How to balance Sorcs

Cinnamon_Spider

Neighbor wrote: »

Laerwen wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

As far as this becoming the "Nerf Sorc" forums it isn't paranoia, it is annoyance at having to defend against utter ignorance from the same people over and over every day like a full time Job. These people continuously spread lies and bogus information in hopes of getting my class nerfed and when they get shut down by calm reasoning they create yet another thread and start the process all over again. If ZoS cared about moderating these forums they've have allowed a single thread about "Balancing Sorcs" yet I've now seen 3 different ZoS moderators close threads and point players to three seperate nerf sorc threads. Yet these same players continue their obvious nerf rants without fear of any consequences so I feel in part like I'm a moderator of this forum myself and I really don't want to be. I wouldn't even care what people say if I had *any* confidence that ZoS understood their own game and the mechanics that rule it...then I could trust them to recognize truth from lie. The issue is I've witnessed far too many bugs and "unintended" mistakes made in ignorance by the devs in this game to put any store in them being able to disseminate truth from fiction.

Did you ever thing that maybe the majority are right and your wrong? Did you ever consider how it feels on the opposing end of what you do?

Listen, I understand. I used to play DK a lot pre-1.3, and made about 6 million AP on him in just a few months. I knew my DK was good, but I didn't know just how overpowered it was. Then I actually tried other classes and saw what it looked like to be on the other end of a DKs destruction. Oh how it felt to feel helpless against a good DK, even in a 3v1.

In a lot of ways, I believe you are in the same position. You know Sorcs are good, but you don't grasp what it actually feels to be helpless against one shield stacking and BE to no end, while procing Crystal Frags 1vXing your group. I'm not talking about your average Sorc, but the ones who know what there doing. There's not a lot of them, but it you'll know it when you see it. When a Sorc actually masters their class, they get away with a lot of things that they really shouldn't get away with. I highly recommened you try another class and see just silly fighting good Sorcs can be.

At the high end of PvP where everyone has mastered their class, Sorcs aren't the best duelers or even the best 1vX class debatebly. The problem with Sorcs is that 90% of the actual group v. group combat you see in Cyrodiil favors them over every other playstyle.

You and I, regardless of which side of the fence were on, are the vocal minority. Your side of the argument isnt even the majority of the minority.

That said, Im getting pretty tired of your posts. I cant take you seriously when you dont even know the difference between your, and youre, to, too and two, or there, their and theyre.

The downsides of typing on a phone.

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Ezareth

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Is this the thread I'm supposed to post my memes in now?

/confused

Teargrants

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Snit

jpalm1995 wrote: »

Why should my blazing shield scale off of my health and a sorcs shield scale off of magicka? I think it would be fair if all shields either scaled off of magicka or all scaled off of health

You have heals. Sorcs don't.

Cinnamon_Spider

Ezareth wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Is this the thread I'm supposed to post my memes in now?

/confused

It is as good a thread as any. Plus it appears to be good for nothing else at this point and we lost our "blame sorcs" thread.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Is this the thread I'm supposed to post my memes in now?

/confused

It is as good a thread as any. Plus it appears to be good for nothing else at this point and we lost our "blame sorcs" thread.

Yeah they closed that thread and yet there are four other nerf sorc threads open right now. Bring on the meme reposts.

Ezareth

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Is this the thread I'm supposed to post my memes in now?

/confused

It is as good a thread as any. Plus it appears to be good for nothing else at this point and we lost our "blame sorcs" thread.

Yeah they closed that thread and yet there are four other nerf sorc threads open right now. Bring on the meme reposts.

Best one yet!

Cinnamon_Spider

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

When an argument degrades into comments about someone using the correct form of a word, you know it has run it's course.

Is this the thread I'm supposed to post my memes in now?

/confused

It is as good a thread as any. Plus it appears to be good for nothing else at this point and we lost our "blame sorcs" thread.

Yeah they closed that thread and yet there are four other nerf sorc threads open right now. Bring on the meme reposts.

I think this one is one of my favorites so far and that isn't just because of the number of times people have fallen to their death trying to catch me bolting on rocks/mountains.

Stamden

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

ToRelax

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

Erock25

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

... and you are a NB too, right?

Stamden

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

Cinnamon_Spider

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

The fact that there are at least 10 nerf sorc threads really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

Xsorus

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

Teargrants

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Satiar

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

Soulac

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Satiar

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Eh, the tradeoff is worth it. This is a game of resources. Siphoning Attacks gives you all you need, which in turn opens up a huge amount of leeway for you.

I mean hey, if it's not your style it's not your style. But the people above saying it is a crap skill just haven't figured it out yet. Any skill + canceled light attack can proc up to 5000 main resource return. That's bloody huge.

Mayrael

@Satiar + if u use destro staff and crushing shock (on magica nb ofc) u get 3 chances to % with just one skill usage, its like almost every cast % and then add to it quick siphon from resto staff... When i first time switched from my sorc to NB i thought that NB is a really hard to play class, but when Ive discovered this skill it was like LOL OMFG IM A GOD.

Sythias

Whoever is saying siphoning strikes sucks in PVP...just wtf. PVP is a game of resource management. Anyone worth their weight understands that.

That said, I have a lot of success killing sorcs in cyrodiil. However it does seem that there is little realistic trade off for the burst, survivability, and mobility that good sorcs have. Luckily, they are far and few.

Soulac

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Eh, the tradeoff is worth it. This is a game of resources. Siphoning Attacks gives you all you need, which in turn opens up a huge amount of leeway for you.

I mean hey, if it's not your style it's not your style. But the people above saying it is a crap skill just haven't figured it out yet. Any skill + canceled light attack can proc up to 5000 main resource return. That's bloody huge.

As Stamina NB I don't got any room for siphoning attacks, even if I would like to run it.
There is just no way to fit it in without losing important skills.

Lava_Croft

Using Siphoning Attacks is compromising on versatility.

Makkir

I have officially started the Small Town Pizza Lawyer Memes!

Xsorus

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

Stamden

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Eh, the tradeoff is worth it. This is a game of resources. Siphoning Attacks gives you all you need, which in turn opens up a huge amount of leeway for you.

I mean hey, if it's not your style it's not your style. But the people above saying it is a crap skill just haven't figured it out yet. Any skill + canceled light attack can proc up to 5000 main resource return. That's bloody huge.

As Stamina NB I don't got any room for siphoning attacks, even if I would like to run it.
There is just no way to fit it in without losing important skills.

This.

Also, why does everyone have such low regen? If your regen sucks then the stats from Siphoning Strikes probably does look good.

Xsorus

Neighbor wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Eh, the tradeoff is worth it. This is a game of resources. Siphoning Attacks gives you all you need, which in turn opens up a huge amount of leeway for you.

I mean hey, if it's not your style it's not your style. But the people above saying it is a crap skill just haven't figured it out yet. Any skill + canceled light attack can proc up to 5000 main resource return. That's bloody huge.

As Stamina NB I don't got any room for siphoning attacks, even if I would like to run it.
There is just no way to fit it in without losing important skills.

This.

Also, why does everyone have such low regen? If your regen sucks then the stats from Siphoning Strikes probably does look good.

Well...probably because Satiar is a Nord..so he's running food it looks like....His regen would be 2000+ with Drink but then he'd take a hit on Stamina/Health.

Erock25

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

That skill is garbage in PvP. The amount of resources you get back are not worth losing 15% of your weapon damage. Even if they were, losing 2/10 of your skill slots just for it is laughable. Ask any decent NB and they will say the same. The only time it's even remotely worth it is with Siphoning Attacks morph and AoEing in PvE content.

Creating a thread to nerf another class because you just have no idea what your own class is capable of... this irony.

That fact the you guys actually think Siphoning Strikes is good in pvp really shows the quality of players you find on the forums.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

shadow cloak doesnt kill aanyone except for

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Neighbor wrote: »

Siphoning strikes is a pretty terrible skill, especially in PvP. Nobody competitively uses it because the damage drop off is too much.

Congrats, you just won the boneheaded comment of the year award. It is an invaluable skill for competitive players because you can get back infinite resources with it and still maintain 3600 wep dmg w/ it toggled on. If you cant figure out how, that's your problem.

Post a screen shot of that...Because that's doubtful.

Why post evidence when hyperbole works so much better?

@Satiar by the power vested in my by Dee Tick, I summon thee to educate the unbelievers.

Oh my.

Ok, so, quick and dirty screenshot. No make up, just the real me. Also, no weapon damage enchants and I'm missing a two-piece bonus:



I have no idea why people think this skill is bad, it's allows the best resource management in the game. 1700 cost AoE returning 4,000 stamina? Yes please, I will have another.

I mean, no loss to me if people don't use the skill. But I can output a ton of damage while maintaining enough stamina to actually block and dodge and do all the things. It's kind of OP.

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.
Siphoning Attacks is a great ability, especially in AoE since it procs every single second, but in 1vX I rather have 10 usable skills instead of 8..

Your screenshot really doesn't show anything though, It doesn't show what buffs ya have running or Gear setup (I imagine its something like Ravagers + Masters Dagger and Hundring maybe?)

So? You said prove it and he proved it.

AltusVenifus

cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »

i would be fine with the removal of shield stacking as a sorc, i barely do it anyway. hardened ward is enough until im almost dead and then i cast healing ward when i lose life. Nothing will change for me as a sorc if they remove shield stacking i just wont beable to cover my healing ward with hardened ward anymore, so what, ill just recast healing ward instead if i lose the shield then.

in fact i would be glad for the removal of shield stacking, then i may be able to kill some of these magicka classes faster, especially templars, nightblades and dk's, especially if they add reflective scales as counting as a shield.

i welcome this change so the noobs can be more nooby and i can wreck people harder and faster.

Yup... never agreed with this change either. Shields should mitigate damage to a %... not 100% to a number... I don't stack shields either, there is little reason 2 when healing ward is instant cast followed dampen or harden...

Snit

Soulac wrote: »

If you got enough space on your bar, sure it's good.

Every poster describes every other class as if they have unlimited skill slots, right?

That's the trick. Every "OP" class and skill has counters, but you can't load everything. No builds are complete.