GAMEBREAKING: Please nerf hirelings ASAP, or get rid of them altogether.

Laharl_Overlord · May 2014

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

I am assume most of you are low level (VR1 or lower). Let me explain: I was aware of the hireling spam theory at launch and immediately made alts and put hirelings on all of them. From launch to this day, I have received 16 tempering alloys via mail. Once I started getting them I was excited and thought I was really clever.

Now I am VR10. Two days ago I started seriously farming Void stone nodes in my VR9 zone. Since I started farming them I have received 6 tempering alloys via the refinement process.

6 in 48 hours VS 16 in 720 hours. See that? Mail is a SUPPLEMENT to the most effective way of getting mats which is getting out in the world and collecting resources. Mail also gives the ability to plays who don't play as often as me a chance to get Legendary items before endgame to help them on their journey.

On a related not it takes 8 tempering allows to give you a 100% shot at a legendary item (more if you don't have all the crafting perks yet). So 30 days of hireling spam = 2 legendary items?

Non-issue.

I don't generally get 6 tempering alloys within 48 hours from hirelings, but sometimes I do. I always get 6 or more legendaries within that time frame, and I can trade the clothier and woodworking legends for tempering alloys, thus getting more than 6 in 48 hours. You're seriously farming void stones, I'm doing basically nothing and I'm getting more than you.

AngryWolf · May 2014

For those that don't get to play that often, hirelings are a godsend. Thanks Bethesda/Zenimax. Keep'em please.

alive741 · May 2014

I think the hireling nerf was more than sufficient..I open a string of bags and wind up with nothing but racial mats and 5-10 of each raw material somedays. I've seen 3 or 4 that had nothing except 5 raw material. And I'm near positive I got an empty bag once..but can't say with 100% certainty.

Edited to add that they are level 3 hirelings.

poodlemasterb16_ESO · May 2014

Hi ***. Gotta go get my mail.

Epsilon_Echo · May 2014

Daverios wrote: »

I got 6 Tempering Alloy[3/8 boxes each contained 2] (Hireling 3/3) yesterday on my Primary account. And another 1 on my alt account(Hireling 1/3) yesterday in one day in 24 HOURS.

If you only got 16 since launch than you are doing it wrong, or only hit 3/3 smiting hiring like an hour ago. You are likley opening the chest on the WRONG toon. You do not open on your alt ONLY your main.

I got more than you and put in nil effort =/ As with most things if life, if you are putting in the most effort (harvesting for 6 hours) it is FAR FAR FAR from the most efficient.

I may only be V1 but have a much firmer grasp on the gain in crafting mats than you.

I am more worried you are v10 though and have 6 hours to straight up harvest .... someone here is more adverse to the sun than a Vampire.

I have 8 toons. My main opens every piece of mail and has 3/3 hireling perk and has had 3/3 for almost 4 weeks now. All my other toons have 1/3.

I never said I harvest 6 hours a day. Just that I got 6 tempers in two days (48hrs, I was trying to make it comparable in my example to the time frame of hirelings). I spent maybe an hour both of those days harvesting before going about my gaming business. So actually I spent 2 hours and got 6 tempers.

All you've done, besides trying to assert that I play too much, is prove that you are simply luckier that I am. To back up your claims (and disprove mine) you will need a bigger sample to compare data from. I have talked around my guild of about 50 people and they all have had similar results to mine.

Laharl_Overlord · May 2014

Epsilon_Echo wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

I got 6 Tempering Alloy[3/8 boxes each contained 2] (Hireling 3/3) yesterday on my Primary account. And another 1 on my alt account(Hireling 1/3) yesterday in one day in 24 HOURS.

If you only got 16 since launch than you are doing it wrong, or only hit 3/3 smiting hiring like an hour ago. You are likley opening the chest on the WRONG toon. You do not open on your alt ONLY your main.

I got more than you and put in nil effort =/ As with most things if life, if you are putting in the most effort (harvesting for 6 hours) it is FAR FAR FAR from the most efficient.

I may only be V1 but have a much firmer grasp on the gain in crafting mats than you.

I am more worried you are v10 though and have 6 hours to straight up harvest .... someone here is more adverse to the sun than a Vampire.

I have 8 toons. My main opens every piece of mail and has 3/3 hireling perk and has had 3/3 for almost 4 weeks now. All my other toons have 1/3.

I never said I harvest 6 hours a day. Just that I got 6 tempers in two days (48hrs, I was trying to make it comparable in my example to the time frame of hirelings). I spent maybe an hour both of those days harvesting before going about my gaming business. So actually I spent 2 hours and got 6 tempers.

All you've done, besides trying to assert that I play too much, is prove that you are simply luckier that I am. To back up your claims (and disprove mine) you will need a bigger sample to compare data from. I have talked around my guild of about 50 people and they all have had similar results to mine.

I've learned that very few people seem to understand how this works from this thread. Even people in my own guild whom I posted the information for on our fb page. Most people come into this thread and just say yeah, hirelings suck, having only a couple hirelings.

But the few I know who do the method correctly always get at least 6 legendaries every 2 days. You said you've been "seriously farming void stones". The fact is we're getting more than you and we're doing absolutely nothing but collecting mail.

Fairydragon3 · May 2014

this is what it would take to do this.
Level 8 Characters (have one handle all your crafting)
the other 7 will also need to raise their crafting skill, in order to invest the points
it takes a bunch of Legendary upgrade items to upgrade at least one item, regardless of skill points invested

looks like to me this has been though out. and just because you have legendary armor, doesn't mean it will work well with your build, mess it up you got to make new armor.

mfischer303b14_ESO · May 2014

and putting 2 points into a Hireling doesnt get you a Item a few minutes later its 24hours!!! 3 points is 12hours. QUIT complaining people about HIRELINGS, its been 4 days since I have gotten pepper from my hireling, 2days for oats, 1 for tomatos!!!, FIND something else to complain about people Nothing wrong with Hirelings. Its not like 1 item you can up grade a item with, you need 10 for 100% chance. Have fun with that.

Fexcad · May 2014

If you think more than 10% of all gold mats come from hirelings, you really need to take a step back and try to understand how the economy works at the moment. Maybe you'll realize how moronic is it say hirelings are "game breaking".

Daverios · May 2014

Fexcad wrote: »

If you think more than 10% of all gold mats come from hirelings, you really need to take a step back and try to understand how the economy works at the moment. Maybe you'll realize how moronic is it say hirelings are "game breaking".

If you take a step back snd realize this was posted on day two it was game breaking. Now we had THIS very thing lead to two dupe exploits directly. The guild bank dupe as where do you think people got enough legendary mats to even find out stacking and unstacking in guild bank resulted in a dupe. Secondly the hireling mail dupe which presented the exact same problem as this only magnified and the servers were brought offline to fix both of those.

At this point I agree there is little point to fixing this. I will never ever want for upgrade mats as I have enough banked in two accounts for a lifetime. The economy around crafting has already been trashed to the point of uselessnes due directly to this, cannot see it getting much worse than legendary = less gold than I can make in a 10 minute farm of any public dungeon. Do you see that as balanced? Or broken? Choose one.

Ps. If you think 10% of mats purple or yellow come from hirlings you are dead wrong. I have gotten more like 75-80% of purple n yelliw mats this way compared to refining.

Milanna · May 2014

Daverios wrote: »

The guild bank dupe as where do you think people got enough legendary mats to even find out stacking and unstacking in guild bank resulted in a dupe.

Farming mats, refining, farming public dungeons and deconstructing?

Daverios · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

The guild bank dupe as where do you think people got enough legendary mats to even find out stacking and unstacking in guild bank resulted in a dupe.

Farming mats, refining, farming public dungeons and deconstructing?

All of which produce less than farming hireling on multiple accounts and swapping to main accounts ... hello gold farmers ... they discovered the dupe and NOT players deconstructing. Granted they would have probably in time but not by Day 5 which is about when it was discovered.

Milanna · May 2014

Daverios wrote: »

All of which produce less than farming hireling on multiple accounts. ... hello gold farmers ... they discovered the dupe.

I suppose you have numbers on that. Other than you own.

Daverios · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

All of which produce less than farming hireling on multiple accounts. ... hello gold farmers ... they discovered the dupe.

I suppose you have numbers on that. Other than you own.

Actually I do. Check out Owned Core dot com and read their forums starting at the beginning of ESO launch or even just before.

You will see both dupes posted there before they were public knowledge.

Milanna · May 2014

I think you need to acctually present the numbers here if you want your point to be valid.
I have never read a scientific article where the author leaves out her statistics with a side note: you can find at owned core dot com.

Alephen · May 2014

the longer the OP pushes this, the more convinced i am they have banks full of duped mats.

seriously, actively pushing this thread for over a month now? whether you think drops are too highor not high enough, that someone would care that one can get good mats simply by having a master crafter enough to log in consistently for a full month?

or someone has banks full of mats and wants mats drops significantly lowered. might increase the value of those mats. 100x100 bank slots = 10k of course they likely would have much larger banks, plus alts, maybe even second accounts for additional slots?

which of the above would have more incentive?

the OP obviously visits, or has friends that visit the sites where dupes were posted, thus being able to advertise for it 2 posts above. i find this all suspicious.

best way to fight dupes is to up the drop rates of duped mats. (well, second best way, fixing them when they were first reported would have been nice too.)

Daverios · May 2014

Alephen wrote: »

the longer the OP pushes this, the more convinced i am they have banks full of duped mats.

seriously, actively pushing this thread for over a month now? whether you think drops are too highor not high enough, that someone would care that one can get good mats simply by having a master crafter enough to log in consistently for a full month?

or someone has banks full of mats and wants mats drops significantly lowered. might increase the value of those mats. 100x100 bank slots = 10k of course they likely would have much larger banks, plus alts, maybe even second accounts for additional slots?

which of the above would have more incentive?

the OP obviously visits, or has friends that visit the sites where dupes were posted, thus being able to advertise for it 2 posts above. i find this all suspicious.

best way to fight dupes is to up the drop rates of duped mats. (well, second best way, fixing them when they were first reported would have been nice too.)

What do you not understand about having posted this on day fricken two?

You are openly accusing me of maliciousness and think they should take action against me because I raise an issue on day 2!

I am getting real sick of these attacks. You need to read the thread better and also the TOS as attacking others and calling for others to be banned is exactly against them. Your post has been reported and if need be I will get on the phone with ZOS to stop these attacks.

redwoodtreesprite · May 2014

LOL, anyone can phone ZOS. Sounds nice and intimidating to say it though, doesn't it?

What concerns many of us is the zealousness that some have to nerf the hirelings. If ZOS did what you want, it would hurt the average crafter more than players like you. But hey, if the gear decay problem doesn't get fixed, no one is going to care about using those rare mats anyway. Basic crafted on-level gear, and break it down in an hour when it wears to nothing...

Daverios · May 2014

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

LOL, anyone can phone ZOS. Sounds nice and intimidating to say it though, doesn't it?

What concerns many of us is the zealousness that some have to nerf the hirelings. If ZOS did what you want, it would hurt the average crafter more than players like you. But hey, if the gear decay problem doesn't get fixed, no one is going to care about using those rare mats anyway. Basic crafted on-level gear, and break it down in an hour when it wears to nothing...

I am the average crafter you nit. Or at least I was. Now everyone does every craft because hey mats are dirt cheap and worthless as you say and it only took 30 days to trivialize end game gear. Badically we are all now super crafters. GG.

So please tell me what are 'players like me'?

ChairGraveyard · May 2014

Rank 3 in extraction + an inventory of items and/or ore will net you more legendary tempers than this method in less time.

Daverios · May 2014

ChairGraveyard wrote: »

Rank 3 in extraction + an inventory of items and/or ore will net you more legendary tempers than this method in less time.

Clearly you cannot read.

No you will not unless you spend all day hatvesting. Read the thread, this was already disproven where have you been?

Milanna · May 2014

Daverios wrote: »

I am the average crafter you nit. Or at least I was. Now everyone does every craft because hey mats are dirt cheap and worthless as you say and it only took 30 days to trivialize end game gear. Badically we are all now super crafters. GG.

So please tell me what are 'players like me'?

So, you hoarded mats from hierlings using two accounts, then you realized everyone does the same and you want it nerfed?

You do realize the problem is the duping bug, not the hierlings, right?

(Ok, maybe everyone doesn´t use two accounts.)

Arsvita · May 2014

Alephen wrote: »

the longer the OP pushes this, the more convinced i am they have banks full of duped mats.

seriously, actively pushing this thread for over a month now? whether you think drops are too highor not high enough, that someone would care that one can get good mats simply by having a master crafter enough to log in consistently for a full month?

or someone has banks full of mats and wants mats drops significantly lowered. might increase the value of those mats. 100x100 bank slots = 10k of course they likely would have much larger banks, plus alts, maybe even second accounts for additional slots?

which of the above would have more incentive?

the OP obviously visits, or has friends that visit the sites where dupes were posted, thus being able to advertise for it 2 posts above. i find this all suspicious.

I see, and wondered, what you are stating. I too have questioned this.

Guild banks are mentioned in these duping rituals, but i do not know as I am in a small guild. I have also made comment that I believe large guilds are a great place for gold sellers to sell goods. How many large guilds with banks know every single guild member? I get guild invites all the time from people I do not know.

OP claims to have two accounts, as for friends visiting or mates ... , this allows for extra postings which could be more "anonymous".

Please note, out of curiosity, and what appears double speak ... and the blatant insults below.

Daverios wrote: »

What do you not understand about having posted this on day fricken two?

You are openly accusing me of maliciousness and think they should take action against me because I raise an issue on day 2!

I am getting real sick of these attacks. You need to read the thread better and also the TOS as attacking others and calling for others to be banned is exactly against them. Your post has been reported and if need be I will get on the phone with ZOS to stop these attacks.

I notice the double speak of the claims "accusing", "attacks", more, and "me" Then using threats directed at Alphen claiming he personally attacked Dev, upon a thread mentioning the OP, while blatantly attacking and insulting Alephen.

This is insane, out of hand, and uncalled for.

Calling someone names and saying that they therefore know nothing and that's that is really ... more than a childish tantrum. There is no debate, just an I'm right and you're an expletive, so that proves I must be right. Shame.

If these dupes are the root cause of the desired nerfing of Hirelings, of which my mail has only been able to opened by the crafter that the Hireling belongs to, then lets just solve this in a much more understandable way.
Then Nerf the Guild banks and the ability to dupe should be taken care of. The banks are cumbersome and already open to abuse, so hammer time.

Please. Honest, insightful if possible, and creative responses are always the best.

We are all different with different beliefs and opinions, what we know, and that cumulative experience for what we believe is the truth.

Zos has said there was a duping problem. This appears (I do not know) to work in guild banks. The items are crafting items you can receive from rough materials, deconstruction, and Hirelings.

Why attack Hirelings when they were said, by a previous post, to be working as intended by Zos?

Thank you all, sorry for any long posts (I really hate them).
Happy Hunting and most of all, Have Fun!

Daverios · May 2014

Arsvita wrote: »

Alephen wrote: »

the longer the OP pushes this, the more convinced i am they have banks full of duped mats.

seriously, actively pushing this thread for over a month now? whether you think drops are too highor not high enough, that someone would care that one can get good mats simply by having a master crafter enough to log in consistently for a full month?

or someone has banks full of mats and wants mats drops significantly lowered. might increase the value of those mats. 100x100 bank slots = 10k of course they likely would have much larger banks, plus alts, maybe even second accounts for additional slots?

which of the above would have more incentive?

the OP obviously visits, or has friends that visit the sites where dupes were posted, thus being able to advertise for it 2 posts above. i find this all suspicious.

I see, and wondered, what you are stating. I too have questioned this.

Guild banks are mentioned in these duping rituals, but i do not know as I am in a small guild. I have also made comment that I believe large guilds are a great place for gold sellers to sell goods. How many large guilds with banks know every single guild member? I get guild invites all the time from people I do not know.

OP claims to have two accounts, as for friends visiting or mates ... , this allows for extra postings which could be more "anonymous".

Please note, out of curiosity, and what appears double speak ... and the blatant insults below.

Daverios wrote: »

Are you mental? Dropped on your head as a baby? Have some extra chromosomes?

What do you not understand about having posted this on day fricken two?

You are openly accusing me of maliciousness and think they should take action against me because I raise an issue on day 2!

I am getting real sick of these attacks. You need to read the thread better and also the TOS as attacking others and calling for others to be banned is exactly against them. Your post has been reported and if need be I will get on the phone with ZOS to stop these attacks.

I notice the double speak of the claims "accusing", "attacks", more, and "me" Then using threats directed at Alphen claiming he personally attacked Dev, upon a thread mentioning the OP, while blatantly attacking and insulting Alephen.

This is insane, out of hand, and uncalled for.

Calling someone names and saying that they therefore know nothing and that's that is really ... more than a childish tantrum. There is no debate, just an I'm right and you're an expletive, so that proves I must be right. Shame.

If these dupes are the root cause of the desired nerfing of Hirelings, of which my mail has only been able to opened by the crafter that the Hireling belongs to, then lets just solve this in a much more understandable way.
Then Nerf the Guild banks and the ability to dupe should be taken care of. The banks are cumbersome and already open to abuse, so hammer time.

Please. Honest, insightful if possible, and creative responses are always the best.

We are all different with different beliefs and opinions, what we know, and that cumulative experience for what we believe is the truth.

Zos has said there was a duping problem. This appears (I do not know) to work in guild banks. The items are crafting items you can receive from rough materials, deconstruction, and Hirelings.

Why attack Hirelings when they were said, by a previous post, to be working as intended by Zos?

Thank you all, sorry for any long posts (I really hate them).
Happy Hunting and most of all, Have Fun!

Why would you even post when clearly you have no clue and did not read the entire thread.

1) zos has NEVER stated this is working as intended but have stated they are looking at it.

2) Claiming you can only open on crafter who recieved the mail is both stupid and wrong. It should be that way BUT it is not AND that is the problem. Like seriously.

You clearly do not understand. Go now and learn and open your eyes.

Like I said getting real sick of people who are obviously not smart enough to grasp the issue claiming ME to be malicious. Last Time I EVER point out an issue jesus flipping christ.

Milanna · May 2014

@Daverios‌
You really enjoy calling people names and all you ever seem to blurt out is that people have no clue. When you say that way to often you gotta stop and think if it is really them or if it is in fact you that has issues.

Daverios · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

@Daverios‌
You really enjoy calling people names and all you ever seem to blurt out is that people have no clue. When you say that way to often you gotta stop and think if it is really them or if it is in fact you that has issues.

No I am positive it is you. My bank full of mats that I never put more than 30 minutes of effort is all I need to tell me so.

alphawolph · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

@Daverios‌
You really enjoy calling people names and all you ever seem to blurt out is that people have no clue. When you say that way to often you gotta stop and think if it is really them or if it is in fact you that has issues.

I know right. He is losing it.

Daverios · May 2014

alphawolph wrote: »

Milanna wrote: »

@Daverios‌
You really enjoy calling people names and all you ever seem to blurt out is that people have no clue. When you say that way to often you gotta stop and think if it is really them or if it is in fact you that has issues.

I know right. He is losing it.

Na yoy might have rustled my jimmies but I will just ignore you. Unfortunately I am forced to see your obvious attacks on the forums. Time to see if something can be done about that.

Milanna · May 2014

@Daverios‌
It was wise of you to edit your comments. Some of the things you said were not something anyone would be caught dead saying.

Daverios · May 2014

Milanna wrote: »

@Daverios‌
It was wise of you to edit your comments. Some of the things you said were not something anyone would be caught dead saying.

Lol what edit?

No matter have already alerted ZOS managment to the attacks and false accusations you are throwing around as instructed and have nothing further to say to you as you are obviously just trolling and attempt to work me up.

Have a nice day

Mods:

Dan should have just recieved an email from me to his account. Might be worth talking to him. Just a heads up to avoid confusion as he asked I specifically talk to him if I have any issues with others attacking or bullying on the forums and this certainly qualifies. Would love an option to ignore these people.

Thanks.