Osi wrote: »

I call BS on your calling BS. I have seen almost no bots. I'm not saying they don't exist, but phasing makes seeing these large groups of bots almost impossible.

Saying you saw 10-20 bots on a single location... No, impossible. Every boss I am able, with a handful of others that by their name and actions do not appear to be bots, get the unique blue drop after 5-10 kills.

Wasn't it you who claimed you hadn't seen Any bots the other day? Which was why i went out and spend 2 hours hitting each dungeon starting in Stonefalls - had just got to Eastmarch when the maintenence hit..

And EVERY dungeon along the way had bots - I posted the video in the 'Why Zenimax needs GMs - with visual" thread.

It is odd that 3 or 4 people continue claiming they don't see any bots, or very few - while the rest of us cannot find a dungeon that is Without them.

There must be some seriously twisted things going on in the routines that decide which instances we get sent into.


Are you saying 10-20 bots on a single locations is impossible? Because I can' post a dozen videos demonstrating that it is not only possible, but happening all over the place.

Matter of fact, just this evening at the Corpse Garden, there were so many bots stacked on top of each other (and I mean Perfectly!) that we were trying to use screenshots when they attacked to catch all their names..
then someone realized they had an Addon that could list them for us.

21 bots, at One boss, all perfectly stacked onto the same spot.

Osi wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Osi wrote: »

I call BS on your calling BS. I have seen almost no bots. I'm not saying they don't exist, but phasing makes seeing these large groups of bots almost impossible.

Prove it. Go to ANY low level dungeon and film you being at a boss with no bots. Until then, you are full of it, sorry.

The burden of proof is on you.

No it's not. It is not possible to prove that every single dungeon has bots. It is possible to prove that one of them doesn't. So the burden of proof is on the one claiming that not all low level dungeons have bots. Because he only has to find one to prove his claim.

For anyone who has not seen the botting this is some footage I took on Sunday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ncPxwwZ_KI

So wait... let me get this straight... first people are all up in arms about not seeing Zeni react and when they "do" show up and ban people they still leave as they can't catch them all in one go ?

You Sir Orignal Poser are a true master.... A stereo-typing one at that. I take it you had a conversation with these bots to figure out they "were"' inface Chinese... otherwise you come across as a true racist...

There's the door.... See you in no other game I hope

Robbiejuve wrote: »

Think about the impact they have, you have to wait an extra 45 seconds (calling BS on 5 mins) for a public dungeon boss respawn, seriously, thats why you quit?

Not sure what you're referring to exactly..
But dungeon bosses don't spawn on a timer at all - if no one is entering the dungeon and progressing to the boss room, there IS no boss.. period.

I have spent more than 20 minutes waiting for a boss, and yes, that was after BOTs slaughtered it before I could get close enough to attack - when it spawned from my entry.

Hey now. No need for that.

Everyone has a breaking point. This is just a game.

They found this aspect annoying. They left the game.

They did not kill your puppy.

Osi wrote: »

Blackwidow wrote: »

Calaban wrote: »

nazgull2k1ub17_ESO wrote: »

THEY ARE CAMPING EVERY BOSS IN EVERY DUNGEON this game has. You cannot find ONE dungeon in this game right now without 10 templar bots in tutorial gear spear spamming the boss. NOT ONE.

This just isn't true.

In fact, I just went through a dungeon in Stormhaven - the name escapes me at the moment - and there were NO bots and barely any players camping the boss. I killed the boss 3x, got a blue, and got out of there.

You're being slightly dramatic, imo.

I call B.S.

At least for 30 and below dungeons there are always bots.

I call BS on your calling BS. I have seen almost no bots. I'm not saying they don't exist, but phasing makes seeing these large groups of bots almost impossible.

Saying you saw 10-20 bots on a single location... No, impossible. Every boss I am able, with a handful of others that by their name and actions do not appear to be bots, get the unique blue drop after 5-10 kills.

I was following a quest last night. Knife Ear grotto. I went in; other players running through no problem. Enemies spawning and going down, no problem. Got to the end of the dungeon and looked around because at that instant there were no enemies. Saw a large ball'o avatars. Golly gee, I wonder where the boss spawns.... uh huh, saw a flash of light like the old style flash bulbs going off from all the templar spears and less than half a second later the body is gone and ball'o avatars is back in "ready" position. I'm going to say there were at least 10; they were standing mostly in the same spot, so it was really hard to tell. They were still wearing tutorial clothes. I went to the kill zone and stood there; I managed to get 1 hit on the boss and apparently did enough damage to get the journal update that I finished the dungeon. Didn't have any shred of hope of being able to do enough to get loot, so I just left. I still don't know what I killed; given the "warning note" at the start, I'll guess I killed some kind of dremora. It didn't last long enough for me to tell.

I did manage to level my character, just managed to get to 27.

If you haven't seen any bots, Congratulations. You have a unique copy of the game or something. You might need glasses, too.

Dmialtar wrote: »

...and low teleport cost

In case you are not aware - teleports are free if you initiate it at a shrine. And there's usually a shrine nearby no matter where you are. So little reason to pay for teleport costs.

Sharee wrote: »

Dmialtar wrote: »

...and low teleport cost

In case you are not aware - teleports are free if you initiate it at a shrine. And there's usually a shrine nearby no matter where you are. So little reason to pay for teleport costs.

I know (2 vet chars), tnx... and use teleport rarely... most of the time I just die and resurrect at the nearest shrine (no need to repair starting gear anyway)
Sometimes its just faster to teleport on guildmate or shrine, rather than running by yourself

htoncic wrote: »

You're right, the GM should have used their clairvoyant powers to ban all those future bots, too.

BTW, can I have your stuff?

Solution is not GM running around, its behavior analyze in the logfile, remember that gold farming bots has no life, as in life in the game.
Nerfing the drops from public dungeon bosses but only enough to make manual farming uneconomical is another.
Now you just has to filter database for accounts who farm bosses 24/7 and ban.
Result they can not farm 24 hours and get far less lot.
However you also need to take down the networks, you need the account who received the gold, now look at all the accounts who gave him gold regularly and ban them. You might want to keep this running a couple of days for maximum effect.
Yes as the bots get more advanced you will need to update the traps.

Slash8915 wrote: »

Calaban wrote: »

nazgull2k1ub17_ESO wrote: »

THEY ARE CAMPING EVERY BOSS IN EVERY DUNGEON this game has. You cannot find ONE dungeon in this game right now without 10 templar bots in tutorial gear spear spamming the boss. NOT ONE.

This just isn't true.

In fact, I just went through a dungeon in Stormhaven - the name escapes me at the moment - and there were NO bots and barely any players camping the boss. I killed the boss 3x, got a blue, and got out of there.

You're being slightly dramatic, imo.

Gotta agree with you. I've been through many dungeons leveling up to VR2, and I haven't seen a single bot in a dungeon. NOT ONE. Lol. I've only seen them standing at wayshrines, personally.

Seen bots in level 5-15 zone then I finished the skyshard hunt, none in higher ones so however i don't farm public dungeons so I only visit them once but none in grathwood then I did the dungeons.

And yes if they only do some selected dungeons it make hunting them easier.

here is a fix the boss in the mini dungeons spawn over and over cause otherwise other players wont be able to do said dungeon right

why not put in a system where you can trow an item at bots wich incurs them to do a gatcha
but there are rules on that

it can only be used on persons spamming the same skill over and over

and it can only be used on those that did not move for more then 5/10 minutes from 1 spot

now when they fail the gacha they get a temp ban for 1 hour
second temp ban is 2 hours
third temp ban 3 hours
and so on
untill its 24 hours
then its a Permanent ban

ofcourse this is only a rule if the person being temp banned got temp banned again within 7 day's of hte initial temp ban
then he gets permanent banned

otherwise it resets back to 1 hour

I concur with most of the sentiments expressed. I have played most mmo's since Ultima Online. In every one there have been hacks and botters. I have to admit that the spam is this game is terrible and has been addressed by some other games much better and I would have expected a new game to have improved the art better than it has. Having said that evidence would suggest that efforts are being made in this regard.

I would also point out that there would be no botters if players did not buy off them. The need that some people have to be at the head of the pack and buy gold to do it beats me but they do.

Hacks and general use of 3rd party programmes is also present. Saw it today a toon move from one poi to the next via a teleport. Would of thought it was a glitch or lag but noticed aaaadfg and moments later ttrrewwww How to get all the shards as lvl1. I was in Cold harbour at the time.

I am with everyone else in the dungeons. 5 bots stood on top of the boss spawn point. One toon firing off a constant basic spell. I can get the completion but no loot and this makes me mad. This is how I combat it. I form a random group in the dungeon at the boss. The group moves away to max range. When the boss pops I chain pull to the group. The bots just stand still we have the boss kill him 4-5 times get loot and soul gems maybe 3 out of the 5 times and move on. Humans can do it smarter so co-operate and it is win win all the time. Just single hit no and and everyone gets reward.

Currently I have never needed more gold. I however would like to do a respec and play with my build a bit and the cost is just way too much. If a free respec was available at 20 and or 40 it would go a long way to solve the need for cash in the game. Rewards and crafting are adequate.

I love this game I can play solo and can group and enjoy the company of my great guild. I can increase the difficulty by changing out armour etc. I think Zen should have put more effort into these issues long ago but am hopeful they will address it asap for all our and ultimately their sake

nazgull2k1ub17_ESO wrote: »

I watched an ACTUAL GM show up today in a dungeon.. suddenly the 10 templars in tutorial gear named AASJDSHF spamming spears were all banned. A bunch of us cheered. FINALLY seeing some real balls out of ZoS GM's..

My wife and I, along with about 4 other people.. got our boss kill the following spawn (about 5 minutes later.)

As we turned to leave the room... 10 more templars in tutorial gear named AHDGCCSS ran in and took position next to the boss spawn.. and sure enough.. instant spear spam the second the boss spawned.

That was when my wife and I cancelled our accounts.

ZoS is getting completely owned by chinese farmer bots.. and the tiny drop in the ocean they just stopped was replaced within 5 minutes. (Bet me it was the SAME farmer who had probably another 30 templars parked outside ready to form spear spam groups.)

Absolutely pathetic.

I've been saying all along that Bans alone would not solve the problem. That it is like playing whack a mole. As soon as you ban one another will show up. People told me I was incorrect and that a few GMs could successfully handle all the botters.

As long as Gold Sellers are making money they will simply create new accounts and keep botting.

Something has to be done programatically, but that is not an easy thing to do. To create a system that makes botting not worth the trouble but does not hurt the legitimate players.

My question is how do the botters know the boss has spawned? If it is a timer thing then randomize the respawn times on bosses. If it is a API call then either change or fix it so that the spawning of an enemy can't be detected.