Item set feedback wanted!

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · August 2015

In the next PTS build there will be 3 new character templates added that will allow you to create VR16 characters. These templates also have max-level versions of each of the new items sets from the Imperial City DLC, as well as a few other goodies.

We want feedback on the sets, and are especially interested in seeing the types of new builds you create to support them. After you tested with them for a while, let us know what you think!

The templates should appear at the top of the drop-down list on the character create screen and are called:

Imperial City PTS V16 Dag
Imperial City PTS V16 Ebon
Imperial City PTS V16 Ald

The item sets available for testing are:

Armor Master
Black Rose
Brands of Imperium
Combat Physician
Essence Thief
Jolting Arms
Leeching Plate
Lord Warden Dusk
Meritorious Service
Molag Kena
Noble’s Conquest
Overwhelming Surge
Phoenix
Powerful Assault
Reactive Armor
Redistributor
Scathing Mage
Sheer Venom
Shield Breaker
Shock Master
Spell Power Cure
Tormentor
Toxic Defiance

Thanks for helping us test these item sets--we look forward to your feedback!

(Edit: Added the "Essence Thief" item set to the list above. We accidentally omitted it--sorry about that!)

ScruffyWhiskers · August 2015

Who do I petition to get you to update Stygian? The combination of medium armor (eliminating any chance of a 5 piece light armor passive activation) and daggers (no spell crit for dual wield passive) really ruins what was once a good set for magicka melee nb's before 1.6.

It could be a great armor set for magicka melee nb's and would go a long way to helping concealed weapon be more viable.

Please change the pieces to light armor and/or add a necklace. Bonus change would be daggers to swords but that would be too much to hope for.

lucian_banneb18_ESO · August 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In the next PTS build

Can you please tell us when will that be?
Thanks!

Fecius · August 2015

Oh, Lord! This is REALLY nice. Thank you for this. We will try to do our best in providing a constructive feedback.

Joy_Division · August 2015

I still do not know why ZoS has made a major effort at improving the itemization without doing a single thing to change the obsolete and very unbalanced trait system for weapons and armors

Darlgon · August 2015

lucian_banneb18_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

In the next PTS build

Can you please tell us when will that be?
Thanks!

Monday, when they delete the current char and put in the EU char copy, if my dates are right.

Fecius · August 2015

Joy_Division wrote: »

I still do not know why ZoS has made a major effort at improving the itemization without doing a single thing to change the obsolete and very unbalanced trait system for weapons and armors

This is an ongoing prosess. You can't just "puffff" and "Job's done". There are some major changes in this update too by the way (nirnhorned).

HeroOfNone · August 2015

When the next build comes, will NA characters be wiped and EU characters come on? It's a bit annoying when we won't have a variety of sets to try out

Zheg · August 2015

Fecius wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I still do not know why ZoS has made a major effort at improving the itemization without doing a single thing to change the obsolete and very unbalanced trait system for weapons and armors

This is an ongoing prosess. You can't just "puffff" and "Job's done". There are some major changes in this update too by the way (nirnhorned).

Problem is, like many issues, they shouldn't have even been in the game at launch. The fact that they'd make pvp sets come with Sturdy says they didn't think through things at all and either assigned a random number generator or were blindfolded and swinging away at the balance pinata. /rant

As someone already posted, please give us the date when the new build will be available (once you have that info). As a related aside, I noticed some existing sets had changes made to them (Alteration Mastery went from 4% reduced costs to 6% reduced costs, etc.) that weren't in the patch notes. Jessica, if you can get us a list of these existing armor sets that had changes made to them, I'm sure we'd be happy to test those as well (and really, they should have been in the patch notes...).

Glory · August 2015

Please also itemize old sets (Draugr's Heritage, Necropotence, VDSA/Trials gear) as they are extremely valuable.

I will definitely be providing feedback, would you prefer it in a separate forum post or on this post?

Suntzu1414 · August 2015

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom when is this happening ??

Kill Well
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CP5 · August 2015

Random question, which 3 of these are the crafted ones?

Cuyler · August 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can you confirm which 11 existing sets will scale to v16 in the rewards for the worthy? Thanks

RoamingRiverElk · August 2015

Include some basic sets like Warlock/Healer and Shadow Walker in the premade templates too so that they can be combined with the new sets, please.

It would also be good if all veteran templates came with all the traits learned in crafting so we could craft any sets easily for testing.

Also... include more potions! 50 tristats is way too few. Include more like 500, and it'll be good.

ThatNeonZebraAgain · August 2015

How about feedback on changes to existing sets, such as the unnecessary nerf to Shalidor's Curse?

radicalb21 · August 2015

There is one set you missed The Essence Thief.

Joy_Division · August 2015

Fecius wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

I still do not know why ZoS has made a major effort at improving the itemization without doing a single thing to change the obsolete and very unbalanced trait system for weapons and armors

This is an ongoing prosess. You can't just "puffff" and "Job's done". There are some major changes in this update too by the way (nirnhorned).

It's not an "ongoing process" when the same obvious imbalances have remained in place since launch and when failing to address the issue compromises the very goal they seek, more interesting itemization.

Cinbri · August 2015

Without weapon/shield parts, sets loosing its power, number of sets combos is too small. Personally I won't use any of them coz this. Also Reactive Armor proccing if you stay inside Negate area even after Break Free, is it intended? Also stamina bonuses is useless for this set as you can forget about CC Break with it. Also wanna see improvement of 5 piece bonus of Nikula Set and added weapon part to it, just like jewlery to Syrabanne. With new block mechanic they are totally useless.

Merlin13KAGL · August 2015

CP5 wrote: »

Random question, which 3 of these are the crafted ones?

@CP5

Armor Master
Noble’s Conquest
Redistributor

I can save you some trouble, the only one of those that has any potential at all is Armor Master.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · August 2015

HeroOfNone wrote: »

When the next build comes, will NA characters be wiped and EU characters come on? It's a bit annoying when we won't have a variety of sets to try out

When we roll out our next PTS patch, which is scheduled for next week, all characters currently on the PTS will be wiped. At that time, characters from the live European megaserver will be copied over to the PTS and we'll implement the new VR16 character templates.

HeroOfNone · August 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

HeroOfNone wrote: »

When the next build comes, will NA characters be wiped and EU characters come on? It's a bit annoying when we won't have a variety of sets to try out

When we roll out our next PTS patch, which is scheduled for next week, all characters currently on the PTS will be wiped. At that time, characters from the live European megaserver will be copied over to the PTS and we'll implement the new VR16 character templates.

Care to mail use some of these sets this week? Like I said, won't have access to other craft able sets next week's with the baseline characters (with no trait research) and some of the prior sets. That means we're also less likely to point out broken builds.

Imdrefan · August 2015

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom it would be appreciated if we could have a list of the new sets with the bonuses.

Cuyler · August 2015

My initial thoughts on damage before in game testing:

Notable damage sets:
Magicka: Overwhelming, Scathing Mage, Willpower
Stamina: Essence Thief, Sheer venom, Molag Kena, Agility

notes:
molag kena - looks like a joke... who wants to do 3 consecutive light attacks? maybe an overload sorc idk
Sheer Venom - 5 pc bonus looks weak compared to other five pc bonuses of like sets.
Essence thief - weapon damage is too low for a 10% proc chance on LA only
Overwhelming - seems to be the only one you got right in the damage dept., we'll see if the 8% proc is alright I guess.
Scathing mage - again seems like it could be a winner but depends on the 10% proc again...we'll see.

All the other sets (damage) either looked situational or hybrid = if I could bet, i'd say not going to be used much. So ultimately, not much to see here. Which is why I'm looking for an answer on the existing "improved" sets and where they can be found or tested...because my bet is that most will ignore these new sets and continue with damage stacking.

Will v16 ravager and/or cyrodiil's light be available and only from the rewards of the worthy? Will v16 martial knowledge exist in cyrodiil chests? If yes, can they be provided in the v16 templates to compare to what you've listed here? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler

Ishammael · August 2015

There have been stealth changes to several existing sets, e.g. Arch Mage, alteration mastery, etc. Can we get a listing of these changes? Also, were new pieces added to other sets?

Finally, one of the largest itemization problems is the lack of jewelry and weapon options that span sets. Builds end up so similar because there Are only a couple of jewelry choices for both magicka and stamina builds: healer, warlock, and cyrodil's light for magicka; shadow walker, ravager, Hawks eye, and moral tong for stamina. (Yes I missed a few)

For instance, why not add rings to the adroitness set? An emu let to light of Cyrodil? Or jewelry For the quick serpent set? Identify sets that are desirable, but not used because they lack the flexibility to fit with other options.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · August 2015

We just edited the first post to add the "Essence Thief" item set to the list. We accidentally omitted it--sorry about that!

@HeroOfNone - Unfortunately, we don't have the means to send the new item set packs via mail on the PTS. For what it's worth, the item sets that come on the VR16 templates are tradeable, so you could create a template character then put the items in your bank to retrieve by another character.

Xsorus · August 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

There have been stealth changes to several existing sets, e.g. Arch Mage, alteration mastery, etc. Can we get a listing of these changes? Also, were new pieces added to other sets?

Finally, one of the largest itemization problems is the lack of jewelry and weapon options that span sets. Builds end up so similar because there Are only a couple of jewelry choices for both magicka and stamina builds: healer, warlock, and cyrodil's light for magicka; shadow walker, ravager, Hawks eye, and moral tong for stamina. (Yes I missed a few)

For instance, why not add rings to the adroitness set? An emu let to light of Cyrodil? Or jewelry For the quick serpent set? Identify sets that are desirable, but not used because they lack the flexibility to fit with other options.

I can second this, New sets really need Jewelry Options to make them decent like old sets. Because then you can mix and match them with old sets and crafted stuff.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

HeroOfNone · August 2015

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We just edited the first post to add the "Essence Thief" item set to the list. We accidentally omitted it--sorry about that!

@HeroOfNone - Unfortunately, we don't have the means to send the new item set packs via mail on the PTS. For what it's worth, the item sets that come on the VR16 templates are tradeable, so you could create a template character then put the items in your bank to retrieve by another character.

If we could at least have all traits research on the template characters that would at least help us out a bit. most of us won't be able to test out even ashen grip with these sets, let alone something like hundings rage or be able to craft any of the IC armor sets in various combos.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · August 2015

One more additional note: The VR16 template characters will also have the Agility, Endurance, and Willpower jewelry/weapon mini-sets.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom · August 2015

HeroOfNone wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We just edited the first post to add the "Essence Thief" item set to the list. We accidentally omitted it--sorry about that!

@HeroOfNone - Unfortunately, we don't have the means to send the new item set packs via mail on the PTS. For what it's worth, the item sets that come on the VR16 templates are tradeable, so you could create a template character then put the items in your bank to retrieve by another character.

If we could at least have all traits research on the template characters that would at least help us out a bit. most of us won't be able to test out even ashen grip with these sets, let alone something like hundings rage or be able to craft any of the IC armor sets in various combos.

We'll ask about this!

(Edit: Already got an answer back. This is something we very much want to add to PTS template characters in the future, but it's not something we currently have the ability to do.)

asneakybanana · August 2015

Not sure how the traits work on live but they seem to be random so are we going to get the perfect trait gear (ie. Infused on the big and divines on the small) or is it just going to be random traits. And please can we see the full list of set changes rather than just a couple? There are a ton of changes that aren't on there that are fairly important.

Ishammael · August 2015

Xsorus wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

There have been stealth changes to several existing sets, e.g. Arch Mage, alteration mastery, etc. Can we get a listing of these changes? Also, were new pieces added to other sets?

Finally, one of the largest itemization problems is the lack of jewelry and weapon options that span sets. Builds end up so similar because there Are only a couple of jewelry choices for both magicka and stamina builds: healer, warlock, and cyrodil's light for magicka; shadow walker, ravager, Hawks eye, and moral tong for stamina. (Yes I missed a few)

For instance, why not add rings to the adroitness set? An emu let to light of Cyrodil? Or jewelry For the quick serpent set? Identify sets that are desirable, but not used because they lack the flexibility to fit with other options.

I can second this, New sets really need Jewelry Options to make them decent like old sets. Because then you can mix and match them with old sets and crafted stuff.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Thanks, @Xsorus . Basically if they simply add jewelry to sets that already exist things would be much more interesting!