Dungeon Speed-run etiquette

spartaxoxo · April 13

OP wanted to grab quest but couldn't.

One person didn't want to wait because of time.

Two other people were there. They went along but their opinion of what went down is unknown.

Anything else is assumption.

Edit: Last I'll say on that particular point.

Dax_Draconis · April 13

oddbasket wrote: »

Yes, it is an entitled opinion to view the random in random queue as do anything you want, when the intentional mechanic of the random queue is to provide bonus rewards and a faster queue time as an incentive to fill a specific spot in a specific group.

When you queue random and get a dungeon, that dungeon isn't random, someone have to had queued for that dungeon specifically. The random is the filler to the main group.

Speed runners who queue for random shouldn't be telling the player who queued for specific dungeon to leave if they didn't like it and Hijack the run as the filler. It should be the other way round, if the player who queued for specific wants to do the quest, the filler who didn't like it should leave instead.

Agreed. When I queue for a random dungeon, I accept that I am there to fill a spot for someone else's specific dungeon queue and follow along whether it is quest run or a speed run. If I am queueing for a specific dungeon then it is because I am needing something specific and expect to be able to complete my goal.

spartaxoxo · April 13

Dax_Draconis wrote: »

oddbasket wrote: »

Yes, it is an entitled opinion to view the random in random queue as do anything you want, when the intentional mechanic of the random queue is to provide bonus rewards and a faster queue time as an incentive to fill a specific spot in a specific group.

When you queue random and get a dungeon, that dungeon isn't random, someone have to had queued for that dungeon specifically. The random is the filler to the main group.

Speed runners who queue for random shouldn't be telling the player who queued for specific dungeon to leave if they didn't like it and Hijack the run as the filler. It should be the other way round, if the player who queued for specific wants to do the quest, the filler who didn't like it should leave instead.

Agreed. When I queue for a random dungeon, I accept that I am there to fill a spot for someone else's specific dungeon queue and follow along whether it is quest run or a speed run. If I am queueing for a specific dungeon then it is because I am needing something specific and expect to be able to complete my goal.

I hang back a second to see if anyone needs the quest. If not, I prefer speed. But, I don't want players to miss their quest. I'm not going to wait around for them to listen to all dialogue though.

Amottica · April 13

spartaxoxo wrote: »

OP wanted to grab quest but couldn't.

One person didn't want to wait because of time.

Two other people were there. They went along but their opinion of what went down is unknown.

Anything else is assumption.

Edit: Last I'll say on that particular point.

Sure, we can assume that two merely went along with the one person who said "THEY" did not have time but that is embellishing upon the information that OP provided to us.

Going based on what OP provided us it was "THEY did not have time" and nothing was provided to contradict that.

My comment here is 100% accurate based on the only information provided to us. Have a good day.

Desiato · April 13

It's interesting to return to the game after being away for years and see so many debates from years past ongoing.

IMO, everyone needs to take ownership if their individual decision to use the dungeon finder and understand it is possible, if not likely, to be grouped with players whose values and goals don't align with one's own.

We must respect that other players have great latitude to play how they want to. We should never expect courtesies.

This is a matter that will never be settled externally.

I did some dungeon grinding recently, and I found the vast majority were very mechanically forgiving of players like me who needed the quest. I only recall an issue with a few older dungeons. I always mentioned at the start of a dungeon if I was on the quest and found most other players were decent about it.

spartaxoxo · April 13

Amottica wrote: »

Going based on what OP provided us it was "THEY did not have time" and nothing was provided to contradict that.

They was in reference to the 1600+ CP player. They didn't use gendered pronouns because the gender is not known.

"Someone left their bag at the gym."

"They said this and that to me."

They is not automatically plural and the original subject was "the 1600 CP" which as written is singular.

It's a reasonable assumption that since the other group members went along with it, they agreed. But an assumption nonetheless. We know the actions of the other two players, but not their motives. Since their opinion was not explained to us. It is not known. Perhaps Soma will chime again at some point and clear it up. Until such time, there's not much point in further discussion on this. So I will bow out. I only responded this time because I wanted to clear up that "they" can be both plural or singular.

SonOfSoma · April 14

I am using "they" in a singular sense.

This one player rushed off and initiated the "speed-run".

There is one piece of information I didn't state in the original script...
Initially the healer waited with me for a few seconds but then took off to obviously catch the other two players.

I do not know whether the third player was a friend of the "speed-runner", was wanting to speed-run or simple just felt like that person had to rush because the other player did.

spartaxoxo · April 14

SonOfSoma wrote: »

I am using "they" in a singular sense.

This one player rushed off and initiated the "speed-run".

There is one piece of information I didn't state in the original script...
Initially the healer waited with me for a few seconds but then took off to obviously catch the other two players.

I do not know whether the third player was a friend of the "speed-runner", was wanting to speed-run or simple just felt like that person had to rush because the other player did.

Thank you for the clarification.

Muriel_La_Strega · April 14

I am a runner in random dungeons, cause there are lot of things to do, and not so much time, and after 2 years of same dungeons is quite boring do all adds, all secondary bossess ecc ecc. BUT if someone type Quest i always wait for him, and if someone doesnt know mech i try to help. On the other hand it happened that while i was doing quest with a new char, i skipped a secondary boss that was unuseful both for quest and complete Activity, and then kicked because "my girlfriend is new to the game and wanna see all". Ok, no problem, but if you wanna take a tour why dont you tell to others instead of kicking without a single word?

Amottica · April 14

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Going based on what OP provided us it was "THEY did not have time" and nothing was provided to contradict that.

They was in reference to the 1600+ CP player. They didn't use gendered pronouns because the gender is not known.

"Someone left their bag at the gym."

"They said this and that to me."

They is not automatically plural and the original subject was "the 1600 CP" which as written is singular.

It's a reasonable assumption that since the other group members went along with it, they agreed. But an assumption nonetheless. We know the actions of the other two players, but not their motives. Since their opinion was not explained to us. It is not known. Perhaps Soma will chime again at some point and clear it up. Until such time, there's not much point in further discussion on this. So I will bow out. I only responded this time because I wanted to clear up that "they" can be both plural or singular.

It is an assumption that is the reason the word they was used just as it is an assumption that nothing was mentioned about the other two speaking up means they did not agree with the speed run yet went along.

Nothing stated even suggests either point which is why it can only be categorized as an assumption. Great example of what an assumption is