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Yeah, I want Crystal blast back. Funny how those who backed zos on this got a literal copy of elemental weapon and liked it? Like literally take something unique and make it copy something else, why?

Because taking a functionally dead morph that's used by a tiny minority of the player base and turning it into something that's useful for stamSorcs in both PvE as well as PvP was and remains a good use of developer resources.

I like Crystal Weapon and I use Crystal Weapon. You don't do either. Both of us are simple anecdotes though and ZOS has the actual data on how popular the morph was and currently is. The fact that they changed the morph tells you all you need to know about how popular Crystal Blast used to be.

There it is again. Zos is always right? Except when they do something people themselves specifically don't like.

People still used the skill, so what about them?

Seriously, taking something unique and making a clone is never right. Why not buff elemental weapon a bit? It's the exact same skill.

What's not right is allowing a tiny minority of magSorc players to block stamSorcs from being able to use their own class abilities.

The situation is still wildly imbalanced, with Magicka vacuuming up all 6/6 available ultimate morphs plus something like 75% of all class abilities. It was the least that could be done to throw stamSorcs a small bone in the form of a spammable. In the same change, ZOS also improved Crystal Frags and allowed magSorcs to save a bar slot that otherwise would have been dedicated to using a non-class spammable. It was a win-win for the overwhelming majority of overall Sorcerer players.

But game design is zero-sum so that meant that somebody had to lose - and that was Crystal Blast users. Making a change that benefits the many instead of catering to the few, however, is a hallmark of good balance decision-making.

Everyone uses dswing even now anyway. That's still no reason to be happy about something unique being replaced by a cloned skill. I would be accepting if what replaced blast was an aoe stam unique spammable or something, but no, just a literal clone skill.

Also, stam has a LOT more variety in weapon skill choices. Sorcerer mostly being mag made sense. Why do you only have to use class skills and nothing else out of 3 weapon skill lines?

Using "everyone uses the better skill anyway" argument to justify not giving an alternative is the exact same line of reason ZOS used to change Crystal Blast. Everyone used superior Frags anyway. See?

Cleave already is subpar on stam toons. Hence the caltrops buff. Mag has better AoE options. You could very well use some of those. Also MagSorc already brought some group utility in LL synergy, exploitation minor group buff (which can be procced via superior frags) and in some cases a big cleave heal via Matriarch.
StamSorc had neither of those options to conveniently use. With the change they got 4 positive changes. Exploitation & unnamed penetration and a class spam that also acts as delayed burst for PvP. Sure, it's not the most fluid or original skill to use but the design decision is brilliant. Mag only lost a subpar morph instead of 1 for a stam spam, 1 for utility and another 1 for delayed burst.

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YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Ryuvain wrote: »

Yeah, I want Crystal blast back. Funny how those who backed zos on this got a literal copy of elemental weapon and liked it? Like literally take something unique and make it copy something else, why?

Because taking a functionally dead morph that's used by a tiny minority of the player base and turning it into something that's useful for stamSorcs in both PvE as well as PvP was and remains a good use of developer resources.

I like Crystal Weapon and I use Crystal Weapon. You don't do either. Both of us are simple anecdotes though and ZOS has the actual data on how popular the morph was and currently is. The fact that they changed the morph tells you all you need to know about how popular Crystal Blast used to be.

There it is again. Zos is always right? Except when they do something people themselves specifically don't like.

People still used the skill, so what about them?

Seriously, taking something unique and making a clone is never right. Why not buff elemental weapon a bit? It's the exact same skill.

What's not right is allowing a tiny minority of magSorc players to block stamSorcs from being able to use their own class abilities.

The situation is still wildly imbalanced, with Magicka vacuuming up all 6/6 available ultimate morphs plus something like 75% of all class abilities. It was the least that could be done to throw stamSorcs a small bone in the form of a spammable. In the same change, ZOS also improved Crystal Frags and allowed magSorcs to save a bar slot that otherwise would have been dedicated to using a non-class spammable. It was a win-win for the overwhelming majority of overall Sorcerer players.

But game design is zero-sum so that meant that somebody had to lose - and that was Crystal Blast users. Making a change that benefits the many instead of catering to the few, however, is a hallmark of good balance decision-making.

well to be fair Sorcerer is a magic class, the idea of being used for a stamina build is asinine to start with. a sorcerer by definition uses magic, but ignoring that, game design is not zero-sum and no one -had- to lose, they just chose not to overhaul the stagnating skill system and add more things, instead choosing to change the already anemic selection of choices.

i mean they overhauled the champion point system a few times, the skill system being overhauled a little could take very little work, adding a bunch of new skills is hard, yes, but i think a multimillion dollar company can handle it.

This is rich. Neither in previous TES lore nor in ESO class design is a Sorcerer a pure wizard. If you care to catch up, read up class descriptions and skill composition from Morrowind and Oblivion. Not a single ESO class is forced into a single resource only. But it goes well with your expressed disregard to the game design overall. Sure they could add a third morph or a sixth skill. But that's just as unlikely as beating a single class out of the build freedom we had since launch.

Lastly a few words about "class skills = magick, stam should use it's more numerous weapon skills". When ESO launched there were no stam/mag dichotomy. So you could very well run around as something we'd call a hybrid build today. Wrecking Blowing, Mage's Fury casting Sorcerer etc. The removal of caps was a cheap trick to stretch their 4 classes to 8. So having more weapon skills and less class skills for stam is a remnant of a long gone design decision.