How to balance Sorcs

Stamden

Snit wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.

Every poster describes every other class as if they have unlimited skill slots, right?

That's the trick. Every "OP" class and skill has counters, but you can't load everything. No builds are complete.

Unless you have 3 skill bars.

cozmon3c_ESO

Neighbor wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.

Every poster describes every other class as if they have unlimited skill slots, right?

That's the trick. Every "OP" class and skill has counters, but you can't load everything. No builds are complete.

Unless you have 3 skill bars.

when a sorc has overload up i get a bit giddy with excitement, it means i can hide behind my ball of lightening and pwn there face because the only defensive ability they can use while they have overload up is hardened ward. just the delay to switch back to there healing bar is long enough for me to get them from full shields to dead.

basically when a sorc has overload active they become less defensible and easier to kill because they dont have instant access to healing ward. i bet i learned you something right there. now go kill some sorcs and stop whining.

Satiar

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

Snit

Neighbor wrote: »

Unless you have 3 skill bars.

It doesn't work quite as you think it does.

If you use Overload to kill people, you need to load the OL bar with mostly duplicative spells. You need Entropy or Crit Surge for the buff, Hardened Ward and Bolt escape to stay alive, and you probably want another burst skill (e.g., Curse). You'll likely end up with one extra slot for rarely used situational skills. I add Liquid Lightning for flag battles.

None of this is apparent until you actually try to play the build (which is probably true about many builds for many classes -- the grass is always greener).

cozmon3c_ESO

i have to hit overlaod twice just to get the damn thing to work right every time for some odd reason.

Stamden

Snit wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Unless you have 3 skill bars.

It doesn't work quite as you think it does.

If you use Overload to kill people, you need to load the OL bar with mostly duplicative spells. You need Entropy or Crit Surge for the buff, Hardened Ward and Bolt escape to stay alive, and you probably want another burst skill (e.g., Curse). You'll likely end up with one extra slot for rarely used situational skills. I add Liquid Lightning for flag battles.

None of this is apparent until you actually try to play the build (which is probably true about many builds for many classes -- the grass is always greener).

I know, I'm playing my Sorc a lot. Most skills are duplicate, but still it's 1-3 extra which is nice to have at times.

eventide03b14a_ESO

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.

Every poster describes every other class as if they have unlimited skill slots, right?

That's the trick. Every "OP" class and skill has counters, but you can't load everything. No builds are complete.

Unless you have 3 skill bars.

when a sorc has overload up i get a bit giddy with excitement, it means i can hide behind my ball of lightening and pwn there face because the only defensive ability they can use while they have overload up is hardened ward. just the delay to switch back to there healing bar is long enough for me to get them from full shields to dead.

basically when a sorc has overload active they become less defensible and easier to kill because they dont have instant access to healing ward. i bet i learned you something right there. now go kill some sorcs and stop whining.

It's the same reason I don't use Crystal Fragments when I see a huge pair of wings go up.

eventide03b14a_ESO

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

You were asked for a screenshot for proof and you provided it. Now they want to see your entire set up. I don't think anything is going to satisfy them.

Satiar

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

You were asked for a screenshot for proof and you provided it. Now they want to see your entire set up. I don't think anything is going to satisfy them.

Not even like its a mystery, you can see my buff animations and armor. I just dislike that now I proved it, I need to prove it *again* for some reason.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

I agree with the op. sorc is the only class that can play a light armor glass cannon because their shields stack off magica and they can bolt around if they are getting low on stam instead of cc locked; and this being said they are not a glass cannon even though the build is the weakest armor and no health or stamina, all other classes doing this have major problems while sorcs are very strong. what would all you sorcs say if all the other shields could stack off magica. Give the templars a blazing shield based of max magica and see how that goes and I bet anything that the tears would fill the forums about how not fair it is. I like buffs more than nerfs, but lets not be ignorant and deny when there are issues effect class equality.

this was well stated:

DK:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

Templar:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

NB:
Yes: Damage, Escape/Mobility
No: Defence

Sorc
Yes: Damage, Defence, Escape/Mobility

ToRelax

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the op. sorc is the only class that can play a light armor glass cannon because their shields stack off magica and they can bolt around if they are getting low on stam instead of cc locked; and this being said they are not a glass cannon even though the build is the weakest armor and no health or stamina, all other classes doing this have major problems while sorcs are very strong. what would all you sorcs say if all the other shields could stack off magica. Give the templars a blazing shield based of max magica and see how that goes and I bet anything that the tears would fill the forums about how not fair it is. I like buffs more than nerfs, but lets not be ignorant and deny when there are issues effect class equality.

this was well stated:

DK:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

Templar:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

NB:
Yes: Damage, Escape/Mobility
No: Defence

Sorc
Yes: Damage, Defence, Escape/Mobility

You are very mistaken, I would love if all class shields could scale off any resource, at least a magicka morph would make sense.

eventide03b14a_ESO

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

I agree with the op. sorc is the only class that can play a light armor glass cannon because their shields stack off magica and they can bolt around if they are getting low on stam instead of cc locked; and this being said they are not a glass cannon even though the build is the weakest armor and no health or stamina, all other classes doing this have major problems while sorcs are very strong. what would all you sorcs say if all the other shields could stack off magica. Give the templars a blazing shield based of max magica and see how that goes and I bet anything that the tears would fill the forums about how not fair it is. I like buffs more than nerfs, but lets not be ignorant and deny when there are issues effect class equality.

this was well stated:

DK:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

Templar:
Yes: Damage, Defence
No: Escape/Mobility

NB:
Yes: Damage, Escape/Mobility
No: Defence

Sorc
Yes: Damage, Defence, Escape/Mobility

Once again we have someone who has a fundamental misunderstanding of how the game and especially sorcs work. Look blazing shield can stack off of magicka, but then we get a damage return added to hardened ward just like blazing sheild. Hmmm not looking so good now when the damage from my ward scales off of 30k magicka. Also you have to give up your heals since we don't have any of those. You really want to go there? You see they are not the same; hardened ward does no damage it's purely defense. You're crying because you can't kill us and that's really just L2P issue.

Stamden

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

What exactly is the point though? If your going for a straight damage build (which you are, according to your other stats and regen) then Siphoning Strikes isn't going to do anything but slow down your kill. If you ganking squishies, then you don't need more stat regen and you do need the damage.

In a more regen oriented build it has more of a use, but it still is not worth the 2 skill slots at all.

Ezareth

Teargrants wrote: »

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?
@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

You can't educate fools Teargrants. You can't win arguments on the internet, certainly not with these people. It just wish there was a higher barrier to entry in the PvP forums. Like you have to pass a game mechanics quiz or something and anything less than a 95% means you are flunked to the Lowbie forums. Then maybe I wouldn't have to spend time countering people who don't even know their own class, yet alone enough about another class to comment on it.

Iyas

Oh pvp mechanic quiz? Bye most of ESO players.

Xsorus

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

Well gear i'm not so concerned about..I could probably figure that out fairly easy..Buffs though i'm think might matter..If for example you're relying on 2 Scrolls for example it'll improve your damage a bit... and not every realm has a giant zerg backing them to take everything at 5am. Granted you'll still probably have over 3k Weapon Damage even without Scrolls so it wouldn't matter anyway.

Xsorus

Ezareth wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?
@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

You can't educate fools Teargrants. You can't win arguments on the internet, certainly not with these people. It just wish there was a higher barrier to entry in the PvP forums. Like you have to pass a game mechanics quiz or something and anything less than a 95% means you are flunked to the Lowbie forums. Then maybe I wouldn't have to spend time countering people who don't even know their own class, yet alone enough about another class to comment on it.

Ezareth I see you're still defending your "cough" bright wizard *cough*

Satiar

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

Well gear i'm not so concerned about..I could probably figure that out fairly easy..Buffs though i'm think might matter..If for example you're relying on 2 Scrolls for example it'll improve your damage a bit... and not every realm has a giant zerg backing them to take everything at 5am. Granted you'll still probably have over 3k Weapon Damage even without Scrolls so it wouldn't matter anyway.

Was homed Chill, just home scrolls.

Ezareth

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?
@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

You can't educate fools Teargrants. You can't win arguments on the internet, certainly not with these people. It just wish there was a higher barrier to entry in the PvP forums. Like you have to pass a game mechanics quiz or something and anything less than a 95% means you are flunked to the Lowbie forums. Then maybe I wouldn't have to spend time countering people who don't even know their own class, yet alone enough about another class to comment on it.

Ezareth I see you're still defending your "cough" bright wizard *cough*

And you're still trying to defend something that you were obviously wrong about with some mumbo jumbo about scroll buffs.

Just say you were wrong and move on. Not difficult is it? No one other than you cares, since you and the other guy who doesn't understand game mechanics were the only ones who contested it.

Xsorus

Ezareth wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?
@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

You can't educate fools Teargrants. You can't win arguments on the internet, certainly not with these people. It just wish there was a higher barrier to entry in the PvP forums. Like you have to pass a game mechanics quiz or something and anything less than a 95% means you are flunked to the Lowbie forums. Then maybe I wouldn't have to spend time countering people who don't even know their own class, yet alone enough about another class to comment on it.

Ezareth I see you're still defending your "cough" bright wizard *cough*

And you're still trying to defend something that you were obviously wrong about with some mumbo jumbo about scroll buffs.

Just say you were wrong and move on. Not difficult is it? No one other than you cares, since you and the other guy who doesn't understand game mechanics were the only ones who contested it.

How is asking what buffs were present defending something? Was curious cause hitting 3.6 Weapon Damage with a 17% reduction is difficult. Esp without Scrolls. If its without Scrolls I get a closer idea to what he's running

Mean while you keep going on about how everyone else is just wrong about Sorcs when we've got what? The 10th thread on this subject so far? At some point i'm wondering when it'll click with ya that maybe you might just be wrong on Sorcs.

Soulac

Snit wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.

Every poster describes every other class as if they have unlimited skill slots, right?

That's the trick. Every "OP" class and skill has counters, but you can't load everything. No builds are complete.

Right.
It doesn't matter how good you make your build or how much you think about ways to improve it, there will always be a counter.. at least one.

Satiar

Neighbor wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

What exactly is the point though? If your going for a straight damage build (which you are, according to your other stats and regen) then Siphoning Strikes isn't going to do anything but slow down your kill. If you ganking squishies, then you don't need more stat regen and you do need the damage.

In a more regen oriented build it has more of a use, but it still is not worth the 2 skill slots at all.

Point is I can get bigger damage with better resource return than a regen build. 3600 is a lot of damage, more than enough to qualify as a high end damage build. Add to that my extra Stam and health from food, I have a more sustainable, higher damage character than I would with a regen build. It's an amazing tradeoff, a skill that allows you to build for the burst you want with the sustain you need.

I fight plenty of characters who hit hard and fade fast, and plenty with good sustain that can't get past my vigor/rally combo. I don't claim to have found some perfect spec or anything, but I just think it's weird people think competitive players shouldn't use this skill. You sacrifice two slots for the ability to spam damage, spam heals, freaking block and not lose your stam bar if you need to.

SafiyerAmitora

[...]

Thinking that all of what Sorcs do all day long is spam shields and BE is completely ridiculous. Any Sorc who does is utterly useless. There's much more to playing a Sorc than that. A LOT more.

And would you seriously think that's all Ezareth does? I'd absolutely hope not. I've not only watched his videos, but I've also played alongside him before, and I'd be the first to say that he's definitely a lot more skilled than that in a heartbeat. Sorcs are difficult to play; more so if it's not your playstyle (such as in my case). And then with all the nerfs they've been getting because the noobs who encounter the skilled players and get rekt, then complain on the forums that Sorcs are OP without even looking for the tons of counters to the class, it gets even more difficult to play a Sorc. Ezareth, and all the other skilled Sorcs out there, deserve a lot more respect than they've been getting because they've been having to deal with all the noobs out there trying to get their class nerfed since launch, and before, alongside all the nerfs that have been getting thrown at them. Instead of complaining about the class and getting it nerfed more than it is, actually go and find out the counters to them, implement a few, use them, and Sorcs will be easier to fight. I mean seriously, how dang hard is that?

[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]

olsborg

Whats op is nbs with 5k weapon dmg:)

Stamden

olsborg wrote: »

Whats op is nbs with 5k weapon dmg:)

If only that was possible

Satiar

5k..... maybe with all enchants and all buffs running? So for 5 seconds max?

Cinnamon_Spider

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Mean while you keep going on about how everyone else is just wrong about Sorcs when we've got what? The 10th thread on this subject so far? At some point i'm wondering when it'll click with ya that maybe you might just be wrong on Sorcs.

Xsorus

Satiar wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

What exactly is the point though? If your going for a straight damage build (which you are, according to your other stats and regen) then Siphoning Strikes isn't going to do anything but slow down your kill. If you ganking squishies, then you don't need more stat regen and you do need the damage.

In a more regen oriented build it has more of a use, but it still is not worth the 2 skill slots at all.

Point is I can get bigger damage with better resource return than a regen build. 3600 is a lot of damage, more than enough to qualify as a high end damage build. Add to that my extra Stam and health from food, I have a more sustainable, higher damage character than I would with a regen build. It's an amazing tradeoff, a skill that allows you to build for the burst you want with the sustain you need.

I fight plenty of characters who hit hard and fade fast, and plenty with good sustain that can't get past my vigor/rally combo. I don't claim to have found some perfect spec or anything, but I just think it's weird people think competitive players shouldn't use this skill. You sacrifice two slots for the ability to spam damage, spam heals, freaking block and not lose your stam bar if you need to.

Technically 3 slots, since you are using caltrops. Though you don't need siphoning on your single target bar I think. You really only need it on your aoe bar for steel tornado

Xsorus

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Mean while you keep going on about how everyone else is just wrong about Sorcs when we've got what? The 10th thread on this subject so far? At some point i'm wondering when it'll click with ya that maybe you might just be wrong on Sorcs.

Got one for sorcs believing only other sorcs and no one else?

Satiar

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Was I supposed to show my whole set up? I was under the impression I was meant to prove that you can use the skill while obtaining high weapon damage.

What exactly is the point though? If your going for a straight damage build (which you are, according to your other stats and regen) then Siphoning Strikes isn't going to do anything but slow down your kill. If you ganking squishies, then you don't need more stat regen and you do need the damage.

In a more regen oriented build it has more of a use, but it still is not worth the 2 skill slots at all.

Point is I can get bigger damage with better resource return than a regen build. 3600 is a lot of damage, more than enough to qualify as a high end damage build. Add to that my extra Stam and health from food, I have a more sustainable, higher damage character than I would with a regen build. It's an amazing tradeoff, a skill that allows you to build for the burst you want with the sustain you need.

I fight plenty of characters who hit hard and fade fast, and plenty with good sustain that can't get past my vigor/rally combo. I don't claim to have found some perfect spec or anything, but I just think it's weird people think competitive players shouldn't use this skill. You sacrifice two slots for the ability to spam damage, spam heals, freaking block and not lose your stam bar if you need to.

Technically 3 slots, since you are using caltrops. Though you don't need siphoning on your single target bar I think. You really only need it on your aoe bar for steel tornado

Caltrops is situational. not a perm part of my build. My solo builds I dunno what to do with all the bar space, cuz in groups i run 3-4 support skills.