and level up a new character just because ZoS doesn't know how to do that

Tholian1 · February 2016

Infinite12 wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

Ender1310 wrote: »

Guys relax. Two things are going to happen. Either the changes are not going to be that bad and we will still be viable or we will be nerfed into the ground. I am betting we will be nerfed into the ground. This is a good thing. They made it incredibly easy to make alts in this patch. Take the noob route and become a derp knight or a derp sorc. Its easy. Play that class have fun with it. The more of us that make alts and stop running the NB's the devs will take notice and balance us. Simple. Seriously roll a sorc. They have had it easy since day one and this patch seems no different. Done problem solved..you will have fun playing another class for a bit and it will get our class un-nerfed.

Agreed. Everyone should roll a sorc and have fun with shields.

How long have you two worked for Zenimax? Honestly, ZoS hasn't got a clue when it comes to balancing. All they know how to do is destroy classes with nerfs. This is not ok. We want balance, we don't want to have to make and level up a new character just because ZoS doesn't know how to do that

It was a joke. Taking the attention off of your favorite class by making another seem extremely popular so they get the scrutiny of the Devs instead.

I only play a NB and am not happy about the upcoming nerf to cloak either, even though I could only cloak 3 times in a row to begin with. Like I really needed that skill to be locked out when it could only be used a few times before my magicka was depleted.

AzuraKin · February 2016

silky_soft wrote: »

@AzuraKin on no cp pts? Or you taking Pve land?

pve a nb makes the perfect mix of heals and damage capable of healing with low impact on dps by just using funnel health/sap. pvp its less about healing thanks to the 50% heal debuff while damage suffers zero reduction. thus m. nbs rely more on burst dps from sources like m. det and meteor or a siliar high damage ult. coupled with teleport strike and veiled strike.

AzuraKin · February 2016

Vangy wrote: »

duncan_cougarpreeb18_ESO wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Sparky617 wrote: »

I love my magicka NB, she is my main character. I'm furious about losing the DOT cleanse, but I do have to agree that once you have been marked or revealed, you should be unable to turn invisible again for a limited period of time. Taking away our cleanse was just a step too far. I keep logging in... Looking at my Magicka NB and my Stam Sorc....knowing what's coming, I just log out and go watch TV while I consider other games to play

Efficient purge

because it gives you your class skill passive? Here's a hint: No, it doesn't

Cloak was the only ability to do so, which was not visible for others.
The dot removal was nice for siege and NPCs, it was never really an issue with DKs (either way).
Their unbreakable stuns and snares are. But that's just another issue of very poor game design by ZOS.

If you think that's not crippling, consider DKs only being able to apply a DOT on 1 target at a time, with a cooldown of 5 seconds before ANY dot can be reapplied. And purge giving not only dot removal to anyone in the area, but a weapon and spell damage buff with extra protection against fire attacks.

Not crippling? Sure would be. But hey let's nerf NBs as a class to Oblivion. Next stop Templars, then DKs. Sorcs for the win.

As if not the ridiculously bad implementation of stealth (50 people hiding on an open field of grass in bright sunshine, and unless you walk right into them you don't see a thing one step away) is the real issue here.

Nerfed into oblivion?

Stam nbs will be just fine. (Don't worry I have a stam nb too.)

If ur mag blade, proxy>lotus fan>soul tether/meteor/Bat swarm + spam Aoe is going to be so OP. With nerfs to healing across the board and the general buff to magicka classes I'd say mag blade would be a close contender to the new patches master race sorc.

As for losing cleanse I think it's legit. Run purge like every other class. Dosent make sense to have a single ability push give u invis, buffs, cleanse and all the amazing stealth synergies that come with it. Broken as ***. Even my stamblade who didn't spam cloak found it ridiculous. Low hp = fear> cloak + vigor, boom fight reset. However I do agree that cloak should never become unusable. They should change rml such that you can press cloak, but not be able to turn invis while still getting at least some of your class Passives. The cleanse though, I fully agree with it being decoupled from cloak.

not fair? I guess its fair then that sorcs get hardened ward that makes them impervious to critical hits while its up, is about same power as barrier and also have sorc port that enables them to have the greatest mobility. also you forget that nb was designed for pvp, and you also forget Templars have class purge because purge my dear friend is a healer's skill, and nb is a hybrid class. there is a reason nb are the only class besides Templars that can heal people other then themselves with CLASS skills.

AzuraKin · February 2016

CtrlAltDlt wrote: »

Sparky617 wrote: »

I love my magicka NB, she is my main character. I'm furious about losing the DOT cleanse, but I do have to agree that once you have been marked or revealed, you should be unable to turn invisible again for a limited period of time. Taking away our cleanse was just a step too far. I keep logging in... Looking at my Magicka NB and my Stam Sorc....knowing what's coming, I just log out and go watch TV while I consider other games to play

The dot cleanse, while I will miss it, was a harsh counter to class that is mostly Dot based. I think that nerf was fair.

no its not. people seem to readily forget NIGHTBLADES ARE A PVP-CENTRIC CLASS DESIGNED TO STRIKE FROM STEALTH. rather then put a timer which is counter to what this game was designed to be, all they need to do is put a 25% additional cost per use if reused within 6s. this would put similar limitations as were placed on dodge roll and sorc port.

melodeath · February 2016

zos balance:

1: remove OP heals from nb and temp
2: give an even stronger heal than the above to sorcs.

thieves guild balance complete... /pats self on back.