Free Deadlands DLC

Stopnaggin

Jamdarius wrote: »

Now it actually makes me wonder what do you think would actually make a fine reward for this event? I see a lot complaining but not many ideas for future reference. Also does it hurt so much that some players that actually SUPPORTED game by BUYING chapter get something for free?

If you had to buy the chapter, was it really free though? The point is they hyped this way up and it was not a home run. So to your question about supporting them by buying a chapter, so having ESO plus is somehow not supporting them? I mean I bought the chapter and pay $15 a month. Is that not support? Sure you spent $50 for the chapter; or whatever it was. So did I, and on top of that I pay at least $180 a year on top of that. And by your statement that is somehow not actually supporting the game? Ask Zeni how much money they would lose without having subs? Pretty sure it would hurt.

Danikat

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Youyouz06 wrote: »

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Not gonna lie. As a player that has been here since 2014, ESO + for the vast majority of that. Also buying crowns on a regular basis, I am disappointed. The rewards prior to this were better IMO. Underwhelmed is an understatement. I have to seriously question if Plus is even worth it at this point. The DLC are cheap enough, all the crown crate stuff is junk or re-skined mounts. So what is my incentive? Free stuff that I would have gotten with plus? Its not like the dlcs are adding that much. Its fairly obvious, to me, that player retention is not the top priority.

I wonder if ESO+ is going to be a thing in future. That's a question which is bugging me a bit.
With the latest 'event' it kind of makes you feel it's perhaps not that important to them financially compared to the other monetisation systems. *picking my brain*

Of course it's important. The only money getting pumped into this game is probably sub money and dlc sales. That stuff in crates is probably used entirely to help boost those massive profits you see the parent company posting.

I mean, if you can name one single thing that has improved in game, performance wise, since CC's arrived, I'll retract my statement. If anything, the game is more buggy and Cyrodiil worse.

Admittedly it's been about a decade since I worked for a corporate company, but I think it's highly unlikely they decide how to spend the money based on which specific purchase it comes from.

This is an over-simplification but I think it would be more accurate to say it all goes into one pool, they hold back an amount they think is appropriate for future development and running costs and then whatever is left over is the profit which goes to their parent company. More people subscribing and buying DLC and spending less on crown crates isn't going to increase the amount ZOS chooses to spend on future development or performance. At most it might lead to a meeting in the marketing department to decide whether they should push crown crates harder to get sales back up or split up the content even more to further increase the amount of DLC purchased.

BlueRaven

Let’s face it, for eso+ members, this is the mystery gift equivalent of getting socks for Christmas.

Practical in a loose sense, disappointing in a greater sense.

I really don’t know what zos can do at this point to fix this, they lost a lot of goodwill as far as I am concerned. They could have awarded eso+ members crown crates, or a nice mount, something, but now it feels too late.

Iccotak

It’s free for anyone who owns the chapter. Meaning that they are using a tactic to encourage people to buy the chapter.

And it’s honestly kind of a nice deal, getting both the chapter & the story zone DLC for the price of the chapter (which is 60% off) that’s a steal.

And bringing the price down to that guarantees a lot of sales to end the year on.

Lady_Galadhiel

BlueRaven wrote: »

Let’s face it, for eso+ members, this is the mystery gift equivalent of getting socks for Christmas.

Practical in a loose sense, disappointing in a greater sense.

I really don’t know what zos can do at this point to fix this, they lost a lot of goodwill as far as I am concerned. They could have awarded eso+ members crown crates, or a nice mount, something, but now it feels too late.

Even socks are better than a DLC you will have access to anyway

kmcaj

Eliahnus wrote: »

This ‘reward’ is a real letdown for ESO+ members !
I cancelled my sub.

Now you still will have access to the dlc so really is a pretty good reward.

BlueRaven

Lady_Galadhiel wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Let’s face it, for eso+ members, this is the mystery gift equivalent of getting socks for Christmas.

Practical in a loose sense, disappointing in a greater sense.

I really don’t know what zos can do at this point to fix this, they lost a lot of goodwill as far as I am concerned. They could have awarded eso+ members crown crates, or a nice mount, something, but now it feels too late.

Even socks are better than a DLC you will have access to anyway

How about your mass transit system offering free rides to everyone on a weekend, but you already bought a monthly pass?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

kmcaj

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Welp, I'm done getting the Pathfinder achievement on alts. What's the bloody point?

Same as always was. To unlock all the community rewards. Nothing changed. All that happened is that for some reason you are upset because you may get some free dlc.

Jamdarius

Stopnaggin wrote: »

Jamdarius wrote: »

Now it actually makes me wonder what do you think would actually make a fine reward for this event? I see a lot complaining but not many ideas for future reference. Also does it hurt so much that some players that actually SUPPORTED game by BUYING chapter get something for free?

If you had to buy the chapter, was it really free though? The point is they hyped this way up and it was not a home run. So to your question about supporting them by buying a chapter, so having ESO plus is somehow not supporting them? I mean I bought the chapter and pay $15 a month. Is that not support? Sure you spent $50 for the chapter; or whatever it was. So did I, and on top of that I pay at least $180 a year on top of that. And by your statement that is somehow not actually supporting the game? Ask Zeni how much money they would lose without having subs? Pretty sure it would hurt.

I never said it is not supporting them if you have ESO+, pls do not put your misinterpetation as if I spoke that. All I said is that it is a reward to ALL PLAYERS THAT BOUGHT BLACKWOOD, try to read again if you feel different. ESO + subs do support the game but they tend to forget themselves and want to be treated as if they're better than other players which honestly shows their overgrown ego, measuring players worth by the wallet and how much they spend on something means they must be very sad people in real life and honestly I hope they rage quit the game 'cause I certainly would like to avoid playing with such people. Making some weird ideas about boycotting the event is just insane at this point. In my opinion this thread and all other threads about it should be closed by ZOS 'cause it brings nothing except ppl becoming focused on negative things.

The DLC is gonna be FREE BONUS because normally we would have to either buy it for crowns or pay ESO+ fee to have access to it (notice access not ownership there is difference between those 2 things). A rented car is not yours even though you rent it 24/7/365 for years. But it seems ppl cannot think and like to rage at the smallest things instead.

Marketing the Blackwood chapter this way to make you feel compelled to buy it is different thing, it was never advertised that you would get another DLC if you buy Blackwood (although promotion/event certainly make people feel that way, that's marketing for ya).It doesn't change the fact that to reward people who bought Blackwood (which was quite bad if you ask me personally quest and content wise) and did the event thing ZOS decided to give free dlc. it might also be some form of ''saying sorry our current chapter was bad enough to make many players disappointed''.

wishlist14

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:

"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."

You beat me to creating this post OP. When i visited the community progress page this morning I was shocked and very disappointed....NOT because the dlc is being gifted to other players that cant afford it for reasons but because no consideration was given to us who have subbed since pre launch of this game and already get all the dlcs. I buy every expansion and being a permanent eso plus member, i dont expect to be offered a free dlc as a community event reward.

Also i have been doing the pathfinder achieve on all my alts and i have many, just to make sure i contribute for those who cannot .

I dont feel entitled as a long term eso plus member but just expect fair treatment that is all


Thank you for this well articulated post OP.... 💕💕💕💕

wolfie1.0.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

You have to remember that in the state of modern video games that you don't "OWN" anything. You are paying for a license to use the software needed to access your account. They can stop that at any time. so really the difference is whether you pay for the license over time or through a one time purchase. there are advantages to both relying on ESO + and using a one time purchase.

For people who don't think like "play subbed or not play at all", purchasing (crowns) vs. renting (ESO+) the DLCs makes a real difference.
I used to sub, for a long time. During all this time, I have purchased all DLCs (not with cash, but with the crowns included in the subs). Many people used to laugh at me, like I was doing ZOS a white-knight-favor by "buying twice". They spent their sub-crowns on cosmectics and fluff (fine, their choice).
But the truth is, they are now STUCK with subbing, whereas I am free to unsub - and still enjoy 100% of the game's content.

(Yes, for anyone who has always subbed and never bothered actually buying permanent access to DLCs, the option of unsubbing and buying DLCs instead is... financially a VERY significant one).

I honestly don't disagree with you on this, This is something i actually used to do myself years ago before i realized that I wasn't actually going to unsub and still play. To the point that choose some of the longer sub models as they make more economic sense to my RL income. To people that are partially subs buying the DLCs with the ESO+ crowns makes sense.

For me it doesn't, because i won't play without a sub on my primary account. The crowns i get from the sub are that much fewer crowns i buy from the crown store. When i spend those crowns i look for value to add to the experience, not an insurance policy that i will never claim (which is what the DLC purchases really are if you are a constant sub). So i get a house, or i get a mount, or i gift something to a friend, or even sell them to others in game. The point is that its value added that is more than a safeguard.

But like i said many times now, I am happy for those that see a benefit here, i really am. I just don't see it for myself, and the incentive for me to do much for this event is low. Its probably a bad comparison, but to me it feels like that situation where a co-worker asked you for help with a key aspect of a team project, and you assist along with doing your own part, that co-worker gets a bit more credit.

wishlist14

Khaleesi8688 wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Or because of the economic impact of Covid, subs are down and they want to reach out to people who can't afford to sub and they want to be compassionate. And it was well-received when they did it with Murkmire.

I can't imagine thinking corporations do things out of compassion. How naive. It's weird that we can't speak to how we feel without you trying to guilt people about the poor down trodden people who can't afford plus but can afford a decent computer and internet access. The fact is, plus members logged into a stream about a big deal mystery prize and got told we are getting nothing that has any extra usefulness to us. We have every right to speak about how we feel we got shafted by this choice.

what? This is the mystery prize ? That makes it even worse

maximusrex45

Sheezabeast wrote: »

There really is no pleasing this community. Daily login rewards are always criticized, events aren't frequent enough, its always something. And now, they can't even basically give out free content without people being up in arms about it being obtainable to people who already purchased Blackwood. Maybe just be happy for other people, it effects people other than you, people less fortunate than you, the community is not a community of one. We all make up the community.

The horror of the people who pay more to support the game wanting the rewards to be slightly useful, or at least a little fun. What kind of a gift is content I already have access too? What kind of a reward are research scrolls and riding tomes that I can't use any longer? Why can't you want rewards that are good for everyone instead of just a few?

maximusrex45

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Or because of the economic impact of Covid, subs are down and they want to reach out to people who can't afford to sub and they want to be compassionate. And it was well-received when they did it with Murkmire.

Why can't they also be compassionate to people who already pay them more money to help support the game?

maximusrex45

gariondavey wrote: »

The amount of salt in this thread is hilarious, coming from the viewpoint of someone who will never subscribe to eso+ due to the performance in the game (and other reasons). I buy dlcs with gold, so this means I have more gold to blow on the few remaining motifs I haven't collected. Yay!

"I got mine, forget those who pay more!"

jad11mumbler

daim wrote: »

Imagine if the event meter wouldnt somehow hit 100% and everything would be just fine haha ... oh man i cant even imagine that [snip]storm hitting the forum fan ;D

[snip]
All these people doing it on alts for no reason lol.

[edited for conspiracy theory & to remove quote]

Fischblut

Unlike some other players, I am very grateful for free DLC! Honestly, I didn't expect this.
I am not currently subscribed and I don't know when I will have the wish to subscribe again. I also don't have PTS installed these days, so I couldn't even take a test ride through new zone. Thanks to this gift, I will be able to explore upcoming DLC

I was subscribed most of time for years, but I've always bought every story DLCs. I would also buy dungeon DLCs, but they need to cost 750 crowns - or I need to love their Collector's edition mount.
Getting Murkmire for free as daily login reward (2018) was absolutely awesome. I was subscriber and didn't plan to drop subscription back then - and still I loved the fact that I can save my crowns (and permanently unlock the DLC). Also, main story from Murkmire is still my favourite from all ESO's main stories When I think of Murkmire DLC, I still can't believe that I got such treasure for free.

It may seem like lot of players don't appreciate getting DLC for free because of so much anger on forums after the reveal, but there are also many silent players who will love and appreciate this nice gift There are things which made me very sad in ESO, and that's why I currently don't subscribe and don't play much So I could just remain silent here, but I've decided to express my gratitude for Deadlands DLC gift. Please don't change your mind - I already wait to explore new zone I just hope that wandering Executioner Bosses won't interrupt my exploration if I don't attack them.

@ZOS_Kevin

jad11mumbler

The dlc being the free reward is just another spit in the face to long time subs.

Owning it vs renting it doesn't matter when you sub until you stop playing.
Even less for a small, short story dlc with no reason to go back there other than a dlc event in the future.

Pauwer

Oh and i know a lot of players who wont take part in this now, if the meters goes to 100% it is a lie

Rkindaleft

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

I don’t think that the people who are either saying it’s an equal gift or complaining that subs are moaning about free stuff understand at all… yet it’s such a simple concept…

Please elaborate. You're being sort of elliptic here.

I don't think there's a SINGLE subscriber in this thread that is complaining that the DLC is being given away for free.

ESO+ holders are disappointed because this "amazing hyped up mystery reward" is something they pay for, something that they get already, something that is essentially meaningless to them. ESO+ holders don't care that they will have access to the DLC if their sub ends, because most of the subscribers won't end their subs and the ones that do and still play are such a small minority. If they ever leave the game, once they come back they're also likely to resubscribe, so whether or not they have access to the DLC is meaningless.

For 95% of ESO+ holders, there is no reward. There's no incentive to get to 100% because they don't get anything they wouldn't already have. Don't hype it up if a large portion of the playerbase doesn't get anything.

jad11mumbler

Pauwer wrote: »

Oh and i know a lot of players who wont take part in this now, if the meters goes to 100% it is a lie

[snip] We will never not reach 100% even if no one is playing.

[edited for conspiracy theory]

anitajoneb17_ESO

Nchuleftingth wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

BomblePants wrote: »

I don’t think that the people who are either saying it’s an equal gift or complaining that subs are moaning about free stuff understand at all… yet it’s such a simple concept…

Please elaborate. You're being sort of elliptic here.

I don't think there's a SINGLE subscriber in this thread that is complaining that the DLC is being given away for free.

ESO+ holders are disappointed because this "amazing hyped up mystery reward" is something they pay for, something that they get already, something that is essentially meaningless to them. ESO+ holders don't care that they will have access to the DLC if their sub ends, because most of the subscribers won't end their subs and the ones that do and still play are such a small minority. If they ever leave the game, once they come back they're also likely to resubscribe, so whether or not they have access to the DLC is meaningless.

For 95% of ESO+ holders, there is no reward. There's no incentive to get to 100% because they don't get anything they wouldn't already have. Don't hype it up if a large portion of the playerbase doesn't get anything.

Thanks for elaborating.

But I think you're wrong on many levels.

First, on your assumption that subscribers don't buy DLCs because if they play they subscribe and if they don't subscribe they don't play.
Second, on your assumption that a "gift" should be without any agenda. That may be true from a friend, but from a company, that's obviously wrong. Of course it's marketing ! Anything wrong with that ?
And that brings us back to the first point : if ZOS does this, it's because it makes sense business wise, and they have the figures to prove it (and we don't).

I happen to be french and in french, we have a "proverb" or something like that that says "à cheval offert, on ne regarde pas les dents". Which roughly translates into "when you're given a horse for free, you don't check his teeth". In other words, if you like it, you are welcome to say it, but if not, then you shut up. Nobody forces you to mean nor to say "thank you", but you're not entitled to complain. Because it's FREE.

That's the only single crystal clear issue here : IT'S FREE. If you don't like it or are disappointed in the gifted thing, you SHUT UP. Because it's free.

And if you're just upset because you've been "hyped" for "nothing" (in your opinion and from your personal point of view), just get over it. Remember : yes, it's marketing. But it's free.

anitajoneb17_ESO

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

But like i said many times now, I am happy for those that see a benefit here, i really am. I just don't see it for myself, and the incentive for me to do much for this event is low. Its probably a bad comparison, but to me it feels like that situation where a co-worker asked you for help with a key aspect of a team project, and you assist along with doing your own part, that co-worker gets a bit more credit.

I understand. But even then... I like the idea of reaching a common goal "together" (even if the term "together" is very anonymous in that situation). It gives more meaning to things, even if it's quite abstract. Just like when we had to kill dragons to help some charities for pets.

I happen to benefit from the given prize since I'm not subbed (but even if we don't get it, I'll buy the DLC with gold and don't think twice about it), but even if I didn't care, the concept of a "common goal" is pleasant to fantsize about. Even if it's, basically, marketing.

I really don't condone people who are currently whining about this.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Jamdarius wrote: »

Also does it hurt so much that some players that actually SUPPORTED game by BUYING chapter get something for free?

Hum
Only people that are eligible are the one who bought blackwood
The one complaining are the one who bought blackwood and eso+

Again most of us arent unhappy because of the reward itself but the way it was handled

If they just announced it outright with the other reward it would have been fine but instead we were promised an amazing mystery reward
Wich a lot of us where hyped about only to be let down in the end

LittlePinkDot

huntgod_ESO wrote: »

So ideally when giving people something, you want them to be able to utilize it and be thankful for it. Here you have a situation where pretty much anyone who is participating in this event also has access to the DLC as I'm betting people who buy expansion also sub, so you are basically saying:

"Hey thanks to everyone who participated to unlock this prize, we are now going to give access to it to all the folks who didn't participate."

You also effectively devalue your subscription by adding this as free content, which I appreciate, but seems counter productive for something that is supposed to be a reward for the players and ideally promote sales.

I am amazed you didn't go with another house and place it in the Blackwood area so players would have to buy blackwood or sub to access it...

[edited for bashing]

The subscription is too expensive for people in countries with a less valuable currency. The exchange rate can hurt.
And the government where I am put a tax on digital content, so I gotta pay the government too.

Psiion

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trackdemon5512

Let’s say I subscribe to ESO+. I get 1,650 crowns a month, 19,800 crowns a year.

Dungeon DLCs cost 1500 crowns each. Zone DLCs cost 2000 crowns each. Chapters, after they’re added to the crown store cost 3500 crowns.

A years worth of content costs 8500 crowns. Classes have cost 1500. Over the last 4 years on average it has cost 9000 crowns a year to own all content going back a year.

The cost of a notable home, the ones most often advertised through the crown store are 12000 crowns minimum. Alliance and race change tokens run 2000 crowns+. Mounts offered through the crown store run 3000 crowns+. Monster Weapon Sets run 2500 crowns. Motifs run 5000 crowns.

A crown crate runs 400 crowns. Four crates for 1500. 15 crates for 5000.


An ESO+ member that subscribes for DLC access gets nothing out of this reward. An ESO+ member who spends their crowns on DLC saves 2000 crowns. Unfortunately the number of alternative items they can spend that on is small.

Most upsetting, players who supported the Chapter at launch effectively paid $40 to $60 for 2 DLCs, one they likely were going to have access to anyways from an ESO+ subscription. Those getting the chapter now on sale get a much better deal.

The issue is that for players that have supported this game for quite some time this “bonus” really amounts to nothing. For players that subscribe this “bonus” amounts to nothing. For players that don’t subscribe this “bonus” saves them 2000 crowns which couldn’t be used for anything practical really. For new players who bought Blackwood and don’t subscribe this is all good. For players that don’t buy Blackwood they get nothing.

If this is a gift it’s really only that for a small selection of the overall ESO population. For the rest it was either already included in their play, doesn’t affect them, or worth so little that the savings are meaningless.

Marketing it as a grand reward was a serious misstep. Marketing a free notable home for the last three chapters was a much better prize. And with Murkmire previously given away for free for continued participation to ALL players it only makes this worse.

JJOtterBear

here's my question:

I have ESO+, so i will get automatic access to the DLC. And they are giving this DLC for free to OWN, where ESO+ is essentially renting.

If i were to unsub, would i still own this DLC like everyone else? or would access be removed along with my sub if i unsubbed?

tmbrinks

JJOtterBear wrote: »

here's my question:

I have ESO+, so i will get automatic access to the DLC. And they are giving this DLC for free to OWN, where ESO+ is essentially renting.

If i were to unsub, would i still own this DLC like everyone else? or would access be removed along with my sub if i unsubbed?

Yes, you would still have this DLC (as long as you bought Blackwood). It would NOT be removed when you drop your sub.

benetrio

[snip] you aren't owed anything. you get your craft bag, extra space, and crowns for subbing. I didn't care about the house last year since I don't do housing, but I didn't complain about it or not participate in the event.

I had an unexpected medical bill come up this summer so I haven't been subbed since, so getting to continue the blackwood story without having to pay for the DLC/eso+ is awesome to me.

[edited for baiting]