Cyrodiil will continue to be limited to 19 sets until Q3 of 2021. Are you in favor?

Moonsorrow · March 2021

There should be a campaign that has all proc sets enabled.

For obvious reasons this should be the CP campaign.

Playing half a year with a dozen same sets in alliance stack vs another with crosshealing.. laggy fights at Emp keep ring taking 2 hours again because fights not end fast enough. Yeah, will not probably play Cyrodiil at all anymore.

We are getting new CP trees to toy around with, why cannot we theorycraft and do new setups with ALL the gear?

I mean i do enjoy no-procs, but we would need more damage sets on it since with those limited sets it is possible to build more defensive than offensive. Sets favor magsorc that has decent damage & tool kit under these rules compared to others.

So ZOS please, give us a choice to play on either with or without procs.

Without procs for half a year.. all that this will lead to is a forum full of "nerf sorc". Lets not get to that again please?

Plz give me my Vicious Death back.. :pepehands:

CSose · March 2021

NagualV wrote: »

Life lesson: You can never please everyone/people always find something to complain about.....

Someone help me understand(being genuine here).....prior to this "no proc" test, wasnt the meta more or less the same number of sets as 19? Wasnt everyone running around with basically the same sets? So now, there is a "new" set of "meta" sets to choose from.

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months. Maybe I'm biased because I've been running stat sets all along, maybe it's because I'm not as experienced as others on these forums, but I agree with many others on the forums when they say they enjoy the way combat feels during this test.

Lotta cynicism on this post, and I get it, fine, but hey, maybe ZOS fixes the issues lol.....

This change negates all prior investments into DLC's. It's virtually the same as deleting items from our bank that we spent months grinding for.

AuraNebula · March 2021

L_Nici wrote: »

I am in favour yes. The argument of missing diversity is just invalid by the fact that PvP Meta was never more than a few sets. PvP was very fun till now without all that people spamming light attacks and proc you with 3 sets. Its finally Stat and Skill based again like it should be and the only people who are crying are those who got carried by procs since ages and need to learn how to

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

TragedyOA wrote: »

poll???

The official poll is this one: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561928/proc-set-test-vote-for-your-perference

Other polls seem to be getting closed by moderators.

yeah they seemed to have left the most biased poll open. A poll that just so happens to support their idea. They give one option to have the game left the way it is and two options for no proc sets lmao.

LightYagami · March 2021

I'm fine with that. I have eso plus, I have many proc sets, but I enjoy no-proc PvP.

Casul · March 2021

Time for some classic hunding/spriggans for my stamden.

NagualV · March 2021

CSose wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

Life lesson: You can never please everyone/people always find something to complain about.....

Someone help me understand(being genuine here).....prior to this "no proc" test, wasnt the meta more or less the same number of sets as 19? Wasnt everyone running around with basically the same sets? So now, there is a "new" set of "meta" sets to choose from.

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months. Maybe I'm biased because I've been running stat sets all along, maybe it's because I'm not as experienced as others on these forums, but I agree with many others on the forums when they say they enjoy the way combat feels during this test.

Lotta cynicism on this post, and I get it, fine, but hey, maybe ZOS fixes the issues lol.....

This change negates all prior investments into DLC's. It's virtually the same as deleting items from our bank that we spent months grinding for.

I dont understand this argument. DLC sets will continue to be available in battlegrounds. The changes arent permanent.

I fully appreciate the inconvenience of having to get new gear, and the frustration of having to put away sets that may be golded out, etc., but in a game such as this one, changes like that are to be expected, no?

Urzigurumash · March 2021

NagualV wrote: »

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months.

The difference is adapting to the meta every patch is optional, you still had your old sets to run and they would at least do something. Now some people are left with nothing to use whatsoever, unless they want to play at an indisputable disadvantage by running a build of all 2-4 pieces. If that gets fixed this can move forward with a more positive reaction from more players.

Pepegrillos · March 2021

NagualV wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

Life lesson: You can never please everyone/people always find something to complain about.....

Someone help me understand(being genuine here).....prior to this "no proc" test, wasnt the meta more or less the same number of sets as 19? Wasnt everyone running around with basically the same sets? So now, there is a "new" set of "meta" sets to choose from.

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months. Maybe I'm biased because I've been running stat sets all along, maybe it's because I'm not as experienced as others on these forums, but I agree with many others on the forums when they say they enjoy the way combat feels during this test.

Lotta cynicism on this post, and I get it, fine, but hey, maybe ZOS fixes the issues lol.....

This change negates all prior investments into DLC's. It's virtually the same as deleting items from our bank that we spent months grinding for.

I dont understand this argument. DLC sets will continue to be available in battlegrounds. The changes arent permanent.

I fully appreciate the inconvenience of having to get new gear, and the frustration of having to put away sets that may be golded out, etc., but in a game such as this one, changes like that are to be expected, no?

Some people bought DLC's with the exclusive intention of having access to certain gear. Their ultimate aim was to use that gear in cyrodiil. The latest Zos decision as rendered all that null, for the next 7 months.

One thing is being a victim of normal MMO progression changes. Sets and classes get rebalanced all the time. New DLCs and Chapters might bring new items, which in turn can sometimes prompt you to leave old sets and builds behind. All this is to be expected, and is common throughout the MMO genre.

Another thing is having over 90% of the sets of the game disabled (including most of those DLC-related sets) in a core part of the game because someone up there thinks it's acceptable to turn Cyrodiil into a 7 month test 7 years after launch.

NagualV · March 2021

Urzigurumash wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months.

Now some people are left with nothing to use whatsoever, unless they want to play at an indisputable disadvantage by running a build of all 2-4 pieces.

Could you elaborate on this? Do you mean that their old sets are disabled, and they cannot obtain the new sets(from the list of 19)? If this is the case, why cant they obtain sets from the list of 19?

amir412 · March 2021

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

TragedyOA wrote: »

poll???

The official poll is this one: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561928/proc-set-test-vote-for-your-perference

Other polls seem to be getting closed by moderators.

This is not the official poll as it was created before the announcement yesterday and contain out dated data and opinions.

Urzigurumash · March 2021

NagualV wrote: »

]If this is the case, why cant they obtain sets from the list of 19?

Spent all their money on Riekling stuff

Well I did anyhow

geonsocal · March 2021

this whole "testing" stuff from zos seems super disingenuous...

these are changes (much like the no healing outside your group) that "someone" at zos wants...

zos states they are implementing temporary changes to check on performance affects, but, in reality are simply instituting rule set changes someone at zos thinks is fun...

not fun at all though...

CSose · March 2021

NagualV wrote: »

CSose wrote: »

NagualV wrote: »

Life lesson: You can never please everyone/people always find something to complain about.....

Someone help me understand(being genuine here).....prior to this "no proc" test, wasnt the meta more or less the same number of sets as 19? Wasnt everyone running around with basically the same sets? So now, there is a "new" set of "meta" sets to choose from.

To me, it just feels like another "change" where I have to adjust my build for the next few months. Maybe I'm biased because I've been running stat sets all along, maybe it's because I'm not as experienced as others on these forums, but I agree with many others on the forums when they say they enjoy the way combat feels during this test.

Lotta cynicism on this post, and I get it, fine, but hey, maybe ZOS fixes the issues lol.....

This change negates all prior investments into DLC's. It's virtually the same as deleting items from our bank that we spent months grinding for.

I dont understand this argument. DLC sets will continue to be available in battlegrounds. The changes arent permanent.

I fully appreciate the inconvenience of having to get new gear, and the frustration of having to put away sets that may be golded out, etc., but in a game such as this one, changes like that are to be expected, no?

The changes ARE permanent until we are notified otherwise. How would you feel if they implemented the same changes in PvE? (you would feel the same as those of us that PvP is how you would feel)

Saucy_Jack · March 2021

I don't PVP really, but on the plus side, maybe someone'll finally buy the gold shacklebreaker rings I made! Wheeeeeee

Dr_Ganknstein · March 2021

Welp I'm bored already. BG ques are too long.

Urzigurumash · March 2021

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

I don't PVP really, but on the plus side, maybe someone'll finally buy the gold shacklebreaker rings I made! Wheeeeeee

You do layaway?

starkerealm · March 2021

SshadowSscale wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

SshadowSscale wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

I'd prefer it was damage procs and healing procs.

So no crimson, no calurions.

But things like lich, new moon, pariah etc are fine by me.

Lich is absolutely brutal in PvP. It is so much burst, it's not even funny. Stack with NMA, and... yeah, that's the exact kind of environment that got us here in the first place.

Uhm.... do you even have an idea what lich does?..... lich is the set that if you drop below 30precent mag you get 1k mag recent for 10 or 30 seconds and it is a 1 minute cooldown....... so idk where the burst comes from but ok then buddy nuke me with that lich set burst lmao

Yeah, that's exactly what the set does. And, on a sorc, it lets you drop CCs on your target, forcing them to burn their resources, while you still have the mag to snuff them. In the hands of an experienced player, it is nasty.

well I seem to be missing all the people running lich since most sorcs would rather run necropotence

Run both. To be fair, it's not like you can tell if someone's running either Lich or Necropotence, as neither set has a visual cue to let you know, "oh, yeah, that player is running this set," and you can't see their max mag pool.

Dojohoda · March 2021

I am surprised by the decision to continue for 6 months. I have adjusted my magblade build for the extended no-proc Cyrodiil.

Girl_Number8 · March 2021

I bought this instead

YandereGirlfriend · March 2021

L_Nici wrote: »

I am in favour yes. The argument of missing diversity is just invalid by the fact that PvP Meta was never more than a few sets. PvP was very fun till now without all that people spamming light attacks and proc you with 3 sets. Its finally Stat and Skill based again like it should be and the only people who are crying are those who got carried by procs since ages and need to learn how to play the game now.

This is so factually incorrect, it's staggering.

When I am playing in an organized group, there are over 25 different sets represented across 12 players. How is this possible if PvP was simply recycling the same 3 sets across all of the hundreds of players in a given Cyrodiil instance?

Step outside of your CP-enabled resource 1vX'er bubble and realize that there are many people who don't play the game like you. Then understand that you have now robbed them of the gameplay that they enjoy that they and come to the game for.

UntouchableHunter · March 2021

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Keep procs sets in pve land.

I prefer to kill & die from skill, not a proc.

If we have a non proc set campaign and a proc set campaign you can enjoy doing what you want and other players can enjoy doing what they want.

I think it is a better solution for everybody right?

merevie · March 2021

Boycotting DLC.
Boycotting Crown Store
Boycotting Chapter
No, I am not happy.
Don't see any reason to do dungeons.
Don't see any reason to farm ap for Golden
What's the point in logging in if all the pve content is useless in pvp, and that's all you do?
How dare some devel trash thousands of people's gaming experience without consultation?

What is the kicker here is that we will lose large numbers of people from Pvp. 7 months is a team-killer.

Yasha · March 2021

Princessrhaenyra wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Stahlor wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Last few weeks has been the best pvp in ages so this was great news.

15% base mitigation + 5k base health - how do you kill somebody? By spamming dizzy swing and executioner? This will only make people running even more in ball groups and massive zergs.

ISee this is the problem- take away proc sets and you guys have no clue how to play, its pathethic.

No you guys are just forcing your idea of fun into everyone else. This is a lazy fix because some sets are over performing. Not every single set is over preforming, so instead of waiting until a fix can be implemented to fix those certain proc sets, they remove every single set so you can have Cyrodiil turn into a land of xers.

Making a post on a forum is not "forcing" anything on you, lol.

The person I responded to said flat out that he/she does not know how to kill anyone without procsets and also doesn't seem to understand that taking out proc sets has finally made it possible to kill ball groups. In my opinion crying about that is just pathetic and highlights how proc sets have had a detremental effect on pvp and introduced highly toxic gameplay.

Obviously it would be better if some of the less obnoxious sets that aren't really proc sets were available, but the person I quoted is likely running a triple damage proc set up - like caluurion's, zaan, and wrath of elements or some other bs and is crying because they can't just press light attack to kill people.

I am very happy to have a few months of Cyrodiil where we will actually be able to kill ball groups, and people with no skill won't be carried by their fancy OP pve gear. The last few weeks have probably been the best pvp in Cyrodiil ever.

Feaky · March 2021

I hated fighting harbinger tanks and ball groups, so without procs, they are now manageable. That said, the limited amount of sets has really made cyro quite boring. Also, performance seems to have gotten worse over the past several weeks.

Without the double AP, I doubt I will play anymore except to get my tier points.

TequilaFire · March 2021

I can see it now, in a few weeks they will be hollering that Hundings's is too strong.

It actually used to happen back in the day.

Secondsz · March 2021

Give us a proc-enabled campaign.

Why should we have to play a version of cyrodiil we dont enjoy for the next 6 months?

Let us choose how we want to play.

Cyro was more populated because there was double AP, not because proc sets were disabled, you guys really misread the data on this one.

Urzigurumash · March 2021

We need to talk about 2 piece Dro'zakar's

/s

Wolfpaw · March 2021

madrab73 wrote: »

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Keep procs sets in pve land.

I prefer to kill & die from skill, not a proc.

Their change made performance worse. Skills don't work at busy times before they inflict it on us, how will you use them after?

The removal of proc sets didn't increase performance, but it sure isn't the reason performance got worse. We have no idea what ZOS is running in the background during these tests.

A few perks for a no "proc" sets in Cyrodiil,

1. Better/manageable long-term class combat balance with a limited choice of sets to use in PvP.
2. Increased Skill>Proc/gear combat.
3. ZOS could grow the "PvP" set list by releasing balanced PvP sets with content updates.
4. Less time "farming" in PvE land fluff, & more time for PvP.
5. Less impact on PvP combat balance from PvE content updates.

I hope this stays, & ZOS finally begins to find additional ways to distance PvP from PvE.

Stahlor · March 2021

Yasha wrote: »

Princessrhaenyra wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Stahlor wrote: »

Yasha wrote: »

Last few weeks has been the best pvp in ages so this was great news.

15% base mitigation + 5k base health - how do you kill somebody? By spamming dizzy swing and executioner? This will only make people running even more in ball groups and massive zergs.

ISee this is the problem- take away proc sets and you guys have no clue how to play, its pathethic.

No you guys are just forcing your idea of fun into everyone else. This is a lazy fix because some sets are over performing. Not every single set is over preforming, so instead of waiting until a fix can be implemented to fix those certain proc sets, they remove every single set so you can have Cyrodiil turn into a land of xers.

Making a post on a forum is not "forcing" anything on you, lol.

The person I responded to said flat out that he/she does not know how to kill anyone without procsets and also doesn't seem to understand that taking out proc sets has finally made it possible to kill ball groups. In my opinion crying about that is just pathetic and highlights how proc sets have had a detremental effect on pvp and introduced highly toxic gameplay.

Obviously it would be better if some of the less obnoxious sets that aren't really proc sets were available, but the person I quoted is likely running a triple damage proc set up - like caluurion's, zaan, and wrath of elements or some other bs and is crying because they can't just press light attack to kill people.

I am very happy to have a few months of Cyrodiil where we will actually be able to kill ball groups, and people with no skill won't be carried by their fancy OP pve gear. The last few weeks have probably been the best pvp in Cyrodiil ever.

You were not able to kill a ball group of experienced players before and you also won't be able to kill such a group with deactivated proc sets. However, it will be easier to kill a ball group of unexperienced players without proc sets. So I guess, you finally will be proud to be able to kill a bunch of noobs - congrats...

Ahk1lleez · March 2021

The long term health of the game is more important than your being aggravated by their decision to do what needed to be done years ago. Those of you who are complaining about your investment into farming/buying and improving proc sets act as if everyone hadn't done the same. We want more balanced and sensible combat. You want easy wins with relatively little effort. Sorry, not sorry that you've lost your crutches. Threaten to leave ESO all you want or cancel your subscriptions.

Let's be honest here. None of you are upset about it for the reasons you're stating. You're upset that you no longer get free damage for next to no effort at all. The time/gold investment has nothing to do with it. New sets are brought out every patch...it's been that way for years. You were always all about farming the new FOTM sets and you never complained when the sets you used became obsolete before....but suddenly it's now a problem? Miss me with that.

It won't be this small of a selection of sets forever. The best decision they can make now is to rework all pvp sets to be better than any pve set but only allow for them to be used in pvp instances. It might take a while, but that's what makes the most sense.

If you're really so upset by these changes and you just CAN'T play without procs, might I suggest dueling or battlegrounds? I mean...it's not like those sets are prohibited there...