VR Difficulty change?

crislevin · May 2014

Estivara wrote: »

I asked in Zone Chat (VR5 in Bangkori) if any non S/B Templars were having trouble after today's update. I got 6 replies in under 10 seconds. I myself am having a hell of a time as 2H Templar, although I can squeak through 3 mobs about 33% of the time. I tried a "solo" dungeon and couldn't even make it past the first room.

So I went and took a look at twitch - I watched a VR10 engage 3 trash cats, wearing full purple heavy armor, with his shield up, and he got hit 6 times (twice from each cat) for 500 each, in under 2 seconds. Splat, dead.

How is this fun or fair? This is only a very brief survey of what's happening right this moment. This needs to be hotfixed ASAP.

yeah, death recap telling me normal mobs are hitting me for 400-1000 each. As if the armour is not even calculated in the damage mitigation.

phairdon · May 2014

Dreads the thought of encountering mobs with one or more healers

LonePirate · May 2014

Gisgo wrote: »

Why this wasnt on the PTS?
What happens between the PTS and the patch release?
Who trolled us?

I am convinced the PTS crowd doesn't actually test the game. Rather, they spend the entire time looking for ways to exploit the game and learn the new content so they can power through it. PTS testers, by and large, are a joke. Perhaps that is why the P is being changed from Private to Public with every subscriber being granted access to it in the future, per ZOS. Maybe then this game and its patches will actually receive some decent testing by actual players and fans of the game and ES in general.

Worstluck · May 2014

Yeah it's frustrating. I would like some kind of acknowledgement from anyone if this is a new feature or bug. I hope the latter. I can't my crit percentages to show up on the character screen; it's just blank there. I don't use recount or combat log addon so I can't tell if I am even critting for anything (my crit is pretty low anyways).

Ahh patches. They are always interesting to the say the least. My escape key also broke for a moment randomly in a menu.

mark2472 · May 2014

It appears there was somewhat of a buff to mobs outside of Veteran zones as well... I decided to level an alt, and since my main has already done the quests I've just been grinding to level this character. Last night, I levelled from level 28 to 29 grinding level 30 mobs, having no trouble with packs of three. I logged off as soon as I hit 29. Today, after the patch, those same mobs seem to be hitting harder and dying slower. I now run out of stamina before the mobs die, and the mobs hit hard enough (with armor over soft cap) to kill me before I can finish them off. I'm a level higher and nothing else has changed since last night, patch notes don't mention anything about the abilities I'm using being nerfed... so it seems all mobs may have received a buff.

PBpsy · May 2014

Ruddertail wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Ruddertail wrote: »

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Considering that this patch gives me an effective +10% spell crit, I doubt it'll take many more elemental rings to bring any group down, Worst case scenario? Put elemental drain on them first and the cost will be basically what it was before. Oh, the horror!

stop considering, and go play, when you crawl back, we will be kind

I will when the patch hits. If I have any issues whatsoever, I'll be sure to admit to it publicly in this thread.

PBpsy wrote: »

Ok I am now sure that it is a bug,

I went to Craglorn and went against a group of 4 scorpions they had 2.5k hp each they died from my usual approach. Humans in VR7 zones have 3.5k and I only manged to take out a 3 pack once by mistake.

...though this does make it seem like a bug, Craglorn mobs should be harder than V7, not easier.

Yes. It is a bug. I just took on a group of 8 VR11 bloodfiends with my NB siphoning tank but died against two beetles in Greenshade. The VR11 difficulty is where I would expect them to be considering the progression up to the patch. This is a progression hindering bug for anybody bellow VR10.

crislevin · May 2014

mark2472 wrote: »

It appears there was somewhat of a buff to mobs outside of Veteran zones as well... I decided to level an alt, and since my main has already done the quests I've just been grinding to level this character. Last night, I levelled from level 28 to 29 grinding level 30 mobs, having no trouble with packs of three. I logged off as soon as I hit 29. Today, after the patch, those same mobs seem to be hitting harder and dying slower. I now run out of stamina before the mobs die, and the mobs hit hard enough (with armor over soft cap) to kill me before I can finish them off. I'm a level higher and nothing else has changed since last night, patch notes don't mention anything about the abilities I'm using being nerfed... so it seems all mobs may have received a buff.

it would be ridiculous if they recoded damage mitigation completely wrong in this patch.

For a big operation to make such mistake, if it was a mistake, it just shows the level of (in)competence here.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

Mate all i know is , yesterday , i went into a solo dungeon , got it done , it was never easy , but done.

I entered the same dungeon today , could not get past the first pack on mobs.

Then i left the game.

PS: VR9

phairdon · May 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

Ruddertail wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

Ruddertail wrote: »

Perhaps. Perhaps not. Considering that this patch gives me an effective +10% spell crit, I doubt it'll take many more elemental rings to bring any group down, Worst case scenario? Put elemental drain on them first and the cost will be basically what it was before. Oh, the horror!

stop considering, and go play, when you crawl back, we will be kind

I will when the patch hits. If I have any issues whatsoever, I'll be sure to admit to it publicly in this thread.

PBpsy wrote: »

Ok I am now sure that it is a bug,

I went to Craglorn and went against a group of 4 scorpions they had 2.5k hp each they died from my usual approach. Humans in VR7 zones have 3.5k and I only manged to take out a 3 pack once by mistake.

...though this does make it seem like a bug, Craglorn mobs should be harder than V7, not easier.

Yes. It is a bug. I just took on a group of 8 VR11 bloodfiends with my NB siphoning tank but died against two beetles in Greenshade. The VR11 difficulty is where I would expect them to be considering the progression up to the patch. This is a progression hindering bug for anybody bellow VR10.

Some of the creatures in this game did insane amounts of damage before this patch. Been more than once I've had to sprint away from a couple of imps or the likes before being killed. Yet i could take down trash mobs on my own with little trouble.
Imagine how much of an issue trying to kill trolls or gargoyles will be now

Soliduparrow · May 2014

I'm a nightblade. Normally my surprise attack will take off 60-75% of their health. Now it is taking off like 20%.

I have a dps meter which shows me my surprise attacks are doing the same amount. I don't have mob HP information but it seems like it went way up.

It is such a huge pain in the ass. Takes forever to kill. Luckily I can just sneak by most everything otherwise I would quit. VR levels were already a chore but now it is like i'm doing slave labor.

Sunrock · May 2014

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

My god, solo in VR is pretty much impossible now. This isn't from a boss but just standard enemies. I mean really? I don't even have an attack that can do that kind of damage. 1048 damage on a single attack? This isn't a boss!

Well first of all you could have easily avoided the volley damage. Stop standing in AOE markers, it's a start.

Swordguy · May 2014

Rosanna_Foxfire wrote: »

I will say this, I love how some folks are overreacting over something that's clearly an unintentional bug.

and how do you suppose we inform them about it?

the reaction will always equal the initial action, intentional or not.

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

Sunrock wrote: »

ThatArgonianGuy wrote: »

My god, solo in VR is pretty much impossible now. This isn't from a boss but just standard enemies. I mean really? I don't even have an attack that can do that kind of damage. 1048 damage on a single attack? This isn't a boss!

Well first of all you could have easily avoided the volley damage. Stop standing in AOE markers, it's a start.

It was in a tight area with nowhere to go. Still it would not have made a difference if they used normal attacks. They are still way too hard.

Worstluck · May 2014

I got one shot by a charge from a VR10 normal skeleton warrior NPC. I was blocking but just short of stam I guess. Usually this would just knock me down but it just killed me....grrr.

tilolyen_ESO · May 2014

Well first of all you could have easily avoided the volley damage. Stop standing in AOE markers, it's a start.

Blaming the victim excuse at its finest.

Vlaxitov · May 2014

Yesterday I could solo the V3 PVE content.

Today I cannot and its super frustrating.

KhajiitiLizard · May 2014

I can't take this crap.

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO · May 2014

Just logged on to test out a Vet 2 area.

3 NPC's are no longer soloable. 2 NPC's are very challenging without taking a potion every single time.

But two-handed with heavy armour was always useless anyway, so...not surprised. Now you just have to stand around waiting for help all the time, instead of just some of the time.

Logged out.

Slash8915 · May 2014

I think I'm done playing until they fix this issue. Buffed mobs along with what appears to be a cooldown timer on all abilities makes this an impossible game to do solo.

kasain · May 2014

Mobs can be killed no problem. But eso took out the part of enjoyment of relaxation and enjoyment in the game. Replaced it with high tension and frustration. I perfer playing a game I can feel relaxed and I am not nerfed as a player every week.

phairdon · May 2014

michaelpatrickjonesnub18_ESO wrote: »

Just logged on to test out a Vet 2 area.

3 NPC's are no longer soloable. 2 NPC's are very challenging without taking a potion every single time.

But two-handed with heavy armour was always useless anyway, so...not surprised. Now you just have to stand around waiting for help all the time, instead of just some of the time.

Logged out.

Haha; getting help in this game can be more challenging than any enemy we face.

Sunrock · May 2014

Well if you can't solo solo content in the game then something is wrong. Was it intended to make all veteran rank content group content? Or did they make all veteran rank mobs think they are in Craglorn by mistake?

Swordguy · May 2014

Worstluck wrote: »

This can't be intended. Seems like a pretty large change to just slip in.

Maybe ZOS can shed some light? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

you wont get a response in this thread from anyone at zenimax.

the best we will get, is a closed thread with a single post by someone at Zenimax, along the lines of "we have heard from some players that there seems to be an issue with vr mob difficulty. the issue is being looked into, we hope everyone enjoys their time in tamriel."

In over a decade of playing mmo's, I've seen this type of response 100's of times.

ShADoW0s · May 2014

Man Im going to buckets of lube, still not working.

Vuron · May 2014

LonePirate wrote: »

Gisgo wrote: »

Why this wasnt on the PTS?
What happens between the PTS and the patch release?
Who trolled us?

I am convinced the PTS crowd doesn't actually test the game. Rather, they spend the entire time looking for ways to exploit the game and learn the new content so they can power through it. PTS testers, by and large, are a joke. Perhaps that is why the P is being changed from Private to Public with every subscriber being granted access to it in the future, per ZOS. Maybe then this game and its patches will actually receive some decent testing by actual players and fans of the game and ES in general.

Screw you. You're nothing but a jealous prick that didn't get invited to PTS and wants to blame them for your shortcomings.

I can tell you for a fact that we've had these same issues on PTS for months. We've submitted tons of bug reports and feedback reports just to see things not get fixed, or even worse, to see changes go in the opposite direction. I've been playing a Nightblade since July and have begged for changes and fixes. Many, many of the testers quit a month before release in disgust over this crap. I know many people that tested over a year that have left in the last month.

I, personally, posted on the PTS forums before launch asking what the purpose of having us as testers if they weren't going to listen.

Stop crying about the testers.

Spidermonk · May 2014

Oh cool, I thought I was the only one finding VR a bit more difficult...I thought I was just that terrible.

Drazhar14 · May 2014

I don't understand, how does Zmax think this is fun? Making players frustrated is not providing challenge! Introduce new tactics and abilities for enemies, don't buff their stats to ridiculous amounts...

elorei · May 2014

Ruddertail wrote: »

Put elemental drain on them first and the cost will be basically what it was before. Oh, the horror!

Drain nerfed, also, by the way. I was getting 35 magicka per hit, now I get 18. It is worthless now. Oh, and yeah, impulse and its morphs are almost doubled in magicka costs.

Worstluck · May 2014

I am having an easier time soloing in Craglorn than in the Rift

stevenpotter321b14_ESO · May 2014

Worstluck wrote: »

I am having an easier time soloing in Craglorn than in the Rift

Yep, mobs have less hp, deal less damage, etc. You just gotta watch for if its a pack of 3 or a pack of 6.