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Free Deadlands DLC
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spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jad11mumbler wrote: »method__01 wrote: »the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?
1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.
2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.
As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.
It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.
Owning its vs renting it is irrelevant for us who don't plan on unsubscribing until we stop playing.
Owning a small zone dlc is also irrelevant because there's no reason to go back there after you complete it in the first week or two, other than the events Zos does for zones every so often.
For us year long subs, "owning it" is worthless.
I am a currently on a year long sub and I find owning it to be a good thing. But then I still play if I let my sub lapse.
I think the only part that sucks was the decision to make it a mystery prize. That did lead to me being a little disappointed. It was the whole waiting around for a huge prize only to get a small one that really curdled my grits, but it was truly free stuff for me anyhow since I already had the achievement. So idc that much
Anyway it's not all the subs that have a problem with this, not even the year longs.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 3, 2021 10:24AM1 -
jad11mumbler✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefits
Monthly contract owners have lost nothing and are not entitled (or even expect) some kind of compensatory reward.
Then zos shouldn't of marketed as a "Incredible mystery reward" for an event, supposedly, based on the community coming together to achieve a goal, while alienating a large portion of the community.
[snip]
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2021 10:46AM174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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jad11mumbler✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »method__01 wrote: »the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?
1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.
2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.
As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.
It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.
Owning its vs renting it is irrelevant for us who don't plan on unsubscribing until we stop playing.
Owning a small zone dlc is also irrelevant because there's no reason to go back there after you complete it in the first week or two, other than the events Zos does for zones every so often.
For us year long subs, "owning it" is worthless.
I am a currently on a year long sub and I find owning it to be a good thing. But then I still play if I let my sub lapse.
I think the only part that sucks was the decision to make it a mystery prize. That did lead to me being a little disappointed. It was the whole waiting around for a huge prize only to get a small one that really curdled my grits, but it was truly free stuff for me anyhow since I already had the achievement. So idc that much
Anyway it's not all the subs that have a problem with this, not even the year longs.
and for those of us who don't let our sub lapse, owning it or not doesn't make a difference.
It'll be even worse for us who also buy the collectors editions if we like the mount and pet.174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭jad11mumbler wrote: »_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefits
Monthly contract owners have lost nothing and are not entitled (or even expect) some kind of compensatory reward.
Then zos shouldn't of marketed as a "Incredible mystery reward" for an event, supposedly, based on the community coming together to achieve a goal, while alienating a large portion of the community.
[snip]
that's what i said, ambiguous. No need to overreact, the world did not end, you didn't lose anything and gained a small bonus plus others in OUR community got a nice reward. [snip]
[edited for baiting & to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2021 12:37PM0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jad11mumbler wrote: »spartaxoxo wrote: »jad11mumbler wrote: »method__01 wrote: »the sub ppl dont have a prob with community,they are big part of,just want equal treatment
how gifting something i already have is a gift?
1st of all you don't own content even if you are a sub player you don't own it until you buy it in the crown store aka real money and honest I think it is nice that gave away for free and yes I have been sub to this since release back in 2014.
2nd everyone gets equal treatment with this gift for we all well own and the keyword here is owning.
As a sub player, you don't own any content and it is clear to say so if you read the agreement for as soon as you stop sub you will not have DLC the only thing you will have is basic game and expansion you pay for with real money but not DLC.
It even says in-game as well both in the crown store and under DLC/content tab.
Owning its vs renting it is irrelevant for us who don't plan on unsubscribing until we stop playing.
Owning a small zone dlc is also irrelevant because there's no reason to go back there after you complete it in the first week or two, other than the events Zos does for zones every so often.
For us year long subs, "owning it" is worthless.
I am a currently on a year long sub and I find owning it to be a good thing. But then I still play if I let my sub lapse.
I think the only part that sucks was the decision to make it a mystery prize. That did lead to me being a little disappointed. It was the whole waiting around for a huge prize only to get a small one that really curdled my grits, but it was truly free stuff for me anyhow since I already had the achievement. So idc that much
Anyway it's not all the subs that have a problem with this, not even the year longs.
and for those of us who don't let our sub lapse, owning it or not doesn't make a difference.
It'll be even worse for us who also buy the collectors editions if we like the mount and pet.
Sure. Sucks for those that didn't get anything, but none of the rewards have been useful to everyone. Not everyone enjoys housing for example, useless reward for people who don't like it.Edited by spartaxoxo on October 3, 2021 10:33AM2 -
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✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Wow, they probably are giving away an entire DLC for free.
Isn't this awesome... but some people here still do complain?
Why not just be happy for all the people without ESO+ to enjoy it?
If you cannot be happy for other people
you probably won't be happy for a lot of your life...
Because you get the most happiness in life
when the people around you are happy.
Absolutely happy for the non-subscribers. Then, again, we subscribers are happy for the the ones that aren't, but it seems the ones that aren't have no understanding or empathy with us that are... Feels a bit one directional don't you think?Edited by Idinuse on October 3, 2021 10:45AMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?13 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Wow, they probably are giving away an entire DLC for free.
Isn't this awesome... but some people here still do complain?
Why not just be happy for all the people without ESO+ to enjoy it?
If you cannot be happy for other people
you probably won't be happy for a lot of your life...
Because you get the most happiness in life
when the people around you are happy.
Absolutely happy for the non-subscribers. Then, again, we subscribers are happy for the the ones that aren't, but it seems the ones that aren't have no understanding or empathy with us that are... Feels a bit one directional don't you think?
i'm sure 'non subscribers' are perfectly happy with the benefits ESO+ players get, in fact guess what we are in the same community. The issues is a sense of entitlement by some subscribers (most are perfectly happy i'm sure)2 -
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✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »Wow, they probably are giving away an entire DLC for free.
Isn't this awesome... but some people here still do complain?
Why not just be happy for all the people without ESO+ to enjoy it?
If you cannot be happy for other people
you probably won't be happy for a lot of your life...
Because you get the most happiness in life
when the people around you are happy.
Absolutely happy for the non-subscribers. Then, again, we subscribers are happy for the the ones that aren't, but it seems the ones that aren't have no understanding or empathy with us that are... Feels a bit one directional don't you think?
i'm sure 'non subscribers' are perfectly happy with the benefits ESO+ players get, in fact guess what we are in the same community. The issues is a sense of entitlement by some subscribers (most are perfectly happy i'm sure)
I'm talking about us subscribers sharing the joy of non-subscribers while non-subscribers show little understanding for the subscriber's point of view. Nothing in your post does either.Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?8 -
_adhyffbjjjf12✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »Wow, they probably are giving away an entire DLC for free.
Isn't this awesome... but some people here still do complain?
Why not just be happy for all the people without ESO+ to enjoy it?
If you cannot be happy for other people
you probably won't be happy for a lot of your life...
Because you get the most happiness in life
when the people around you are happy.
Absolutely happy for the non-subscribers. Then, again, we subscribers are happy for the the ones that aren't, but it seems the ones that aren't have no understanding or empathy with us that are... Feels a bit one directional don't you think?
i'm sure 'non subscribers' are perfectly happy with the benefits ESO+ players get, in fact guess what we are in the same community. The issues is a sense of entitlement by some subscribers (most are perfectly happy i'm sure)
I'm talking about us subscribers sharing the joy of non-subscribers while non-subscribers show little understanding for the subscriber's point of view. Nothing in your post does either.
Im very happy for non subscribers and as a yearly subscriber I got a reward. people are grossly overreacting because they got a smaller reward than they thought they would get and cant get over it and begrudge that fact others got a nice reward. The issue is not 'non subscribers' not understanding, that's a strawman. As a yearly subscriber, i really don't need someone showing 'understanding' because I only got a little reward.
Be happy for others and you will be happy in yourself is a good mindset that people should take to heart - its the opposite of the entitlement culture we don't want in ESO right? I.e this aint wow.Edited by _adhyffbjjjf12 on October 3, 2021 11:13AM3 -
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✭✭✭Are there any new mythical items dropping in the Deadlands anyone knows?Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.0 -
Katheriah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefit.
It's not entitlement that a lot of ESO+ subscribers aren't happy with a reward that offers them nothing. I repeat: it's getting an umbrella for Christmas. Yes, it's extremely practical. That doesn't make it a good gift. [snip]
Also you see it in a very optimistic way, and I don't mean that extremely positive. Your ESO+ doesn't give you crafting bag and DLC for free, you pay for it. It's not a gift. It's a product, a paid service.
I like the comparison with Murkmire as daily login reward. It was just a daily login reward instead of some gold or gems. Permanent ESO+ subscribers got nothing of value that day. That's not a big deal. Hyping up a yearly mystery reward and then discovering it's just a DLC. That's just... the ultimate proof they don't care about subbers.
[edited for bashing]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 4, 2021 2:00PM26 -
jad11mumbler✭✭✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefit.
That's just... the ultimate proof they don't care about subbers.
Not even this instance alone, IMO this is just the latest of many instances where subscribers get treated second rate by ZoS.
I think some have just been dissatisfied for a long while now.
As you said too, all the "free bonuses" some claim we get, we pay for. We know what we get when we sign up for the subscription, there's nothing additional added onto it.
You don't get free fries and a free drink when you order a Big Mac meal. It's all included in the price of the meal.174 characters and counting over 13 accounts.
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santhoranb16_ESO✭✭✭_adhyffbjjjf12 wrote: »what's actually happening is an 'I am entitled as I have ESO+' in effect caused in part by people assumed they were getting a big reward (advertising was ambiguous and could have been clearer). I also pay yearly in advance plus purchases, and i'm happy if others get gifts, i don't lose anything, and gain a small few extras. My ESO+ gives me crafting bags and ALL DLC for free (not just one) plus quite a few other benefits
Think of it this way, A company offers a monthly contract over a year for a tv and film package, it offers additional content over and above what pay as you go customers would get for the same period. 6 months later the company offers a special offer to pay as you go customers that gives access to a bunch of films that were previously only available for purchase or with the contract. Monthly contract owners have lost nothing and are not entitled (or even expect) some kind of compensatory reward.
And now think of: The company writes you that you get a great , no incredible! mystery reward. Then they tell you you get access to the bunch of films you could have watched anyway!
That's it what i call is complainable. Very much.
Edited by santhoranb16_ESO on October 3, 2021 11:54AM9 -
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✭✭The reward isnt the problem, the way it was announced is
Im 100% sure we woulnt have all these thread if the dlc was mentionned outrigth in the article19 -
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Of course people are free to voice their own opinions but how does ZOS giving away ONE DLC for free (and not even to everyone, it's people who own Blackwood that get it) diminish YOUR sub rewards? It doesn't take away your access to any other DLCs, it doesn't take your craft bag, it doesn't take your double bank and furniture slots, it doesn't take your monthly Crowns...Sheezabeast wrote: »It's not that you shouldn't be upset, but you're pushing a fallacy. The prizes /are/ equal. Your Plus sub pays for access to DLC. Not owning the DLC. When you stop paying, your access ends. Money comes and goes. An investment in purchasing DLC through the crown store is separate from just accessing them from subbing. You cannot drive the narrative that it is unequal, when it is very much equal. You're only not being given special privilege's for paying for a sub, for an event for a chapter, which is different.
I'm not pushing a fallacy. As an ESO+ subscriber, who has no intention of unsubscribing at this time, I didn't get anything. Also, one of the benefits that I'm PAYING for is now being given away for free, which diminishes the value of my subscription.
Essentially, when the awesome prize is given out, I won't get anything that I don't already have.
trackdemon551 laid it out nicely in the post above this one.
Also let's not speak for everyone to try and back up our claims. No, not everyone only subscribes for just the craft bag and DLC access. I sub for th craft bag and the double capacity in my back and house. If you do that's fine, if other people do that's also fine, but far and above those aren't the only things people subscribe for.
And for all these people claiming "oh but I'll NEVER" let my sub lapse!", that honestly makes you guys looks kind of selfish. Plenty of people can only afford to sub once in a while or on an otherwise irregular basis. Just because YOU don't intend on letting it lapse (and come on, let's also not say "I'll only stop subbing when I've quit or the game as gone offline", because you might not MEAN to ever let it lapse, but I think 2020 has shown you can never tell what the future might hold) doesn't mean other peoples' won't lapse.
As a subscriber myself I'm happy to get the DLC for free. As someone who can't always have my sub going it'll be nice not to loose access to it. And someone has said people are only mad that the free DLC was hyped as much as it was, except...plenty of people are also saying that the DLC itself as a reward sucks. People would be saying it even if they hadn't hyped it up like they did. And like I said everyone can have their opinion, but let's not hide behind excuses for why we have them, either.Character List [RP and PvE]:Stands-Against-Death: Argonian Magplar Healer - Crafter
Krisiel: Redguard Stamsorc DPS - Literally crazy Werewolf, no like legit insane. She nuts
Kiju Veran: Khajiit Stamblade DPS - Ex-Fighters Guild Suthay who likes to punch things, nicknamed Tinykat
Niralae Elsinal: Altmer Stamsorc DPS - Young Altmer with way too much Magicka
Sarah Lacroix: Breton Magsorc DPS - Fledgling Vampire who drinks too much water
Slondor: Nord Tankblade - TESified verson of Slenderman
Marius Vastino: Imperial <insert role here> - Sarah's apathetic sire who likes to monologue
Delthor Rellenar: Dunmer Magknight DPS - Sarah's ex who's a certified psychopath
Lirawyn Calatare: Altmer Magplar Healer - Traveling performer and bard who's 101% vanilla bean
Gondryn Beldeau: Breton Tankplar - Sarah's Mages Guild mentor and certified badass old person
Gwendolyn Jenelle: Breton Magplar Healer - Friendly healer with a coffee addiction
Soliril Larethian- Altmer Magblade DPS - Blind alchemist who uses animals to see and brews plagues in his spare time
Tevril Rallenar: Dunmer Stamcro DPS - Delthor's "special" younger brother who raises small animals as friends
Celeroth Calatare: Bosmer <insert role here> - Shapeshifting Bosmer with enough sass to fill Valenwood
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✭Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
- An unlimited craft bag
- Access to All DLCs including the newest
- A monthly allotment of crowns
- Various XP/Gold bonuses
There is an understanding for those players that without ESO+ they would have to shell out real world cash to purchase crowns in order access a specific DLC. That without shelling out for ESO+ you actually pay more to own a specific DLC.
I could spend roughly the same amount of real world money and either get 2 months of ESO+ or get 30k crowns. 30k crowns gets me a DLC to keep as long as the servers remain up. ESO+ gets me access to a DLC while my subscription is active AND the currency to purchase it to permanently play within 2 months.
By giving away DEADLANDS you have effectively devalued the utility of a service many prepaid for. The value of the service is unaffected as the amount of crowns rewarded and access to DLCs during a subscription remain unchanged. But specifically the value of the service’s utility does diminish. And those who ZOS encouraged to purchase the product based upon the promises of such a utility are short changed.
Those who pay month-to-month are short changed the least. Those who pay months in advance, and are encouraged to do so with promises of greater discounts for doing so, are short changed the most. This is why subscribers are upset.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭trackdemon5512 wrote: »Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
Renting the DLC is more expensive than owning it. ESO+ is a smaller upfront cost but in the long run it's cheaper to own.
The value in eso+ doesn't lie in the access to the DLC, it lies in all the other perks.
You also aren't paying for uniqueness when it comes to the DLC, the dlc is available without ESO+. The functionality of ESO+ also doesn't change with this reward, you still get access to this dlc with eso+. If you do not get this from the crownstore for free when it gets pushed out or don't own Blackwood, that becomes very significant.
You're not going to want to access it that way because owning it for free is obviously better, but it's hard to argue that being given a free upgrade to your usual perk devalues it.
This upgrade is of no use to people who never drop sub unless they drop the game entirely, but that's a matter of desire not value.
The monetary value of the sub has not changed. What you get has not changed. You still got Deadlands, it's just been upgraded from rent to own (if you want the upgrade).Edited by spartaxoxo on October 3, 2021 12:57PM0 -
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✭spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
- An unlimited craft bag
- Access to All DLCs including the newest
- A monthly allotment of crowns
- Various XP/Gold bonuses
There is an understanding for those players that without ESO+ they would have to shell out real world cash to purchase crowns in order access a specific DLC. That without shelling out for ESO+ you actually pay more to own a specific DLC.
I could spend roughly the same amount of real world money and either get 2 months of ESO+ or get 30k crowns. 30k crowns gets me a DLC to keep as long as the servers remain up. ESO+ gets me access to a DLC while my subscription is active AND the currency to purchase it to permanently play within 2 months.
By giving away DEADLANDS you have effectively devalued the utility of a service many prepaid for. The value of the service is unaffected as the amount of crowns rewarded and access to DLCs during a subscription remain unchanged. But specifically the value of the service’s utility does diminish. And those who ZOS encouraged to purchase the product based upon the promises of such a utility are short changed.
Those who pay month-to-month are short changed the least. Those who pay months in advance, and are encouraged to do so with promises of greater discounts for doing so, are short changed the most. This is why subscribers are upset.
Renting the DLC is more expensive than owning it. It's a smaller upfront cost but in the long run it's cheaper to own.
The value in eso+ doesn't lie in the access to the DLC, it lies in all the other perks.
Incorrect. Renting the DLC is not more expensive than owning it because of how ESO+ operates. If I subscribe to ESO+ for a month I “rent” the newest DLC AND get roughly the cash value of my subscription in usable crowns. After the month is over I only need to pony up 350 more crowns to continue permanently accessing a specific zone if I did not use my crowns during the subscription.
I can pay $139 for an ESO+ year membership which comes with 19,800 crowns. I can also pay $150 for just 21,000 crowns. Paying for either gets you all of the crown amounts upfront in one sum. The ESO sub is clearly a much much better deal in terms of what you get for your money. And when that membership is over you can possibly still have enough crowns to buy at minimum 2 full years worth of content: 4 Dungeon DLCS AT 1500 crowns ea, 2 Zone DLCS at 2000 crowns ea, and 2 older CHAPTERS at 3500 crowns each. Any missed new races can be picked up for 1500 crowns.
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✭✭✭✭✭spartaxoxo wrote: »trackdemon5512 wrote: »Those with ESO+ subscriptions pay X amount of real life money with the understanding that the services provided are unique.
Renting the DLC is more expensive than owning it. ESO+ is a smaller upfront cost but in the long run it's cheaper to own.
The value in eso+ doesn't lie in the access to the DLC, it lies in all the other perks.
You also aren't paying for uniqueness when it comes to the DLC, the dlc is available without ESO+. The functionality of ESO+ also doesn't change with this reward, you still get access to this dlc with eso+. If you do not get this from the crownstore for free when it gets pushed out or don't own Blackwood, that becomes very significant.
You're not going to want to access it that way because owning it for free is obviously better, but it's hard to argue that being given a free upgrade to your usual perk devalues it.
This upgrade is of no use to people who never drop sub unless they drop the game entirely, but that's a matter of desire not value.
The monetary value of the sub has not changed. What you get has not changed. You still got Deadlands, it's just been upgraded from rent to own (if you want the upgrade).
The monetary value has changed. Eso+ subscribers had access to three dlcs per year that they would otherwise not have access to, and now that is just two.
Not sure why but people here seem resentful of monthly subscribers. It’s not a question of monthly subscribers being upset people get free stuff, it’s just that the free stuff being given out, in such an elaborate way, is stuff they were getting anyway with their monthly payment.
In the past they would at least give a nod to the eso+ members, with a free crown crate or something of the like.17 -
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✭✭✭BalticBlues wrote: »Wow, they probably are giving away an entire DLC for free.
Isn't this awesome... but some people here still do complain?
Why not just be happy for all the people without ESO+ to enjoy it?
If you cannot be happy for other people
you probably won't be happy for a lot of your life...
Because you get the most happiness in life
when the people around you are happy.
As I am an subscriber myself, I really don't see the problem.Absolutely happy for the non-subscribers. Then, again, we subscribers are happy for the the ones that aren't, but it seems the ones that aren't have no understanding or empathy with us that are... Feels a bit one directional don't you think?
I pay for ESO+ mostly because of the crafting bag and the crowns.
A free DLC for others is taking nothing away from me.
Moreover, I also will keep the free DLC once my ESO+ will run out.
But first of all, I am happy for others like my daughter (not having ESO+) to get something nice.
Edited by BalticBlues on October 3, 2021 1:20PM4 -
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✭✭✭Where is the news post about this? i can't find it anywhereHoping for more playable races0 -
AzuraFan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's not entitlement that a lot of ESO+ subscribers aren't happy with a reward that offers them nothing. I repeat: it's getting an umbrella for Christmas. Yes, it's extremely practical. That doesn't make it a good gift. [snip]
Yes, the hype was that a big mystery prize for a community effort would be revealed. Then it turns out that only part of the community will truly benefit from the big prize: non-subscribers who own Blackwood. Those who don't own Blackwood won't get anything. ESO+ members will get something they already had AND PAY FOR.
No matter how you slice and dice it, giving the big bonus prize for a community effort to only part of the community doesn't make a lot of sense. I can see it from a marketing point of view, but from a community morale point of view, it sucks.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 4, 2021 2:00PM20 -
Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo✭✭✭✭✭
✭It's not entitlement that a lot of ESO+ subscribers aren't happy with a reward that offers them nothing. I repeat: it's getting an umbrella for Christmas. Yes, it's extremely practical. That doesn't make it a good gift. [snip]
Yes, the hype was that a big mystery prize for a community effort would be revealed. Then it turns out that only part of the community will truly benefit from the big prize: non-subscribers who own Blackwood. Those who don't own Blackwood won't get anything. ESO+ members will get something they already had AND PAY FOR.
No matter how you slice and dice it, giving the big bonus prize for a community effort to only part of the community doesn't make a lot of sense. I can see it from a marketing point of view, but from a community morale point of view, it sucks.
It's that old saying: 'Sorry guys, you missed the boat!' *pulls horn lever*
I agree with you in the sense that community morale has taken a hit and it's another push to obtain content which isn't really that appealing to many.
After a hard two years for all, I think they could have generalised this and not tucked it away into 'certain parameters'.
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RevJJ✭✭✭✭✭
✭For those who argue that subscribers will now own the DLC instead of just renting it… no they won’t. None of us own anything in this game.
From the TOS:
“ By creating an Account, You agree that You do not own the Account, any user names created on the Account, any Content stored or associated with an Account (such as digital and/or virtual assets, achievements, virtual currency, and other Downloadable Content), or related data associated with the Account.”Edited by RevJJ on October 3, 2021 3:35PM14 -
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✭✭✭NoxiousBlight wrote: »I am disappointed.
Not that the prize was a free DLC - congrats to the non-subs on your bonus prize by the way - but rather the marketing behind it. They hyped up this mystery prize and then it just left a bitter taste in my mouth.
They should have just announced it to begin with. Then no one would be upset. In fact, even the subs would be excited because it is a cool reward for a lot of players. But by calling it “amazing” and making us tune into a stream, only to tell your most loyal, and most likely highest spending customers, “sorry the bonus prize isn’t really for you” makes me feel bad. And marketing for a game should never make you feel bad.
How about ESO+ members get two extra armory slots as long as they are subscribed? How about subs get 2000 seals of endeavors for being loyal customers? How about ANYTHING?
But I guess it doesn’t matter. They know the vast majority of loyal subs will just keep on subbing.
There are lots of good points I could have quoted but choosing this one as I think it's really the best perspective on this. I am a longtime subscriber. I never pause; in fact I think I'm on the yearly payment plan, because if I play a game I'm dedicated to it until I quit.
I have frequently advocated on the forums that eventually paid content should migrate to base game. At some point things like Any Race, Any Alliance and older areas of content - especially ones that come with dungeons and trials - should be available to all. And that's A-OK with me. I'm never bitter about it; as the game grows and adds more things it's hard for new people to catch up and I think we need to do things in MMOs to keep those new players from getting frustrated and leaving.
This is not a" sour grapes, ESO+ subscribers are angry when others get things" thread. Many of us support the idea of non-subscribers getting things. This is a "marketing failure" thread. This marketing campaign aimed at all customers which fell short and makes the event seem "less fun" or even "bait and switch" for subscribers. It would have been SO EASY for ZOS to add something else to the final reward for subscribers and/or everyone. I would have liked to see a house in the Deadlands, maybe. A new companion would have caused many to go bananas. I seriously would have been thrilled with a quick, recolored pet or mount. And I would have been fully supportive of non-subs getting the additional reward, too.
But the day I stop subbing is the day I quit this game, so giving me the DLC is legitimately a build-up to nothing. I'm not clear if the "cascading bounty box" came with Deadlands (don't remember) but they could have done so much better for the community with very little effort. I don't care that they are giving away the DLC; I care that they made it the primary grand award of this event. It should have either been part of a bigger award, the first daily login in November, or... anything but this, really.12 -
Ashryn✭✭✭✭✭
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There are lots of good points I could have quoted but choosing this one as I think it's really the best perspective on this. I am a longtime subscriber. I never pause; in fact I think I'm on the yearly payment plan, because if I play a game I'm dedicated to it until I quit.
I have frequently advocated on the forums that eventually paid content should migrate to base game. At some point things like Any Race, Any Alliance and older areas of content - especially ones that come with dungeons and trials - should be available to all. And that's A-OK with me. I'm never bitter about it; as the game grows and adds more things it's hard for new people to catch up and I think we need to do things in MMOs to keep those new players from getting frustrated and leaving.
This is not a" sour grapes, ESO+ subscribers are angry when others get things" thread. Many of us support the idea of non-subscribers getting things. This is a "marketing failure" thread. This marketing campaign aimed at all customers which fell short and makes the event seem "less fun" or even "bait and switch" for subscribers. It would have been SO EASY for ZOS to add something else to the final reward for subscribers and/or everyone. I would have liked to see a house in the Deadlands, maybe. A new companion would have caused many to go bananas. I seriously would have been thrilled with a quick, recolored pet or mount. And I would have been fully supportive of non-subs getting the additional reward, too.
But the day I stop subbing is the day I quit this game, so giving me the DLC is legitimately a build-up to nothing. I'm not clear if the "cascading bounty box" came with Deadlands (don't remember) but they could have done so much better for the community with very little effort. I don't care that they are giving away the DLC; I care that they made it the primary grand award of this event. It should have either been part of a bigger award, the first daily login in November, or... anything but this, really.[/quote]
Exactly this!
Those that sub don't feel 'entitled'.
We are happy for those who don't sub and receive something they like.
We are not happy to not be included in the community that we support when this 'awesome prize' was chosen. We feel unappreciated, ignored, and even snubbed by a company that could have very easily included us in some way!
I didn't care about them giving away Murkmire for free as a daily award; nor did giving away Cyrodil bother me; nor the fact that daily rewards have become not much more then food for newbies... but I do feel insulted that I am not included in a community event prize that was hyped as an 'incredible' prize for all when I have subbed since 2017 and bought every chapter, often as a collector's edition.16 -
RedbeansSoul ShrivenThis is fantastic, all my guild members and friends who don't or can't afford to subscribe to eso+ will get to play Deadlands with me. I will be getting the pathfinder achievement on all my characters on both EU and NA in the hopes that we get that bar filled.
[snip]
[edited for bashing/baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on October 3, 2021 5:38PM1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y1FsAHJseE