Crystal Shard replaced by Crystal Weapon — please roll back!

richi_b

Hi there,

Quoted from today‘s patch notes:

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Crystal Blast (morph): This ability has been reworked into a Stamina morph, and renamed to Crystal Weapon. It is now an instant-cast ability that causes your next Light or Heavy Attack made within 4 seconds to deal additional damage, equal to the standard spammable amount such as Lava Whip or Veiled Strike. Enemies hit by this ability will their armor reduced by up to 1000.
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Why the hack did you do that? The crystal Blast is the only meaningful attack for single player High Elves sorcerers.
This is the only attack that makes you survive against one AND multiple opponents.
Taking this ability away means you kill the character.

PLEASE roll this back, seriously — this was a really bad idea.

Pr0Skygon

richi_b wrote: »

Hi there,

Quoted from today‘s patch notes:

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Crystal Blast (morph): This ability has been reworked into a Stamina morph, and renamed to Crystal Weapon. It is now an instant-cast ability that causes your next Light or Heavy Attack made within 4 seconds to deal additional damage, equal to the standard spammable amount such as Lava Whip or Veiled Strike. Enemies hit by this ability will their armor reduced by up to 1000.
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Why the hack did you do that? The crystal Blast is the only meaningful attack for single player High Elves sorcerers.
This is the only attack that makes you survive against one AND multiple opponents.
Taking this ability away means you kill the character.

PLEASE roll this back, seriously — this was a really bad idea.

Just wondering, what level are you at?

Aertew

Lol, run Destruction staff skills, run liquid lightning, that's the only AOE I need. Then run a single target spammable.

Fur_like_snow

Stamsorc literally had no class spammable till today. Use the other morph for magicka.

Aertew

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stamsorc literally had no class spammable till today. Use the other morph for magicka.

so we just gonna ignore the channels from the duel wield skill line huh...

YandereGirlfriend

Aertew wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stamsorc literally had no class spammable till today. Use the other morph for magicka.

so we just gonna ignore the channels from the duel wield skill line huh...

Playing that game doesn't help the argument of the OP.

The person you are quoting clearly meant an in-class spammable skill.

Nobody used Crystal Blast (except perhaps the OP and about 5 others). It was a dead morph and a huge meme of a bad skill.

It is a credit the developers that they recycled a dead morph into something useful for many more players.

richi_b

Pr0Skygon wrote: »

Just wondering, what level are you at?

My char is at level 50/280 or something...

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stamsorc literally had no class spammable till today. Use the other morph for magicka.

Well then... how about inventing new abilities instead of replacing existing ones?
A char levelled up to mage with almost no stama finds itself with a „new“ ability that is purely useless. Where the one mostly used is gone. What is the point in that?

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Nobody used Crystal Blast (except perhaps the OP and about 5 others). It was a dead morph and a huge meme of a bad skill.
It is a credit the developers that they recycled a dead morph into something useful for many more players.

I don‘t know what you mean with „nobody“ except for the ten out of five chars that at least I know of.
But again. Feel free to invent new ability lines every day. But please do not remove existing ones from active player concepts.

richi_b

Aertew wrote: »

Lol, run Destruction staff skills, run liquid lightning, that's the only AOE I need. Then run a single target spammable.

Just because I don‘t know how that translates into German:
In which ability tree do I find „liquid lightning“?
What are „destruction staff skills“?
And what is an „AOE“?
What is a single target „spammable“?

the1andonlyskwex

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Aertew wrote: »

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Stamsorc literally had no class spammable till today. Use the other morph for magicka.

so we just gonna ignore the channels from the duel wield skill line huh...

Playing that game doesn't help the argument of the OP.

The person you are quoting clearly meant an in-class spammable skill.

Nobody used Crystal Blast (except perhaps the OP and about 5 others). It was a dead morph and a huge meme of a bad skill.

It is a credit the developers that they recycled a dead morph into something useful for many more players.

Crystal Blast may not have been part of the meta, but it certainly wasn't a dead morph otherwise. Lots of people used it because it was basically a magicka AoE Snipe with a stun. It was amazing for killing trash in the open world, good for healers and tanks to contribute AoE damage in dungeons, and good for ganky builds in group PvP.

If you look at it in the context of other cast time ranged skills, or in the context of other AoE, it was tremendously powerful. The only place where it really fell flat was single target DPS, where it was simply worse than the alternatives.

Fur_like_snow

The single target morph is frags. Use liquid lightning and blockade if you want AoE.

Stamsorc crystal weapon is similar to how warden bird can morph either magicka or stamina.

If a new player is playing magsorc they should choose frags. Crystal blast was meme tier Z made the right call.

Xologamer

richi_b wrote: »

Hi there,

Quoted from today‘s patch notes:

###
Crystal Blast (morph): This ability has been reworked into a Stamina morph, and renamed to Crystal Weapon. It is now an instant-cast ability that causes your next Light or Heavy Attack made within 4 seconds to deal additional damage, equal to the standard spammable amount such as Lava Whip or Veiled Strike. Enemies hit by this ability will their armor reduced by up to 1000.
###

Why the hack did you do that? The crystal Blast is the only meaningful attack for single player High Elves sorcerers.
This is the only attack that makes you survive against one AND multiple opponents.
Taking this ability away means you kill the character.

PLEASE roll this back, seriously — this was a really bad idea.

thats the most useless skill that the sorc has xD thx for changing it to something useful

Beardimus

richi_b wrote: »

Hi there,

Quoted from today‘s patch notes:

###
Crystal Blast (morph): This ability has been reworked into a Stamina morph, and renamed to Crystal Weapon. It is now an instant-cast ability that causes your next Light or Heavy Attack made within 4 seconds to deal additional damage, equal to the standard spammable amount such as Lava Whip or Veiled Strike. Enemies hit by this ability will their armor reduced by up to 1000.
###

Why the hack did you do that? The crystal Blast is the only meaningful attack for single player High Elves sorcerers.
This is the only attack that makes you survive against one AND multiple opponents.
Taking this ability away means you kill the character.

PLEASE roll this back, seriously — this was a really bad idea.

Seriously, no one uses Crystal Blast. And it's that morph that's being changed..

It had a use once, with overload as a gank tool..but they killed Overload.

Thus everyone uses Crystal Frags but only when they prpc.
@richi_b are you hard casting Frags? As honnestly that's not cool.

Use AOE from storm calling skill line and Blockade from Destro then a spammable. Or PvP curse, spam, Frag.

MashmalloMan

No, 6 years and It's about time mag sorc lost something from their bloated kit to make way for the other 3 roles in the game. Next up.. stamina damage based ultimate, more relevant healing and tanking morphs and passives. So be ready is all I have to say. Unfortunately, the minority of mag sorcs actually using this morph will have to learn to share and move on. The class kit isn't all about them. Not a single other class is so 1 sided in favour of 1/4 roles.

ZOS has tried to make this awful morph work for 6 years despite frequent cries from ALL sorcs that the skill was a big meh since crystal frags was so much better. I can't help but be defensive because people who only think about their playstyle are the reason ZOS is so hestiant about shaking up the original classes so as to not step on a few players toes, but benefit every othe player as a whole.

/rant

Xvorg

Can you stack crystal weapon with imbue weapons? If yes, then this thread is pointless since blast was the worst skill a sorc could use. I tried to make it work tons of times and I always went back to frags.

Sephyr

The only time I've ever seen someone use Crystal Blast was old Overload builds that no longer work due to how Overload was changed back in the day (when it used to have a third skill bar). I agree with the others, it's about time stamsorc got a better spammable (even though it's slightly clunky).

MashmalloMan

Quoted post has been removed.

Sorry [snip], who are you replying to? I'm assuming me because you already commented on the thread above to OP and you used the word "rant".

If so, let me clarify:

I never ranted about nerfing mag sorc, I said the sorc kit is bloated with magicka DD related morphs and passives. The class as a whole needs a lot of work to support more of the other 3 roles; Stamina DD, Tank and Healer.

Losing an unused morph like Crystal Blast or combining redundtant morphs to make room for completely new ones is exactly how ZOS should proceed to offer more options for the roles when adjusting for better Class Identity. The exact same way they handled Power Surge vs Crit Surge, 2 morphs that did basically the same thing before, now have clearly defined purposes, 1 for powerful self healing via damage and the other for powerful group healing. Everyone benefits from changes like that.

Up on the chopping block imo is Endless Fury vs Mages Wrath, Energy Overload vs Power Overload and Greater Storm Atronach vs Charged Atronach.

[Minor edit to remove name.]

Lord-Otto

richi_b wrote: »

Aertew wrote: »

Lol, run Destruction staff skills, run liquid lightning, that's the only AOE I need. Then run a single target spammable.

Just because I don‘t know how that translates into German:
In which ability tree do I find „liquid lightning“?
What are „destruction staff skills“?
And what is an „AOE“?
What is a single target „spammable“?

Sturmrufer -> Blitzfluss
Zerstörungsstab
Area Of Effect -> Umgebungsschaden
Spammable -> Zumüllbare (Skill, den man möglichst oft benutzen will, ohne besonderes Timing)

Rebiludo

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

martijnlv40

I guess everything has already been said; it was the least used morph of the two, the worst morph of the two and now the stamsorc got something. I see this as an absolute win.
One thing I'd like to add is that this change was first seen 6 weeks!!!!!! ago, so you're a bit late to the party. I believe the feedback was overwhelmingly positive, although it is seen as a bit non creative and it could've been better, it's a step in the right direction anyway.

Rebiludo

Remove various gameplay to offer a spammable to put in place of another ... right direction!

Weapon / Guild / World ability for spammable, Class ability for various gameplay. There everything is said

Xvorg

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg. Curse and deto both proc frags btw.

I still can't see why people tries to justify one of the worst skills in this game. I tried Blast + crit rush on a hybroid sorc build, then discovered Frags + shield charge was much better

the1andonlyskwex

Xvorg wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg.

No, you can't, because the whole point of that setup is that it's AoE.

x48rph

I read most of the comments as "Too bad you were using it, I wasn't so it's ok ZOS deleted it". That's all well and good but just keep that attitude in mind when ZOS comes after something you use that other people think is useless.

JinMori

Yea, this guy has no idea.

This is just, fail.

Blast was a terrible skill, costs too much, cast time, damage wasn't that great for the cast time, aoe was split as far as i know, and clunky overall, i am glad it got changed to a stam spammable skill, now it's actually good.

Xvorg

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg.

No, you can't, because the whole point of that setup is that it's AoE.

Blast AoE was laughable... it was clunky as hell. In any case Sorc has plenty of skills that are AoE, including Shattering prison and streak (both can be combined btw)

the1andonlyskwex

Xvorg wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg.

No, you can't, because the whole point of that setup is that it's AoE.

Blast AoE was laughable... it was clunky as hell. In any case Sorc has plenty of skills that are AoE, including Shattering prison and streak (both can be combined btw)

Crystal Blast did literally twice as much damage as either of those, and cost significantly less than both. It was also ranged. There's no comparison.

Fur_like_snow

Stamsorc deserves more skills from their class kit this has been a change long time coming. What’s done is done and the few players who used crystal blast will have to adjust.

Lord-Otto

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg.

No, you can't, because the whole point of that setup is that it's AoE.

Blast AoE was laughable... it was clunky as hell. In any case Sorc has plenty of skills that are AoE, including Shattering prison and streak (both can be combined btw)

Crystal Blast did literally twice as much damage as either of those, and cost significantly less than both. It was also ranged. There's no comparison.

Elemental Ring.

Athanasia_Nocnitsa

Maybe the skill wasn's used often, but as a casual pve player who doestn't like al the build stuff this was a very nice AOE spell. I used it all the time.
I really hate the fact it changed this much, but sometimes [snip] happens and we just have to deal with it.

But it would be nice of Zos if they would give a free skill respec token if they change big things like this; for any class.
Or just empty all the sorcerer points so I can redo them for free. Now I have points in a skill I will never chose or use and it will cost me money to reset it

[Edited to remove Profanity]

the1andonlyskwex

Lord-Otto wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Rebiludo wrote: »

I loved playing ranged bomber with the Inévitable Détonation + Haunting Curse + C-Blast.
When I saw War maiden up 600 magic damage =>
When I saw C-Blast change =>

Another specific fun build deleted for that all class are the same...

You can do the same with frags putting even more dmg.

No, you can't, because the whole point of that setup is that it's AoE.

Blast AoE was laughable... it was clunky as hell. In any case Sorc has plenty of skills that are AoE, including Shattering prison and streak (both can be combined btw)

Crystal Blast did literally twice as much damage as either of those, and cost significantly less than both. It was also ranged. There's no comparison.

Elemental Ring.

Crystal Blast did twice as much damage as Elemental Ring too, while still costing less.

Vevvev

Reminds me when they took Stone Giant and moved it from a 28 meter high damage magic stun and turned it into a terrible stamina skill. Only this time they actually took a terrible ability that not even my sorcerer dared use and actually made it worthwhile for stamsorcs.

Just use Crystal Fragments OP. Its always been the better morph for Crystal Blast and there are far better AoE abilities out there you can use.